Abortion Thread ---->

[Mentally Hilarious]

Because of my present situation, I fell I have a few things to say about it all. And even more now that I've read the thread.

Mods: if it's too old 'a thread too pull up, please don't delete it so I can copypaste the following post. It'll be long and shit

First, on the topic of rape. Just to set a light and happy mood for the rest.

Rape is not, and should never be something that gets blamed on the victim. It's not their fault, no matter how goddamn skimpy they dress. They should not be coerced into dressing in another way just because guys can't get their libido in order. I wont buy it under a-n-y circumstance that your average victim is to blame because of a short skirt.

Rape is one of the most demeaning forms of punishment you can deal on another person. Both in the physical and in the psycological way. Anyone with half-a-brain can go look up extensive reports on how rape often affects the victim more than, say, someone who got the crap beat out of them. Or even more harmful psycological to the victim than of those left behind a murder. The sheer force of the traumatizing effects rape has is incredible. Hence, no choice of garments should be used to explain it. It's just so fucking disrespectful.

As someone who have had people near me experiencing it first-hand, I'm not taking all my arguments from any academic report. Even though I could.

What really bothers me about rape, and the way it's handled in most countries (within the legal system) is that it's not up to the criminal to proove that he didn't rape her. It's up to the victim to proove that he did. Have you any idea how fucked that is? It's turning the base of most legal systems on it's head. And it's generally the way it's handled.
It's up to the woman to convince the judge that she did, infact, not want her clothes ripped to shreds and her most intimate place turned into the local merry-go-round. Pisses me off it does.

It should also be said that it's not general law that every woman claiming to be raped has been raped. Out of the (roughly) 2.000 reported raped in Sweden, approximatly 100 were false accusation. A way to explain adultery, a way to get back at the guy for not loving her and so on. This aswell has been something I experienced, if not myself. My best friend at the time got accused of raping a girl, he didn't and turned himself in. Turns out the girl already had a boyfriend and was trying to get away.
Still doesn't justify rape. In any way, shape or form.

Secondly, the sex.

Every selfadoring fuckhead who's never been in a position where you love someone and wants to have sex seem to have a brilliant suggestion as to how you avoid the pregnancy alltogether. Don't have sex. Sure, a viable point in itself. And very true. And yet doesn't ring well with me.

Sex is a primal instinct. It can be curbed, but not something I want to do. Simply because I like to have sex with the woman I love. It's intimacy like nothing else. Too loose myself in the folds of her loving body and just loose track of time, place and everything is a wonderful experience.

I want to share that with the person I love, and even though it's the perfect way of avoiding pregnancy, it's just not something I'm willing to do.

Maybe not the strongest point in my argumentation, but that's the way I feel.

Thirdly, birth-control

With all your pills, rods, condoms and spirals you should be able to protect yourself, right? Wrong. Dead fucking wrong aswell. None of the above protects you from any unwanted pregnancies to a 100% And in my case, pills, seemed to be fool-proof. But they might just not be.

For those who have read my thread will surely feel all smart and shit when you point out that we had sex one day after she stopped on the pill. Unfortunatly... the pills she was on is supposed to be offering protection to the 99.5% 24h after the last pill was taken. And 48h after it should be around 89%. So it's quite a good protective. (this information taken from a nurse that I work with)

You can protect the hell out of your penis/vagina, without reacing 100% certainty that you'll be safe. So even with protection you're at risk.

Fourth, the abortion-bit(the few of you that bothered this far, this is the part that actually is the real part)

The core of this question to me, regarding to where I stand, is the question of what abortion really is.

Is it murder when you do it so early that no nerves is developed (iow a lump of cells)? Not in my mind, I don't know if I'm really unsensitive about this. But since it's my own standpoint - I can be all I want.
I equal it to... cutting away your appendix, getting rid of a growth, removing a cyst (I don't know the proper word for this please enlighten me). It's removing a lump of cells that has no purpose yet.

Is it invasion of a womans body? H-e-l-l y-e-s! No doubt about it. For those of you that know what a "normal" abortion means can have no other opinion. They shove up a vacuumcleaner in her pussy (to be blunt), that's not nice! At all!

Does that mean that it's her choice? Yes. Exclusivly the womans choice. Had it been us (as in men) you would have felt the same thing. No-one here would want a vacuum-cleaner up your ass unless it was your choice. Why should anyone reserve the right to decide which types of medical equipment gets shoved where into another grown persons body? Doesn't make sense to me. Might be my notion of "freedom of will".

An unwanted baby is not something the world gets better by. Rather the opposite. We're enough people as it is, we sure as hell doesn't need more in it, aspecially those that aren't wanted from the beginning.

And regarding adoption that some seem to carry as an important factor. How about all those children stuck without parents in the third world? Why not adopt one of those, if you want to adopt? And there's unwanted babies enough to go around every person on every adoptionlist in the whole world. Instead of forcing someone to have a baby that they don't want, just to please some unfirtile bugger, let's make sure that the ones that are already here gets the chance of a decent life.

It's not as if the woman doesn't suffer permanent, and lifealtering changes if the baby is born. Their bodies change ...alot. Not something I want to force upon someone else unwillingly.

[COOLmac©]

I'm pro choice, it's up to the girl and guy....it doesn't really bother me if someone aborts as long as it's well-thought through and is in the 1st trimester....

I do not agree with 2nd trimester abortions unless it's for medical reasons (ie. the expectant mother might die or have serious health complications if pregnancy continues)....

I also think abortion is the correct option in cases when the baby will be born with down syndrome and other serious medical problems....I would not want to burden a human being with that from their inception....

all that being said, I think if I knocked a girl up, regardless of my circumstances at the time, I would not want the baby to be aborted (unless the baby had medical problems ie. down syndrome etc)....the baby is an extension of myself genetically and I just wouldn't want to do it....and if a girl decided to abort against my wishes I would imagine that it would probably crush me, more so if I wasn't consulted about it....

that's my 2 cents worth....

i think doing it in as early as the trimester or the 3rd month is still okay since it is a form of birth control, poeple have been doing it for eternity my guess. hell the BIG X is right. if the child will be let to live by parents incpable of his upbringing then all hell is about to break loose.
anyways i have my fucked up probs now about pregnancy and stuff. so dont ask

[Jona]

WTF Coolmac!!
Is she pregnant!!!???

[COOLmac©]

my guess is yeah!!!!
and i'm retarded still to be a POP

[End Boss]

I'd weigh into this debate in a sensible and civilized manner, but my ritalin hasn't kicked in yet so I'm just gonna go ahead and say what everyone is thinking: killing babies is fun.

[Jona]

That's a good contribution.

[Riot]

I think abortions are stupid. It's one thing to kill a criminal but it's another thing to kill a little child.

[Donatello]

My ex-girlfriend (ex-fiancee actually) had an abortion behind my back.


I didn't speak or eat for almost a week.


That being said, I am very numb on the subject. I really think it's okay as long as it is EARLY TERM and both parents agree to it (barring any serious health concerns of course).

She didn't want that baby, but I sure as hell would have taken him and given him the best life I could. So often people forget that, while the baby is living inside of the mother's womb, it's still part of the father.

[COOLmac©]

very well said donatello. i would be pretty fucked up mad too if that happens to me.
i mean a guy and a girl get involved in an act together, then why does only one have the say? it must be both parties.
i'm glad my present girl is open to me most of the time.

I really think it's okay as long as it is EARLY TERM and both parents agree to it

i agree to this too.

[cyanide]

Excellent post, Habbakuk, that was well said.. to the point where I agree with everything you said... but something bothers me: if you're going to remove a little cyst that could've been your first child, doesn't it kind of makes you feel a little guilty?

CoolMac: before you found out your gf is pregnant, what was your position on the whole abortion thing?

Damn, sorry about you guys getting all worried and freaked out when you're at the stage where you're not ready to have kids

[COOLmac©]

i still havent found out that if she is preggy and all

to serious notes. well my first stand is the same as my stand now. i mean i heard it all the time during cofee talks that guys do agree that having "early abortion" after the lapse period is okay. with our fucked up economy and all, i do strongly believe that it is part of the family planning scheme. in these days or time it is not advisable to have about 8-12 children. so i do believe in my opinion married couples do try these too. the prob is some girls are very biologically unstable. i have known girls that can go on 5 months without a period etc. so i'm still not fully aware of my current situation. it helps by not yet taking the preggy test.
but you are right. if ever i know my child will be aborted, i will feel guilty and miserable. i might as well do severe penance after that.

[The Game]

With all your pills, rods, condoms and spirals you should be able to protect yourself, right? Wrong. Dead fucking wrong aswell. None of the above protects you from any unwanted pregnancies to a 100% And in my case, pills, seemed to be fool-proof. But they might just not be.

For those who have read my thread will surely feel all smart and shit when you point out that we had sex one day after she stopped on the pill. Unfortunatly... the pills she was on is supposed to be offering protection to the 99.5% 24h after the last pill was taken. And 48h after it should be around 89%. So it's quite a good protective. (this information taken from a nurse that I work with)

You can protect the hell out of your penis/vagina, without reacing 100% certainty that you'll be safe. So even with protection you're at risk.

A combination of birth control methods can give you 100% safety.
Ex. Basal Body Temperature, Cervical mucus method and calendar method. Combine these 3 techniques and your set for the night.

As for the topic at hand.

It should be legal, but there should be a time period that a person would be able to abort it.

Ie' before it develops into something that resembles a human.

[COOLmac©]

^^^i seem to have read you have probs with the gf being late there too Game? how old are you now?

[The Game]

Im turning 19 in a few months.

[Old School Fool]

Im turning 19 in a few months.

I'm turning 15 this fall, but who the hell cares? What does this have to do with Abortions?

[The Game]

Only a stupid mindless idiot would post meaningless shit without reading previous posts.

[Riot]

What a stupid and retarded post by Old School Fool.

And then again, this post right here is stupid and retarded.

[Old School Fool]

Why the hell you being so harsh?

Man..

[The Game]

What a stupid and retarded post by Old School Fool.

What else is new?

Why the hell you being so harsh?

Why the hell you being so stupid?

[COOLmac©]

man that really is a prob Game. hope things work out soon for you.
a good communication must be well between you and your gf man. take some notes here if you ever consider abortion or family planning of some sort.goodluck

[Jackal_]

Um for the virgins in here I think I speak for a lot of people when I say don't have an opinion on abortions until you're atleast sexually active.

I personally think abortions are okay, not really the type of thing you want done but sometimes you have to. Try having your girlfriend telling you that she hasn't had her period in a while.. try having her tell you she's pregnant.. then I'll see how many of you kids will have your "NO ABORTION" rule. Yes, it's morally wrong but lots of things are morally wrong that we do everyday.. so until you have had a "scare" please dont make judgements just because you saw some bitch on Dr.Phil saying "ABORTIONS ARE EVIL!".

[COOLmac©]

could've have said it better myself

[Jackal_]

:applaud:
could've have said it better myself

You mean couldn't right? lol

[COOLmac©]

yeah mr.dictionary. twas i typo okay it was a frigin mistake
but your points on all here is really valid to my opinion.
except the Virgin part....
dont you know that wanking is consider a lost of virginity
nah just a joke

anyways lets talk about the failed abortions and the effects on human lives it brings

[The Game]

man that really is a prob Game. hope things work out soon for you.
a good communication must be well between you and your gf man. take some notes here if you ever consider abortion or family planning of some sort.goodluck

Communication is not the problem between us.

I am not considering abortion at all.

As for family planning, being a student nurse im very knowledgeable about it but i have realized that having more than adequate knowledge is not enough. Things just happen.