It's Official -- No WMDs

Lets just lock them all in a glass box and throw rocks at it. That's what I'd do to everyone who doesn't live in an English speaking country.

Racism rox

Yeah that makes everything "official" then.

Bush doesn't know what the hell he's doing

And you do?

no, but I'm not in the position of needing to know what to do. Truth is that Bush pressured Congress to allow him to go to Iraq and his facts were also a result of pressuring the CIA of coming up with evidence of WMD.

Kofi Anan (sp?) 2 weeks ago declared the war illegal, that's a sign that Bush shouldn't be in power. In my opinion he went to Iraq to oust Hussein because his father didn't get the job done.

I'd vote for Kerry if I was in the USA. His policy is a little shaky but I don't think he'd go into Iraq the way Bush did (at least that's what he says). Didn't Powell say that under Kerry the US would get attacked again (this was strongly implied) and yet under Bush 9/11 happened even though it could have been prevented (read the 9/11 commission report)

Here, I'm going to vote for Labor. I can't stand a Prime Minister that is an ass kisser like john howard. He also says that he plans on spending the budget surplus has, that's a bad move economically. Latham at least is offering lower income families help and under his reign University costs will not go up by 25%. I'm not sure about his stance on the war on terror, but both Bush and Howard claim like they care the ONLY ones fit to fight the war.

All the politicians are tools. No weapons of mass destruction all over the news. I was going to get my name ticked off this weekend and write on the ballot "fuck you all"... but that will simply take too much of my valuable time. I have to do some work so I can finish my degree and get my self a job, because fuck, if I don't get in soon I'll never be able to afford a house. On top of that, petrol prices expected to hit $1.20au next week. Just fucking great.

All the politicians are tools.

Never truer words spoken

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^double "doh!"

do us a favor...and stop posting.

Politcs? What a waste of time

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Seeing its none of my business to have an opinion on american politics, ill just reply to matts post:

I can't stand a Prime Minister that is an ass kisser like john howard. He also says that he plans on spending the budget surplus has, that's a bad move economically. Latham at least is offering lower income families help and under his reign University costs will not go up by 25%. I'm not sure about his stance on the war on terror, but both Bush and Howard claim like they care the ONLY ones fit to fight the war.

Mark Latham contradicts himself regarding university fee's. He criticises the $100 000 uni fee courses, but when Johny says that they are only for non australian citizens, he says he'd do the same thing. As for the surplus, how do you think it got there? With good economic management.. The Howard government wont waste it. Labour has a track record of just throwing money into policies and ruining the economy. And Johnny has never said he is the only fit to fight this war on terror, but when labour says they wont do any pre emptive strikes to prevent attacks on australia, that has me worried. So in a nutshell:
Liberal seems to have common sense
Labour seems to have none.

Seeing its none of my business to have an opinion on american politics, ill just reply to matts post:

That's not what I said and not what I meant. I wasn't even directing it at you, just listing you as one of the people who participate in these threads.

As for the surplus, how do you think it got there? With good economic management.. The Howard government wont waste it. Labour has a track record of just throwing money into policies and ruining the economy.

this is a bit mis-leading, politicians don't really have THAT much power over the economy. If anything they tend to stop it from reaching a peak because of inteferences with other politics

That's not what I said and not what I meant. I wasn't even directing it at you, just listing you as one of the people who participate in these threads.

Ah but when I do make a comment involving american politics its followed with:

Lol point made Matthew, now go follow up your political opinions and vote for George Bush.

Oh wait, you can't

Or

Foreign country, foreign elections, foreign government... the only way it affects our respective countries is if we get pulled into these little crusades by dumbasses from Texas or that other guy who looks like a donkey (if elected).

Now to a more sensible discussion:

this is a bit mis-leading, politicians don't really have THAT much power over the economy. If anything they tend to stop it from reaching a peak because of inteferences with other politics

They do have alot of control over the economy Matt. If they overspend on the budget, either taxes go up (which means less expandable to cash, so less things are purchased, which means less jobs which means less production which hurts the economy) or we have to borrow money from other countries, which if we borrow alot, our dollar also goes down becuase its in less demand, which also effects the economy. I find it hard to believe its just a coincidence that everytime labour is in government, the economy struggles and interest rates go through the roof.

That's not what I said and not what I meant. I wasn't even directing it at you, just listing you as one of the people who participate in these threads.

Ah but when I do make a comment involving american politics its followed with:

Lol point made Matthew, now go follow up your political opinions and vote for George Bush.

Oh wait, you can't

Lol that wasn't a reply to something you said involving American politics, nice job taking it completely out of context. It was a reply to a smart ass remark you made about me commenting on foreign economics...

Foreign country, foreign elections, foreign government... the only way it affects our respective countries is if we get pulled into these little crusades by dumbasses from Texas or that other guy who looks like a donkey (if elected).

You're proving me right. That doesn't say anything about it being none of our business, it says the only way it affects our respective countries if because we get involved in these conflicts on behalf of other nations... so essentially i'm saying that it is our business... funny that huh.

This is all pointless, you've misunderstood the point I was trying to make and it's just heading in a stupid direction. Lets just get back to the "sensible" discussion, i.e er... what the thread was originally about.

May I ask why?

I think we need a break from Bush, he's had his chance, I doubt Kerry could do any better/worse. If it's supposed to be, Bush will win.

I'm for the war but against the costs, it's costing the US too much money. I like Bush fighting terrorism but not at US tax payers cost.

Bush can after Kerry has served his four years & resume the fight. I just think they need a break.

Hmm.. You want to see Kerry in becuase Bush has had a term? I can see what you're saying, I just dont agree with it.

I'm for the war but against the costs, it's costing the US too much money. I like Bush fighting terrorism but not at US tax payers cost.

But didn't they get a tax cut under Bush? This war may have cost the u.s. money... But Saddam is gone, so it's worth it imo. Each to their own I guess..

will people stop bringing up the number of civilian deaths? What about the death rates while saddam was in power?

this is a bit mis-leading, politicians don't really have THAT much power over the economy. If anything they tend to stop it from reaching a peak because of inteferences with other politics

They do have alot of control over the economy Matt. If they overspend on the budget, either taxes go up (which means less expandable to cash, so less things are purchased, which means less jobs which means less production which hurts the economy) or we have to borrow money from other countries, which if we borrow alot, our dollar also goes down becuase its in less demand, which also effects the economy. I find it hard to believe its just a coincidence that everytime labour is in government, the economy struggles and interest rates go through the roof.

Perhaps, I'm not too sure on Australian politics.

To elaborate more, when a Gov says "under the [insert name here] gove we created 100,000 full time jobs". Things like this are often misleading as the economy itself creates jobs. Sure the government does create jobs but never as much as they claim. Their claims are comparing the UE rate of now as opposed to before getting elected.

There are other examples that I'll try to find, but your right about overspending the budget. Whomever is elected should be careful of how they manage the surplus

Whomever is elected should be careful of how they manage the surplus

Absolutely, especially when you consider this is an aging population. But what it comes down to is who is better with the economy? Simon Cream would make Homor look like a genius if he posted at nlsc, but Peter Costello has done a very good job the last 7 or 8 years..

Jackal, nothing has been proven yet. One report doesnt mean much... there were countless reports before the war telling George Bush that there were wmd's (which i still believe are there, how easy would it be for them to hid them, considering they hid sadaam for 20 + years?)

Just to make it clear, I don't want Bush to win, I want Kerry to win,

May I ask why?

Tell me why you still believe that Sadaam has WMD's. Hell, George W. Bush has already admitted yesterday that they were non-existent.

He's also getting his ass handed to him in this second debate currently going on.

Why do I want Kerry to win? Well, I live in Massachusetts, the exact same state he represents on Senate. I've grown up with him, and I would trust him as the Commander in Chief of my country.

I'll admit it, it's more about me not wanting Bush to win, rather than wanting Kerry to. But really, what's wrong with me being uncomfortable with having a president who can't pronounce four-syllable words? Is it so wrong that I'm embarassed when I hear him say in this current debate, "Rumors on the Internets..."? Yeah, I hate Bush. And I have my reasons.

i knew it all along what does iraq got to do with 9/11. to me the war with iraq was a personal beef between the saddam and the bush family.

No, it's because Saddam Hussein was violating human rights & causing too much pain & suffering.

It's not because of personal beef, he's not that gangsta.

Tell me why you still believe that Sadaam has WMD's

Sadaam Hid in a hole for 20 years, how hard would it be to hide wmd's?

He's also getting his ass handed to him in this second debate currently going on.

Lol, i saw those debates.. Just becuase a candidate is a better public speaker and is better at backflipping doesn't mean he is winning.

I've grown up with him, and I would trust him as the Commander in Chief of my country.

I wouldn't. I really wouldnt be suprised if Kerry discovers that there are members of HAMAS in the usa, and promises them unlimted supllies if he gets voted in.

But really, what's wrong with me being uncomfortable with having a president who can't pronounce four-syllable words?

I bet you felt alot different for good ol' Bill Clinton..

Read it.

Comment.

You didn't read the actual report. Or else you'd see the Duelfer Report says Saddam had the means to create WMDs and would start once sanctions were lifted (and the Duelfer Report says they would've collapsed (since the U.N., France, Russia and China were all doing illegal dealings with Saddam) if not for the Bush Administration's pushing), and that Charles Duelfer himself suspects they were shipped to Syria like all the Iraqi scientists were (who Syria is trying to pawn off to Iran now).

Also, as much as Vice-President Dick wants to believe so, Saddam Hussein had no connection to 9/11.

No one in the administration has ever contended this. Saddam had connections to Al Qaeda, that has been proven. Saddam attacked the U.S. at least three times on U.S. soil, what's not to believe he had a hand in 9/11? Especially since his state-run papers spoke of attacks on the Pentagon, White House and WTC in the summer of 2001.

So, no WMDs. No connection to 9/11. Oh, and over 12,000 Iraqi civilians dead. I don't think I can take four more years of this.

9/11 has happened. The entire world says Saddam Hussein possess WMDs (when in reality he shipped them out or at least had the means to produce them) including the U.N., French, Russian, Jordianian, Egyptian and British Intelligence. Saddam Hussein has ties to al Qaeda. If he is not removed from power after 9/11, it would be a dereliction of duty for the commander in chief.

So, three invasions of neighboring nations. Connections to terrorism. WMD programs and a history of past use. Oh, and over a million Iraqi's dead. You could take another 20 years of that?

It just makes me mad that he's sending soo many people, mostly young kids our (at least my) age to die for a link to 9-11 that is false and WMDs that don't exist? I mean, it isn't the troops' fault that Bush has to do what his daddy couldn't do 10 years ago... I guess this was all just unfinished business and about the oil. I'm sooo glad I'm 18 so I can vote for Kerry. It doesn't really matter here in California because Kerry's gonna win here, but it's still important to vote.

Good thing your vote really doesn't matter if you believe all that.

isn't it also interesting that 850 US soldiers died after the intense violence was announced to have been stopped in April?

Bush doesn't know what the hell he's doing

Um, no. The milestone people make a big deal out of is the so many that died after the major operations were declared over. And they were, the Hussein regime had been toppled. That's the end of the planned major operations.

At first it was speculated that Saddam was harbouring Osama, after it was researched and proved he had no connections with Osama, that theory went out the window.

No, it wasn't. It's been proven that Saddam had tons of connections with al Qaeda. Iraq offered safe-haven to Osama at least five times between 1998 and 2002. It was never persued but others like Abu Musab al Zarqawi did head to Iraq after the Taliban was sacked.

Alrgiht, now that he didn't have connections to Osama, should he have left Iraq?

He did have connections to al Qaeda.

Truth is that Bush pressured Congress to allow him to go to Iraq

That's not true. Bush had recieved authorization from Congress after 9/11 to do whatever he wanted to do in terms of military use. He then went back a second time, even though it wasn't required, to get a second resolution just for Iraq.

and his facts were also a result of pressuring the CIA of coming up with evidence of WMD.

No, it isn't. If what you claim is true, then the pressure was so great, it also somehow went back in time and made the Clinton Administration believe the same thing. It somehow made French, Russian, British, Jordianian and Egyptian Intelligence believe the same thing. It somehow made the U.N. believe the same thing. And it also somehow made Saddam believe the same thing.

Kofi Anan (sp?) 2 weeks ago declared the war illegal, that's a sign that Bush shouldn't be in power.

No, it isn't. It's a sign Kofi Annan is just a fucking jackass who needs a good ass-whupping. The cease fire was violated by Saddam, the United States was in a state of war with Iraq since 1992. Just because Annan and the rest of the UN was getting kickbacks from Saddam, and despises Bush shaking up the status quo doesn't make the war illegal.

If Annan really thinks it's illegal then he should try and put sanctions on the United States. Kick us out of the UN.

In my opinion he went to Iraq to oust Hussein because his father didn't get the job done.

In my opinion, you're a fucking moron who doesn't know history.

His policy is a little shaky but I don't think he'd go into Iraq the way Bush did (at least that's what he says).

He would've left Saddam in power.

Didn't Powell say that under Kerry the US would get attacked again (this was strongly implied) and yet under Bush 9/11 happened even though it could have been prevented (read the 9/11 commission report)

Good god, you're just so un-informed. Cheney said that if Kerry was President and we were attacked we wouldn't go after terrorists the right way. And we wouldn't Kerry has already admitted that.

The 9/11 Commission Report says nothing about Bush being able to stop 9/11. Bush was in office eight months and had his people in office for three months. Clinton was in office for EIGHT YEARS and did nothing despite plenty of terrorist attacks against the United States.

No one could've prevented 9/11. George Tenet was right (maybe his only time) when he told that very commission: "they were at war with us, we weren't at war with them."

I think we need a break from Bush, he's had his chance, I doubt Kerry could do any better/worse. If it's supposed to be, Bush will win.

Kerry has vowed to lose The War. We cannot afford that.

I'm for the war but against the costs, it's costing the US too much money. I like Bush fighting terrorism but not at US tax payers cost.

Then you're against the war. We are fighting for our survival. No matter what the cost, we must continue.

Why do I want Kerry to win? Well, I live in Massachusetts, the exact same state he represents on Senate. I've grown up with him, and I would trust him as the Commander in Chief of my country.

And he's done nothing in twenty years. He should not be Commander in Chief. He would lead us to ruin.

Sadaam Hid in a hole for 20 years, how hard would it be to hide wmd's?

No, he didn't. He hid in a hole for eight months. He did however hide Iraq's entire air force in the desert.

Now, for Homer. Who I told Jackal on MSN, to "slit his fucking throat."

I attacked and took over two countries.

So did FDR. Remember World War II? Same thing.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.

No, he didn't. The Treasury is not bankrupt. And we had a recession that started in early 2000 (prior to Bush took office...but this WAS NOT CLINTON'S FAULT...it was just the ebb and flow of economies), followed by 9/11. Those kind of things harm the economy.

I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.

No, he didn't. Our deficits have not topped the 17th highest ever.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 2-month period.

Again, recession.

I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

Actually, no he didn't. The stock market has fallen plenty of times much farther. The stock market fall during Bush's term was actually surprising in how little it dropped due to the recession and 9/11.

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

Actually, no.

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

He had a DUI thirty years prior. *petty* At least he was just drinking and driving instead of consorting with the enemy in Paris. *petty*

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

Actually, he didn't. Also, we have to consider he's still President and still on the job no matter what.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

He only took a few weeks off, but yes to the second. Not his fault though.

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.

That was Clinton.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

Recession. Nearly 2 million new jobs in the last year, four million net jobs since taking office.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

Actually, he didn't. Also, consider that's Congress' job.

I set the all-time record for the most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Recession. Ironically, home ownership is at an all-time high now.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.

What's wrong with that? Especially considering since they aren't exactly fair.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.

Um. That's impossible. The person who made this list doesn't understand how the government works. He hasn't amended the Constitution once.

And Clinton holds the record for executive orders. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

He's not Jimmy Carter.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Um. That's wrong too. Gas prices are still lower than the highest point they reached in the 90s when the supply also had problems. And he can't use the reserves because Democrats won't pass any of the energy bills. We won't mention that John Kerry proposed a 50 cent a gallon gas tax increase.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

Nope.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

Because people are stupider than ever, and would rather oppose America than an Isalmofascist doesn't mean anything.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

He dissolved the ABM treaty, because none of the parties existed anymore. Other than that...which ones?

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

Maybe you missed the time period of 1868-1932? And then 1963-1973?

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

No, she doesn't. It wound up being named something else.

Ironically, Bush/Cheney is poor compared to Kerry/Edwards. Bush/Cheney is worth about $50 million, while Kerry/Edwards is worth some $1.2 billion.

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

Not one state went bankrupt. This person still doesn't understand how the government works.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

Enron? Bush didn't preside over Enron. Enron made it's money during the bubble of the 90s (which is why it popped, since there was nothing under it) it was just found out during Bush's term. And they were prosecuted big time.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

Ha! That's such a lie. France? Germany? Japan? Italy? We attacked and occupied all them bad boys. Don't forget we attacked the Balkins during the 90s against the will of the UN!

And really, do we really care what the UN, which is 60% dictators, which was getting kick backs from Saddam, which doesn't want to enforce it's own resolutions, thinks?

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Well, that one is true. But I doubt anyone can stop it short of killing their political career.

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history.

Well, no. That would be FDR.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Yeah, that sham. Not only were we removed prior to 2002. But Libya was the chair at the time, and Cuba, China and Syria sat on it (and still do!). We were promptly placed back on it.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

Good. They shouldn't get to monitor our elections.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

I bet he did that when he passed executive orders admending the Constitution huh? Idiot.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

They did that years ago. Remember the Balkins? Somalia? Rwanda? The Sudan?

Not following up on their threats certainly helped.

I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

International Criminal Court. Get it right kiddo.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

No. They aren't prisoners of war. Thus, we don't have to allow anyone to see them.

Even though we have.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

Good.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

I bet Kerry beat that this year!

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Bet those checks bounced huh?

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

Again, confused with Clinton. Who polled to see where to go on vacation.

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

Um, no. The secret service did their job in taking the President to safe locations.

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Heh. A SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT!

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

Oh, come on. We didn't have the world's sympathy. They hated us before and after.

Infact the much touted "Le Monde" headline of "We Are All Americans" in the article that held that title, the writer said the US deserved it.

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Good. Stability sucks ass.

I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Again, not Bush's fault they're morons that think they can get along with dictators.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Really? That's interesting.

I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

I betcha the "record" was 1 and he appointed "2."

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

Now, that's a crock of shit! First of all it dishonors John Adams! Second of all, it hasn't happened.

In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.

Oh yeah, sure. This country was tearing itself apart in the 1960s and 1970s.

We'll ignore that in the 2000 election it was 50-50 and now it's 50-50. (More or less)

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Actually, he didn't. He entered office with a weak economy that was headed towards recession. Do notice that after his tax cuts passed, every economic indicator has turned up, up, up, and away!

Anyway, I'm done. It's been fun hanging around with you echo-chambered scumbags. Good luck with eroding society and such kiddos!

um... even though I don't really care, nor deny any of the claims you just made but it'd probably make Homer look dumber if you gave evidence as opposed to "Actually, he didn't"... just for arguments sake.

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Kofi Anan (sp?) 2 weeks ago declared the war illegal, that's a sign that Bush shouldn't be in power.

No, it isn't. It's a sign Kofi Annan is just a fucking jackass who needs a good ass-whupping. The cease fire was violated by Saddam, the United States was in a state of war with Iraq since 1992. Just because Annan and the rest of the UN was getting kickbacks from Saddam, and despises Bush shaking up the status quo doesn't make the war illegal.

fact remains, the war was ILLEGAL

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In my opinion he went to Iraq to oust Hussein because his father didn't get the job done.

In my opinion, you're a fucking moron who doesn't know history.

haha, funny. So do tell me did Bush go after Saddam ILLEGALLY, poor daddy couldn't get the job done so son wanted to make his daddy proud

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Didn't Powell say that under Kerry the US would get attacked again (this was strongly implied) and yet under Bush 9/11 happened even though it could have been prevented (read the 9/11 commission report)

Good god, you're just so un-informed. Cheney said that if Kerry was President and we were attacked we wouldn't go after terrorists the right way. And we wouldn't Kerry has already admitted that.

The 9/11 Commission Report says nothing about Bush being able to stop 9/11. Bush was in office eight months and had his people in office for three months. Clinton was in office for EIGHT YEARS and did nothing despite plenty of terrorist attacks against the United States.

No one could've prevented 9/11. George Tenet was right (maybe his only time) when he told that very commission: "they were at war with us, we weren't at war with them."

exactly, Kerry would have approached this differently. The invasion of Iraq was rushed, there was no preparation and what has that gotten us. Oooh, we captured Hussein, never mind the fact that thousands of people had to die because of the rushed job

Also, there were at least a few chances on 9/11 to prevent the attackers from boarding those planes so yes, 9/11 could have been avoided

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I think we need a break from Bush, he's had his chance, I doubt Kerry could do any better/worse. If it's supposed to be, Bush will win.

Kerry has vowed to lose The War. We cannot afford that.

hahah, Bush will not win the war, everyday the hate for America increases and more extremists are born, and these extremists are excited about the opportunity for blowing themselves up and killing Americans. Terrorism will most likely prevail, no matter how hard you try

No, it's because Saddam Hussein was violating human rights & causing too much pain & suffering.

It's not because of personal beef, he's not that gangsta.

questionable. Check out the pain and suffering in Liberia. 5 yr old kids are a part of the army running around with guns bigger than them. Also, there is strong belief that Liberia housed Osama Bin Laden post 9/11. Check out also Sudan, muslims are raping women, killing men, killing children and in some instances they through little babies into the air and shoot them mid-air. Genocide in Sudan and yet no one has taken interest