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How long will it take for these animals to take over as the dominant species?

They won't take over if I have have something to say about it (Goes to prepare a really big barbecue;)
4
33%
No more than 20 years as long as the goblins stay away...
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8%
No more than 5 months if we're lucky enough...
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17%
ARRRHHHHHH!!!
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42%
 
Total votes : 12

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:34 am

lol

It's hard to say whether the Belgian Blue is a good thing. What negative consequences can come out of that crossbreeding? What's your opinion on that, Andreas?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:55 am

Well as far as for mankind I suppose it's rather good. When you think about that it can give more meet and stuff like that, but you should also have in consideration that it is not very humane if you do all that stuff just to get a little extra meet. There are many more better ways to get food out to the people that needs it, it may cost a little more but it's a lot better.
So as long as there's an alternative I think anything with getting more food from the animals should not happen. But if it is to make the animal better so that it will help mankind and make it better for the animal itself I'm all for it...

Any thoughts Mr Cyanide? :wink:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:35 am

How does a cross-breed make it better for the animal??
You mean like longer life span, better build and such?? :?:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:40 am

I meen features that makes them more adapted and get's them more fit to survive, like so that they can take care of energy from food more effective, stand more extreme climates, reach farther up in trees for food and stuff like that.

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:51 am

But if they cant reproduce what does it matter how well they survive??

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:57 am

Some can't reproduce. The one I posted on the first post is fully fertile...

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:02 am

But its extremely rare. Plus I dont believe the one pictured above is a recent photo. A mullet like that hasnt been seen since the early 80s. :mrgreen:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:06 am

Andreas Dahl wrote:Well as far as for mankind I suppose it's rather good. When you think about that it can give more meet and stuff like that, but you should also have in consideration that it is not very humane if you do all that stuff just to get a little extra meet. There are many more better ways to get food out to the people that needs it, it may cost a little more but it's a lot better.
So as long as there's an alternative I think anything with getting more food from the animals should not happen. But if it is to make the animal better so that it will help mankind and make it better for the animal itself I'm all for it...

Any thoughts Mr Cyanide? :wink:


Yup, Mr. Dahl! My only concern is that if we provide more meat to a growing population, which is humane, how are we going to control overpopulation when that will exploit and destroy our resources faster than we can grow and extract them?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:59 am

dsigns wrote:But its extremely rare. Plus I dont believe the one pictured above is a recent photo. A mullet like that hasnt been seen since the early 80s. :mrgreen:
I looked it up and as it turns out, the male Ligons are sterile, but it can be otherwise, but it is extrely rare. Although the female Ligon is almost every time fertile. So getting a Li-liger or a Ti-liger is fully possible. And about the date of that picture, It is recent... It was in Sweden larges evening paper yesterday.


And the first Liger was apparently not American nor was it Russian, 'Who then?' you might ask, and the answer is Indian:
Early in the '70s Calcutta Zoo experimented in the area of breeding hybrid big cats.

A female tigon, Rudhrani, was born some time in 1971 and that was followed by Rangini, another female born on March 8th, 1974. Her parentage was that of an Indian tiger and an African lioness. In appearance she was much like a lioness in size and shape, but with a smaller head and jaw. Her coat was brighter and covered in faint stripes.

Rudhrani was then mated with a lion, his name was Debabrata. She subsequently gave birth to seven li-tigons before she died.

About the time Rangini could have been mated, policy on this form of experimentation was beginning to change. Zoo authorities were finally becoming concerned that there was no way of avoiding the sterility issue in males. When the parents of Rudhrani and Rangini died, the opportunity for the zoo to get another tigon was lost, and it was finally accepted that these experiments were leaving the zoo with no gain.

But it was not this alone which halted the breeding. In 1985 the Indian Government released an order forbidding such hybridisation, and after vigorous campaigning by the World Wildlife Fund, Central Zoo authorities also followed this up by placing a ban on these experiments.

The cycle was finally completed when Rangini died some years ago.



You have a good point Mr. Cyanide, although if I'm not misstaken we have that problem as it is not far away now, so it would only speed things ahead five years or so... :wink:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:31 am

It was "Sir", now it's "Mr" :P
How many variations this thing could get? I mena, like in 15 years, crossing a human with a horse or a bull, and you could get those beasts that are in the Greece mythology (Centaurus :P )

Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:45 am

Drex wrote:How many variations this thing could get? I mena, like in 15 years, crossing a human with a horse or a bull, and you could get those beasts that are in the Greece mythology (Centaurus :P )


:shock:

You know, anybody who's looking to make money would do such a thing. :(

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:07 pm

cyanide wrote:
Drex wrote:How many variations this thing could get? I mena, like in 15 years, crossing a human with a horse or a bull, and you could get those beasts that are in the Greece mythology (Centaurus :P )


:shock:

You know, anybody who's looking to make money would do such a thing. :(


:shock: You can go to a farm and screw at horse or bull if you want.

Anyways.... that Liger is really cool, but I don't see why it's so surprising... people have inter breeded dogs and sheep for ages, this is essentially the same thing.

A reputed "humanzee" (human/chimp hybrid) called Oliver was DNA tested and found to be a chimpanzee, albeit one which slightly differed genetically from the more familiar chimps in being bipedal and having a smaller head. Oliver may have been a mutant or represent an unknown species of ape. He did not associate with other chimps in captivity as was sexually attracted to human women instead. This meant he was never bred. There have been persistent rumours of a Chinese humanzee experiment (the rumoured 3 month foetus died when the mother was killed during civil unrest) and of a humanzee or manpanzee experiment in the USA. Another unknown ape (the Koolakamba) has been reported in Africa and claimed to be a Gorilla/Chimp hybrid. Larger, flatter faced, larger skulled and more bipedal than a chimp, it may also be a mutation, in which case we are witnessing evolution in action.


http://members.aol.com/jshartwell/hybrid-mammals.html

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:44 pm

Except tigers and lions aren't domestic animals. Dogs and sheep are. :)

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:47 pm

Jona2112 wrote:Except tigers and lions aren't domestic animals. Dogs and sheep are. :)

so what makes dogs and sheep expendable :?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:49 pm

Was that a question?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:11 pm

lol... has it occurred to anyone... that those dudes standing next to the liger could be the world's shortest men, therefore give the illusion that the Liger is that tall?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:20 pm

those guys with the mullets could have been short good point......but we dont know if those guys are in the 80's. a guy across the street from my office has this crazy mullet and so the poeple in Maximum exposure have mullets.

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:25 pm

this dude could become the size of a Nile crocodile.......any chance pet stores r gonna start having them?......could sure use one of these guys......I can train them to be evil and make them eat all my neighbours :twisted:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:52 pm

I can train them to be evil and make them eat all my neighbours


what an evil plan for a sinister man :D .......... but then again you could buy these pets for i think the whole worth of your life's savings.they would be just plain too expensive

Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:45 pm

I can train them to be evil and make them eat all my neighbours

But what if it turns around and eats you?? :twisted: :P

You can go to a farm and screw at horse or bull if you want.

Yeah, right :lol:

Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:03 pm

MaD_hAND1e wrote:people have inter breeded dogs and sheep for ages


:lol: No they have not, you cant cross breed a species, although half dog half sheep does sound interesting.

Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:47 pm

MaD_hAND1e wrote:lol... has it occurred to anyone... that those dudes standing next to the liger could be the world's shortest men, therefore give the illusion that the Liger is that tall?
Here's one of the most recent pictures of the same animal (Hercules).
Image
Note that his scull is about 5 times larger than the care-taker...

Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:17 am

Andreas Dahl wrote:
MaD_hAND1e wrote:lol... has it occurred to anyone... that those dudes standing next to the liger could be the world's shortest men, therefore give the illusion that the Liger is that tall?
Here's one of the most recent pictures of the same animal (Hercules).
Image
Note that his scull is about 5 times larger than the care-taker...


Wow, they guy has one small head. :shock:

and JºeBuddha, I meant that people have cross breeded dogs and interbred sheep, not dogs breeding with sheep (but it came out wrong in the last post) ..... but anyway... how do you explain sheep-dogs

Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:23 am

they should mix an elephant with a crocodile. now thats an animal i would pay to bang uh i mean see. :wink:

Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:37 am

There's been a news about this "Glowfish" which is a goldfish that glows. I've read about it at Yahoo! News for about a year. I believe it's available at LA.

Anyway, that Liger is humongous!

edit: These Scientists play too much Impossible Creatures.
:shock:
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