The PHILOSOPHY thread...because thinking is for free...

[COOLmac©]

my favorite philosophy that someone told me

This is a story about four people named EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY, ANYBODY and NOBODY. There was an important job to be done and EVERYBODY was sure that SOMEBODY would do it. ANYBODY could have done it, but NOBODY did it. SOMEBODY got angry about that because it was EVERYBODY'S job. EVERYBODY thought that ANYBODY could do it but NOBODY realized that EVERYBODY wouldn't do it. It ended up that EVERYBODY blamed SOMEBODY when NOBODY did what ANYBODY could have done!

[MaD_hAND1e]

my favorite philosophy that someone told me

This is a story about four people named EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY, ANYBODY and NOBODY. There was an important job to be done and EVERYBODY was sure that SOMEBODY would do it. ANYBODY could have done it, but NOBODY did it. SOMEBODY got angry about that because it was EVERYBODY'S job. EVERYBODY thought that ANYBODY could do it but NOBODY realized that EVERYBODY wouldn't do it. It ended up that EVERYBODY blamed SOMEBODY when NOBODY did what ANYBODY could have done!

Dude.. this is crazy... even worse than logic and paradoxes.

[COOLmac©]

the moral of that philosophical saying is something like.....don't wait for nobody to do it.....do it yourself if you can

[Null17]

the moral of that philosophical saying is something like.....don't wait for nobody to do it.....do it yourself if you can

you know what? you kind of detroyed it by having to explain it

and it's more of a philosophical statement/quote/saying rather than a philosophy itself...

[COOLmac©]

Message:

A man went to a barbershop to
have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the
barber began to work, they began to have a good
conversation. They talked about so many
things and various subjects. When they eventually
touched on the subject of God, the barber
said: "I don't believe that God exists."
"Why do you say that?" asked the customer.
>
>"Well, you just have to go out in the street to
realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God
exists, would there be so many sick people?
Would there be abandoned children? If God
existed, there would be neither suffering nor
pain. Ican't imagine a loving God who would allow
all of these things." The customer thought for a
moment, but didn't
>respond because he didn't want to start an
argument. The barber finished his job and the
customer left
>the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he
>saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty
hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and
>unkempt.
>
>The customer turned back and entered the
>barber shop again and he said to the
barber: "You know
what? Barbers do not exist."
>
>"How can you say that?" asked the surprised
>barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I
>just worked on you!"
>
>"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't
>exist because if they did, there would be no
people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards,
like that man
>outside."
>
>"Ah, but barbers DO exist! " answered the
>barber. "What happens, is, people do not
>come to me."
>
>"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the
>point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is,
>people don't go to Him and do not look for Him.
That's why there's so much pain and suffering in
the world."

[J@3]

Anyone want to try and count down how long it'll take COOLmac to destroy this thread?

[Null17]

1...0....kaboooommm!!!!

post your opinion instead of just quoting from someone else!

and at least try to make it readable...we're not aliens like you

[COOLmac©]

ok ok.....you two are my tipsters all the time....i wont quote opinions from others no more....
in my opinion.....man's philosophy sometimes suck......everyone has a different say about anything....man cannot agree on one subject by himself and with others..........but there is one philosophy which ca never be argumentable if we are open to it....i won't state it here because i dont want to ruin this thread as Jae forecast......

That's it....that's my case

[The X]

Lets talk about sleeping in a bed; not sex just sleeping.

In all seriousness, how come people are always relunctant to get in and always relunctant to get out.

Thats the only experience I can think of where there is such a contradiction.

perhaps, the act of hopping in one's bed is essentially giving up on another day in a short life....and the act of not wanting to get out of bed in the morning is not willing to accept that you are one day closer to your termination date....

that, or you're just a slack-arse like me who is a master of procrastination and not a morning person


and a little bit of trivia to close my post....whose philosophy was the movie "The Matrix" based on?

[J@3]

and a little bit of trivia to close my post....whose philosophy was the movie "The Matrix" based on?

Probably mine. Those Hollywood bastards are always stealing my stuff

[The X]

^^^ no but close

I'll make it easier even though I know some of you philosophy students know this one....

clue: deceit by an evil demon

that should give it away....

but keep on philosophising

[cyanide]

and a little bit of trivia to close my post....whose philosophy was the movie "The Matrix" based on?

I thought it was based on the Bible?

[Null17]

and a little bit of trivia to close my post....whose philosophy was the movie "The Matrix" based on?

I thought it was based on the Bible?

I think they based it on a lot of stuff actually. including George Orwell's 1984, Akira and other animes. They even got names from different ancient mythologies/religions

[cyanide]

including George Orwell's 1984

Really? That's one of my favorite books of all time, but I haven't seen the movie in ages. I think I'll watch the movie again and look for any parallels with that book.

[Jona]

Anyone want to try and count down how long it'll take COOLmac to destroy this thread?

1...0....kaboooommm!!!!

post your opinion instead of just quoting from someone else!

and at least try to make it readable...we're not aliens like you

Why the fuck is Coolmac in here???

I thought Golden and Sacred and Precious and Shit RULE #1 was that Coolmac was not allowed in here.... PLEASE don't spam on this thread, it is a great idea and a nice way to have fun....

Please....

[COOLmac©]

i'm not spamming, who's spamming?

[Null17]

including George Orwell's 1984

Really? That's one of my favorite books of all time, but I haven't seen the movie in ages. I think I'll watch the movie again and look for any parallels with that book.

check Neo's room number. it's 101. the room where they torture all the people so that they believe what Big Brother's saying. Then there's the whole someone's controlling the world thing. meh, I was bored at work (I'm an intern for summer) so I was looking at some sites and read some Matrix trivia. haven't actually read 1984 I just know the whole Big Brother concept

i'm not spamming, who's spamming?

way to prove Jona's point

and the majority of your posts in the Bible thread is spam. Bible quotes?spam, answering questions that no one asked? spam. and that thread has very little debates even if it has the word "debate" in the title

[COOLmac©]

noone seems to debate with me anymore.......i'm still waiting.....

and to the matrix.....they were using the bible yes.....Jesus was molded for Neo so to speak

[The X]

whilst I'm sure that the Matrix is based on many different sources and there has never been a link to this philosophy....

although when I studied it I noticed the eerily similarities between the 2....

In Descartes' demon hypothesis, he argued that we (humans) are being deceived by a demon (he might have meant God but didn't say it due to the uproar it would have caused in his day). We are essentially pawns in some cruel game that is being played.

If you cross this over to the movie "The Matrix", the evil demon is the robots and we are the pawns (being used as an energy source)....we are running around in a simulated/fake/made-up world for the evil demon's (robots) benefit....


whilst it might not be a completely perfect crossover, this is a key part of the movie....but like many of you said, Matrix is made up from many different sources....

just thought I'd share it as I thought it was interesting when I learnt it and could see the similarities....

either way, keep philosophising

[Null17]

In Descartes' demon hypothesis, he argued that we (humans) are being deceived by a demon (he might have meant God but didn't say it due to the uproar it would have caused in his day). We are essentially pawns in some cruel game that is being played.

actually we studied that in our philosophy class. what he was actually trying to prove was our existence by proving that God also exists. he was saying something that we might not really exist physically since we might bjust be deceived by a greater being. but by being deceived he is sure that we have a mind that is being deceived. then there is the concept that we are imperfect beings since we do not know everything. but since we have a concept of what perfection is there is someone/something who is actually perfect. and that perfect being is God or something similar. and since God is perfect he should be good and that he wouldn't deceive us or something...it goes on and on. he describes everything in a scientific and systematic way which made some other philosopher who I forgot disagree with him since existence is something profound and cannot be contained by logic or something...

man, that just confused me

[COOLmac©]

it confuses me too..what an explaination of that study in your philosophy class......i too have a philosophy subject last year...too bad i didn't get to attend.....the minute my professor(i knew her since college days) saw me and my 3 other friends, she immediately gave us a passing grade not to attend her class........maybe she knew what's to come if i end up there.....i'm a debateful kind of person in real life...and having an MBA course just have me at the edge of my seat now and then.....

i have one question though----------> how is philosophy and logic realated:???

[J@3]

Magic.

As far as the Matrix thing goes, there are so many different ways that movie could be interpreted and translated to kind of fit various texts its amazing. I mean sure the special effects and Keanu's complete downfall since Bill and Ted got all of the media attention, but the story in itself is fantastic. I love the fact that you could almost see the brains of the little teenyboppers who only saw the movies because they wanted to be cool explode in front of you because they didn't know what the fuck was going on I think that's an example of societies pop-culture clouding the mental prowess of the movie. If they had known beforehand that it had a complicated storyline and Colonel Sanders confusing the hell out of everyone they wouldn't have bothered going.

[Null17]

yeah, if it wasn't for the action. no one would probably have watched it. it's too deep for the mainstream audience IMO

[COOLmac©]

i have to owned the DVD's to fully understand it whole....that damn grand architect sequence/scene has got my neuro toxins into abnormal mode......in layman's term....my head hurts....
well here's a good read from a self proclaim matrix writer

NOT A JOKE: My Matrix Story was written in 1989


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All this stuff about theft etc. was bound to come out. The Matrix was very successful and thought provoking but I have to say that there is really little in the film (with regards to the story) that is truly original. The Greeks over 2000 years ago pondered reality as did the French philosopher Descartes several hundred years ago. There have been many films such as Dark City, Existenz and so on which pre-dated the matrix and had similar themes. Just to give you an example heres my own story..

About 14 or so years ago (1989?) I pondered reality as a teenager and started to philosophise about it. I figured that everything I know to be real was arriving at my brain by my senses using electrical signals. Thus, the questions of what is real, what is not , and how would I know the difference came apparent to me. THese things could indeed be simulated! This idea intrigued me so I wrote a short story about it. The story was called Alien Plane.

In a nutshell it's about an ordinary guy working in the software business (yep) that one day witnesses a strange event where space and time seem to be manipulated. He basically sees Deja Vu type phenomena (ala Matrix). Watching what happens from a hidden vantage point he sees the classic Men In Black silencing a witness (that I incorporated from my other interest at the time : UFOs .. yes it is really sad isnt it!). The inevitable happens.. he gets spotted and paid a visit by the MIBs. He ends up on the run with his girlfriend but is helped by a small group of people that claim to know what is going on. The plot thickens a bit here where the reader isn't quite sure whether or not this group are telling the truth. To cut a long story short the MIBs are virtually indestructable and his only option is to covertly follow the MIBs back through a "doorway" to find where they are coming from and perhaps destroy them before they kill him. {There is a lot leading up to this which makes this his only choice} This is now the Matrix moment where Neo wakes up in the pod! Except, I didn't bother with all the fluid and heat exchanger stuff. Our reluctant hero is disorientated and confused as comes around and sees a massive underground labyrinth of pods in a futuristic setting. Eventually he finds his way to a control room (yes - even with loads of monitors showing what is happening in the world he has just come from). He then pieces together that this futuristic underground place is the real world and passing through the "doorway" has awoken him - where as the MIBs had some how been re-absorbed into the simulation (you discover later that they are in fact programs). All sounding a little familiar?

He ends up fighting a load of robots / machines etc. that are running this sim (and maintenance etc.) with people enslaved but finds out that the whole thing had been created by humans and that a council were alive and living quite happily in this real world whilst other humans were enslaved into the system.

He ends up getting caught by the robots and has a one on one with yes you guessed it - The Architect (named exactly as per Matrix) who is head of the council. He then explains more..

Unlike the Matrix movies the humans are not there to keep the boiler water hot or something like that but originally volunteered themselves into the system when the earth above ground was destroyed by a comet impact.

THere is a lot more explanation and justification in the story about why their brains needed to be active, multiple lives - reincarnation etc. to account for time passing, and why it was the 20th century in the sim etc. etc. but too much to go into now!

Up shot is that the Earth has recovered and all is well above ground but the evil councilors want to select who will live in the real world and who won't! The naughty blighters!

Hero escapes and then kills off the councillors.

He then goes looking for the pod with his love (girlfriend) in but can't find it on the system. Nor can he find his family and friends! Finally, though he tracks them down to a remote part of this facility only to discover they are a rack of computers! Yep, you guessed it - they are A.I.s that only exist inside the Sim (Matrix or whatever). Heartbroken and confused he sees no other alternative but to plug himself back in to the system forever.

End of Story

It was never officially published but I still have it and many people read it. It was incomplete in parts too. THere were many other co-incidences between my story and The Matrix.. too many to go into now.

Point of this post is that the Matrix is not original but its not a copy either. They've simply weaved together lots of stuff already out there into 3 interesting movies.

Just for the record I thought that the Matrix Trilogy was brilliant except they need a forth with a twist .. e.g. Matrix in a Matrix, Neo is a program, Smith is actually Human - somehow, Architect is human and alive somewhere in the real world etc. etc.

Nick C

http://www.matrix-explained.com/php/about-the-matrix-movies-2380.html

[Null17]

Just for the record I thought that the Matrix Trilogy was brilliant except they need a forth with a twist .. e.g. Matrix in a Matrix, Neo is a program, Smith is actually Human - somehow, Architect is human and alive somewhere in the real world etc. etc.

kinda like this part. wonder if they could pull it off without confusing the audience even more though