Superman/Dark Knight Crossover in 2016

[Lean]

But it became a "thing" after Bale did his voice. As for the "throat cancer", it was one of those cult type of things. Many liked it, many didn't.

It became a "thing" because of how bad Bale's throat cancer was. Even Kevin Conroy does his Bruce Wayne and Batman voice differently.

I mean come on, did Bale came up with that funny voice?

Begins' Batvoice was okay, it's close to the throat cancer Batvoice but it's better than "TELL ME WHERE THE TRIGGER ITH! THEN YOU HAVE MY PERMISSTHION TO DIE!"

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[benji]

PLAYBOY: When Warner Bros. named you Batman, the internet exploded with hostility. After climbing back from career adversity to win the best picture Oscar for Argo, was your initial reaction more "Not again" or "Screw you"?

AFFLECK: It wasn't either, really. I expected that reaction. Warner Bros. told me, "You should know what you're getting into." They showed me the reactions to other folks who had been cast in these roles. They said this is how it tends to play out initially.

PLAYBOY: What convinced you?

AFFLECK: When they asked if I would be Batman, I told them I didn't see myself in the role and I was going to have to beg off. They said I'd fit well into how they were going to approach the character and asked me to look at what the writer-director, Zack Snyder, was doing. The stuff was incredible.

PLAYBOY: Why?

AFFLECK: It was a unique take on Batman that was still consistent with the mythology. It made me excited. All of a sudden I had a reading of the character. When people see it, it will make more sense than it does now or even than it did to me initially.

PLAYBOY: How will your Batman differ from the others, particularly the one played by Christian Bale?

AFFLECK: I don't want to give away too much, but the idea for the new Batman is to redefine him in a way that doesn't compete with the Bale and Chris Nolan Batman but still exists within the Batman canon. It will be an older and wiser version, particularly as he relates to Henry Cavill's Superman character.

PLAYBOY: How much did the hostile fan reaction bother you?

AFFLECK: I understand I'm at a disadvantage with the internet. If I thought the result would be another Daredevil, I'd be out there picketing myself. [laughs] Why would I make the movie if I didn't think it was going to be good and that I could be good in it?

PLAYBOY: How would you have handled this a decade ago, when things weren't going so well?

AFFLECK: I probably would have been more sensitive. I had less perspective than I do now. I've learned it doesn't matter what people think before a movie comes out; what matters is what people think when they see the movie. There's a lot of noise in the world, and the internet magnifies that energy. My focus is on the actual execution of the movie. Would I have had that perspective 10 years ago? I don't know. The world was different then. It seems odd to me to criticize casting if you haven't read the script and don't know the tone or the take. But the casting of high-profile projects seems to generate negative attention; it's fun to give your thumbs-up or thumbs-down. I've had the luxury recently of doing Argo,The Town and The Company Men, films that didn't have a high profile. You have the luxury of waiting until the movie is released before being judged. I've learned to think, I may succeed or fail, but I'm going to do so on the merit of my own instincts. It's a great business in that way. You do a movie that's successful, you get a little victory lap, and then you start at the beginning; you have to prove yourself all over again. I like that because it motivates you to work harder. I was thrilled with the reception Argo got. It was one of the great professional experiences of my life. I'm thrilled I'm working with David Fincher in Gone Girl and that I'll direct Live by Night, this big, sweeping gangster-epic morality story.

PLAYBOY: George Clooney kept a photo of himself as Batman on his office wall as a reminder of what can happen when you take a role for money and fame. If you had such a photo in your office, which movie would you go with?

AFFLECK: I'd probably have two or three. [laughs] It'd be tough to choose. The only movie I actually regret is Daredevil. It just kills me. I love that story, that character, and the fact that it got fucked up the way it did stays with me. Maybe that's part of the motivation to do Batman.

[SoF'nAwesome]

So, the only bad movie Affleck did was Daredevil?

I understand I'm at a disadvantage with the internet.

It was a unique take on Batman that was still consistent with the mythology.... but the idea for the new Batman is to redefine him in a way that doesn't compete with the Bale and Chris Nolan Batman but still exists within the Batman canon. It will be an older and wiser version.

I don't like where this is going. Zack Snyder just doesn't have that quality.

Why would I make the movie if I didn't think it was going to be good and that I could be good in it?

Because it's fucking Batman.

[Sauru]

bale was not a great batman at all, he was serviceable at best. i would consider that stupid voice idea a major negative also. you seem to be going based on looks mostly for why bale is better, i am talking about the acting. bale is an amazing actor and he has done some really amazing work, batman should not be included in that though. people will remember him for batman and thats sad to me.

Who was the best Batman and why/how was he better than Bale?

it does not matter who else has played batman or if they were better or worse than bale, the point is bale has done amazing work but his time as batman should never be considered amazing. the movies were amazing, not him. he was average. he was serviceable. he did not carry the film in anyway. you seem to be hung up on bale vs the others who have played batman while i am talking about bale vs bale and the batman bale ranks low

[SoF'nAwesome]

Bale Vs. Bale for me it would probably be something like this: The Fighter> The Machinist> The Prestige> Begins> Rescue Dawn> American Hustle...and so on. The worst/not so good Bale role for me would be Equilibrium.

I don't understand why you say he was average as Batman. He owned the Bruce Wayne part, and put a lot of effort into the Batman character as well. Sure, it was nothing that serious like losing 27kgs, acquiring the Boston Accent or reading books and listening to old tapes but it was perfect in its own way.

As for him carrying the film, he did do that in Begins. He was overlooked in Dark Knight thanks to Ledger, but he was on point there as well. Same goes for Rises, but Nolan screwed up there, that's why people won't bring it up.

[shadowgrin]

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Robin Hood dads.

[Sauru]

Bale Vs. Bale for me it would probably be something like this: The Fighter> The Machinist> The Prestige> Begins> Rescue Dawn> American Hustle...and so on. The worst/not so good Bale role for me would be Equilibrium.

I don't understand why you say he was average as Batman. He owned the Bruce Wayne part, and put a lot of effort into the Batman character as well. Sure, it was nothing that serious like losing 27kgs, acquiring the Boston Accent or reading books and listening to old tapes but it was perfect in its own way.

As for him carrying the film, he did do that in Begins. He was overlooked in Dark Knight thanks to Ledger, but he was on point there as well. Same goes for Rises, but Nolan screwed up there, that's why people won't bring it up.

being average is not bad. also if anyone else gave the performance he did in batman i might give them a better review but since i have seen how good he can be i am going with average in the batman movies. again though average is not bad. people like to put bales name with nolens and i think thats wrong. those movies would have been just as good with or without bale imo. well based on who played the bat of course, i feel many actors could of done just as good or better of a job

[SoF'nAwesome]

Well, the thing you brought up is that Bale will be remembered by the Batman franchise. There is good reason to that. Check out any other films by Bale. None of them are as universal(people of every age can watch, not to mention all around the world...99% of the people in my country don't even know Bale as anything else but Batman) as the Batman series. Then comes the part of the movie being good/individual actor being good.

Yes, Bale can be awesome. But you have got to keep in mind the limitations of a superhero character. He can't go all The Machinist there.

[Lean]

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Robin Hood dads.

"Fallout boxart", "Heh, that's what she said."

I love that channel.

[NovU]

Are we done with boring Bale vs Batman shit now? Shall we move onto Batman vs Superman now?

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[Oznogrd]

I missed this giant thread and I'm not going to fight about it. Benji eviscerated everyone and that's that. Here's my opinions.

1. I like both Burtons, Forever, and all 3 Nolanverse ones.
2. The best batman is Kevin Conroy. He did a different voice (that didn't sound like he was talking through a tumor) years before Nolan shot his load all over Bale. Deal with it.
3. I don't dislike Affleck. He's played some of my favorite characters from the Kevin Smith verse.
4. Nicholson Joker and Ledger Joker are both fantastic. As is Hammill Joker. The Joker is constantly transforming so a quality actor can almost always take him and make something great.

Burtons strength was the characterization of villains and the gothic feel. Forever's strength was campiness. Nolanverse strength was "grimdark" feel. Don't tell me the shit was realistic. None of it was.

I'm an avid Batman reader, viewer, and whatever other media he comes in. Every time I dismiss a bat something, I end up watching it and loving it (see The Brave and The Bold. It's OUTRAGEOUS!). I've listened to a ton of the creators/writers/artists who write for the current batverse (one of my favorite iterations) wax poetic about Batman.

I've said it before. I'll say it again.

Affleck is not what you need to be worried about. Can he play an aloof douche? Yes. Bruce Wayne is covered. Can he be a badass? Yes, watch his recent stuff. Judging him based on movies from 13 years ago is stupid. Have you seen the 90s lately? Everything was that ridiculous. Affleck will be fine.

Snyder on the other hand is sloppy, heavy handed, and really doesn't seem to understand making characters emo doesn't make them more likable. He also seems to suffer from Michael Bay Syndrome that "I don't understand the difference" between effects and plot. He should not be allowed anywhere near the Bat mythos or the Justice League movie if they want them to be any good.

They should let Snyder and Geoff Johns write the movies. Then it'll be fine.

[shadowgrin]

The Brave and The Bold. It's OUTRAGEOUS!

I <3 you.
TBatB's time travel story was more enjoyable to follow than Morrison's.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Oznogrd, I would have continued that discussion with my bff benji. Sames goes for shadowgrin. But I just lost all that confidence with that Hannibal Lecter mixup

I like how you were unbiased. Only part I would disagree with you was the "realistic" part. Of course, it's freaking capes & superheroes, it's not realistic. But in that superhero universe, Nolan's was as close as it could have been.

And have you watched Under The Red Hood? I told benji and shadowgrin to watch that. benji didn't write back and shadow bitch just ignored that.

Affleck is too serious to play Bruce Wayne imo. Compared to Bale and all the other guys who played Wayne, he feels gross. I know, Affleck is a great actor with Argo and all that, but Batman?

[shadowgrin]

Affleck too serious? lol seriously? I don't know whether to laugh or to facepalm.

How could I take someone's opinion about Batman seriously when that person thinks Under the Red Hood is even good?

It's not just Hannibal mixup, you have a lot of holes in your Batman knowledge. Even someone who loves the Adam West Batman (which is the pinnacle of acting Batman) would make more sense and know more about Batman than you. It's not like you're an idiot but when it comes to Batman you are an idiot.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Serious might not have been the perfect wording, but Affleck is too depressing as Bruce Wayne.

I don't know. Unless you only read the comics, which I didn't. I just watched the animation. I don't get why you dislike it so much, Joker was there for a short time but still managed to steal the show, Batman wasn't stupid and Robin was cooler.

Insulting. However, I didn't go all Batman guru there. I was just comparing two guys who played Batman/Joker and how one acted better/was better than the other, that's all.

Then again, it's all SUBJECTIVE

[Oznogrd]

Oznogrd, I would have continued that discussion with my bff benji. Sames goes for shadowgrin. But I just lost all that confidence with that Hannibal Lecter mixup

I like how you were unbiased. Only part I would disagree with you was the "realistic" part. Of course, it's freaking capes & superheroes, it's not realistic. But in that superhero universe, Nolan's was as close as it could have been.

And have you watched Under The Red Hood? I told benji and shadowgrin to watch that. benji didn't write back and shadow bitch just ignored that.

Affleck is too serious to play Bruce Wayne imo. Compared to Bale and all the other guys who played Wayne, he feels gross. I know, Affleck is a great actor with Argo and all that, but Batman?

It wasn't me asking the movies to be realistic. That was Nolan's idea. Begins starts out being pretty close to real (until the train scene), Dark Knight loosens its grip, then DKR (which I like despite its problems) just says FUCK THAT MIRACLE SPINAL HEALING!!!!!! GASOLINE TRAILS ARRANGED PERFECTLY LIKE A BAT. SELINA AND BRUCE RUN AWAY! In the comics, it took a mystical healing power doctor to heal Batman after the Bane incident. Batman's good but good enough to make that Batman trail without being noticed? Then the final: no fucking way moment. Bruce will never leave Gotham. Sure he stopped Bane and Talia, but had he stopped all crime in Gotham? No way in hell. Batman's obsession is the city. The only thing that keeps him going is protecting that city. Nothing else matters. Thats why when anyone gets close (sexytime way or just part of the batfamily) eventually Batman betrays them in order to protect Gotham. Every single one of his allies has been at a point where they say "Fuck you Batman, We're done." All of them.

I have seen Under the Red Hood, thoroughly enjoyed it. You say you've seen the animation but if you think Batman has humor in him, you need to go back a little further in the mythos. Or start reading the comics.

There is no light to Batman. The light in him went out the night his parents died. Any semblance of light or joy is the mask of Bruce Wayne, NOT batman. That's why Robin (Tim Drake), Nightwing, and others are something Batman needs..they provide a light that he occasionally lets in. If you want proof that Bruce Wayne is the mask, go watch Batman Beyond for the scene where Bruce flat out says: In my mind I don't call myself Bruce.

Affleck being too serious? Go watch Dogma, Extract, Chasing Amy, or Mallrats. Affleck is hysterical in all of those. He's got greatness in him. I'm hoping this Batman project pulls it out of him in a different way than his personal projects do. The one hope I have is despite Snyder's inability to tell a story with flair, the acting in 300, Man of Steel, and Watchmen were all awesome. I think these casting folks know what they're doing

Also, Paul Dini (One of the head writers on Batman: TAS, and creator of Harley Quinn) worked with Affleck on a project. He said that every break they had in shooting, Affleck wanted to talk comics, and all he talked about was batman. Comic book movies should cast fans and be written by fans. Every Time.

[shadowgrin]

Serious might not have been the perfect wording, but Affleck is too depressing as Bruce Wayne.

You mean an orphan whose parents were killed and grew up dressing like a giant bat because he can't move on with the death of his parents and pretends to the public to be a billionaire playboy who doesn't care about his business but in reality the sole purpose of his business is to fund his night time adventures dressed up as a giant bat is not supposed to be depressing?

I don't know. Unless you only read the comics, which I didn't. I just watched the animation. I don't get why you dislike it so much, Joker was there for a short time but still managed to steal the show, Batman wasn't stupid and Robin was cooler.

Both. Still sucks. The animation was ok though but I've never even bothered rewatching that shite again when it's on cable unlike TDKR starring the REAL ROBOCOP.

Insulting

If you start a fire you must be able to stand the heat. Bitch.


To add to that scene Oz mentioned that it makes little sense considering that the time Batman wasted making that fuel trail and that bat symbol would have been better spent tracking down Gordon early, finding out the truck with the bomb, and freeing up the police force so they would have been better prepared on their assault of city hall instead of zerg rushing it like morons.

[benji]

GASOLINE TRAILS ARRANGED PERFECTLY LIKE A BAT.

To add to that scene Oz mentioned that it makes little sense considering that the time Batman wasted making that fuel trail and that bat symbol would have been better spent tracking down Gordon early, finding out the truck with the bomb, and freeing up the police force so they would have been better prepared on their assault of city hall instead of zerg rushing it like morons.

This is like the secret best dumb part of the movie, Batman's had his back broken, hung out in some prison in the middle of the desert for months, secretly gets back to Gotham and the first thing he does is spend who knows how fucking long, without anybody noticing and wondering why, painting a bat symbol with gasoline on a bridge. Why? Because HE WANTS TO TELL PEOPLE HE'S BACK AND SCARE HIS FOES.

The also hilarious alternative is that he had already put that up there ages ago and was just waiting for the right time to use it.

It was probably just put in as a "cool" scene but in a unintentional way it's a peek into the insanity of Wayne and his obsession with symbols of fear, which almost doesn't exist anywhere else in the Nolanverse.

[SoF'nAwesome]

It wasn't me asking the movies to be realistic. That was Nolan's idea. Begins starts out being pretty close to real (until the train scene), Dark Knight loosens its grip, then DKR (which I like despite its problems) just says FUCK THAT MIRACLE SPINAL HEALING!!!!!! GASOLINE TRAILS ARRANGED PERFECTLY LIKE A BAT. SELINA AND BRUCE RUN AWAY! In the comics, it took a mystical healing power doctor to heal Batman after the Bane incident. Batman's good but good enough to make that Batman trail without being noticed? Then the final: no fucking way moment. Bruce will never leave Gotham. Sure he stopped Bane and Talia, but had he stopped all crime in Gotham? No way in hell. Batman's obsession is the city. The only thing that keeps him going is protecting that city. Nothing else matters. Thats why when anyone gets close (sexytime way or just part of the batfamily) eventually Batman betrays them in order to protect Gotham. Every single one of his allies has been at a point where they say "Fuck you Batman, We're done." All of them.

Burn and burn, specially "sexytime", "batfamily" and that last line

I don't know how it happened in the comics, but Nolan wanted to finish his project. And how do you end Batman? Death? I guess Nolan thought it would be too depressing and a bit old-school and rather decided to give it a happy ending. And most likely that war scene at the end indicated that most of the bad guys were taken care of and it was up to Gordon to take care of the rest. That's a lame explanation but how else could it be explained?

There is no light to Batman. The light in him went out the night his parents died. Any semblance of light or joy is the mask of Bruce Wayne, NOT batman. That's why Robin (Tim Drake), Nightwing, and others are something Batman needs..they provide a light that he occasionally lets in. If you want proof that Bruce Wayne is the mask, go watch Batman Beyond for the scene where Bruce flat out says: In my mind I don't call myself Bruce.

I like that "light" explanation. However, I don't think that has been the case in the Nolan movies. In the original comics, it was a long story with all that but Nolan kinda twisted it up. His Bruce Wayne was less dark and more joyful while managing to be scary at times if he wanted. And it was a separate persona, not laid out there as a mask. Are you referring to Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker or the series?

Affleck being too serious? Go watch Dogma, Extract, Chasing Amy, or Mallrats. Affleck is hysterical in all of those. He's got greatness in him. I'm hoping this Batman project pulls it out of him in a different way than his personal projects do. The one hope I have is despite Snyder's inability to tell a story with flair, the acting in 300, Man of Steel, and Watchmen were all awesome. I think these casting folks know what they're doing

Also, Paul Dini (One of the head writers on Batman: TAS, and creator of Harley Quinn) worked with Affleck on a project. He said that every break they had in shooting, Affleck wanted to talk comics, and all he talked about was batman. Comic book movies should cast fans and be written by fans. Every Time.

Affleck is dedicated, I don't disagree with that. And he should be, because he signed for the role. And he is great, I admit that as well. But how can I explain it? He just doesn't have that shady superhero/playboy persona in him. I just don't see it. But it's unfair for me to say all this now, of course the movie should come out first. I liked 300, Watchmen not so much. And Man of Steel just sucked hard. I think I wrote how lame it was with all the predictable twists & and had too many CGI dependent scenes earlier in this thread. That's why I think Snyder just doesn't have the head and heart needed to write Batman. And with Affleck as Batman, it will most likely end up being a disaster. The casting folks are just going by the name "Affleck", not as to how Affleck will be as Batman.

This is like the secret best dumb part of the movie, Batman's had his back broken, hung out in some prison in the middle of the desert for months, secretly gets back to Gotham and the first thing he does is spend who knows how fucking long, without anybody noticing and wondering why, painting a bat symbol with gasoline on a bridge. Why? Because HE WANTS TO TELL PEOPLE HE'S BACK AND SCARE HIS FOES.

He started at 3AM and finished at 5AM

Why can't you see that part as just the cool Batman showing off? If you must go into every little detail and challenge realism, why not be limited to Kick-Ass only? Why go to such deep shit as "Why do you give a damn, Alfred? It's not your family!"?

You mean an orphan whose parents were killed and grew up dressing like a giant bat because he can't move on with the death of his parents and pretends to the public to be a billionaire playboy who doesn't care about his business but in reality the sole purpose of his business is to fund his night time adventures dressed up as a giant bat is not supposed to be depressing?

No, from the perspective where you don't know anything except the Bruce Wayne who "buys a hotel just for his two one-night stands" part. You know of Batman, but you don't know Bruce Wayne is Batman.

If you start a fire you must be able to stand the heat. Bitch.

I was being sarcastic, little niglet.

[benji]

Why can't you see that part as just the cool Batman showing off? If you must go into every little detail and challenge realism, why not be limited to Kick-Ass only? Why go to such deep shit as "Why do you give a damn, Alfred? It's not your family!"?

In English please?

I liked 300, Watchmen not so much. And Man of Steel just sucked hard. I think I wrote how lame it was with all the predictable twists & and had too many CGI dependent scenes earlier in this thread. That's why I think Snyder just doesn't have the head and heart needed to write Batman.

Snyder didn't write Man of Steel (or Watchmen), Goyer and Nolan did. And it shows as it's packed with the same sound and fury signifying nothing that we'll dwell on and describe anyway that The Dark Knight trilogy and Inception are bursting at the seams with. (And to a lesser extent, The Prestige.) As for Goyer, I just don't think he can write within the constraints of film. The only other alternative is that Robinson and Johns carried him for five years. Which I suppose isn't impossible as JSA wasn't immune to hamfisted literalist dialogue. (Maybe that's the Goyer staple.)

He did write the worst and most unnecessary part of 300 though. (And Sucker Punch.)

That said, Chris Terrio was brought in to work on the script, I assume in part by Affleck and nobody knows how much he's rewriting or if it's just a polish.

The nugget of an idea that was in Man of Steel and is expanded in the Batman/Superman film is a great idea to pursue but is never going to be executed to the extent it should in a blockbuster franchise film for so many reasons.

If there's a positive to Snyder helming this and possibly Justice League it's that he's a much better cast juggler than Nolan. (And Singer, but probably not Whedon.) I think he's a better action director too, but that's more personal taste in terms of his very direct style.

And how do you end Batman?

You don't. The battle never ends. That's why it didn't make any sense for Wayne to give up for eight years and let his body go to shit. But they had to get rid of Batman because of the stupidity they ended the previous film with thinking it would be the final one. And it's one of the only ways they can get Batman out of the picture to allow any of the plot to happen, it's not like they can send Batman to go get trapped underground for months like the entire police force of a major city. Oh...

[SoF'nAwesome]

In English please?

Oink oink. No, I was pointing out the fact that you were mentioning the "unrealistic" stuff in a superhero movie. Why don't the bad guys just start shooting instead of going to a physical battle with Batman?

There has to be some unrealistic fiction there, otherwise it's just not possible.

The nugget of an idea that was in Man of Steel and is expanded in the Batman/Superman film is a great idea to pursue but is never going to be executed to the extent it should in a blockbuster franchise film for so many reasons.

If there's a positive to Snyder helming this and possibly Justice League it's that he's a much better cast juggler than Nolan. (And Singer, but probably not Whedon.) I think he's a better action director too, but that's more personal taste in terms of his very direct style.

I think Man of Steel expansion was a bad idea, if they had to introduce a new Batman and collide it with another superhero, they should have just made a Justice League movie with new casting on Superman & Batman. We could have seen Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and all those other guys in that movie as well. But, this move is a bit half-assed. Make a movie with a Superman we already know & an unknown Batman. Unless they are planning to make Batman the antagonist, it's just weird.

You don't. The battle never ends. That's why it didn't make any sense for Wayne to give up for eight years and let his body go to shit. But they had to get rid of Batman because of the stupidity they ended the previous film with thinking it would be the final one. And it's one of the only ways they can get Batman out of the picture to allow any of the plot to happen

I agree. Dark Knight would have probably been the perfect ending. But eventually what's the last thing for Bruce Wayne? He can retire as Batman and get old. But what about Wayne?

[benji]

shadow knows I love doing this too much, so I'll do it in public for a change, and that's rewriting plots to work better

I think I've said before that TDKR could easily be re-cut to make more sense and not drag. But if you had an opportunity to rewrite the plot it'd be even easier to make a much better movie out of it even while keeping most of its core components.

The first thing that has to go is all of the Bane and random criminals taking over Gotham and blah blah blah, RISE RISE RISE, which is what destroys the film. Better is to take the great parts that work at the start, where the mysterious Bane is waging war seemingly on Bruce Wayne himself, this requires the Batman to return to action and so you spend an hour of the film with Bane and Batman trying to outsmart each other and fighting battles in the war all over Gotham while Wayne's identity/wealth/corporation/powerbase/etc. is slowly destroyed culminating with Bane's seizure of the bomb which gives him the leverage to break off the city and hold it hostage with the terms being the trial of Batman and Gordon for covering up Dent's crimes (and the always intention of blowing up the city anyway because he's just a dick), then you do some horseshit about how Bane will relent and give up the bomb if Batman gives up his real identity to Gotham and admits he's been broken (METAPHORICALLY), this is what causes Robin and Catwoman to come to the rescue which forces Talia to reveal herself and explain the whole League of the Shadows plot then you do half an hour to an hour of incoherent chase scenes and massive fist fights. Feel free to have Batman "sacrifice" himself at the end too, but this time so he can rebuild Gotham and himself as Bruce Wayne. (And save Selina from her past with his batdick, and give Robin the cave to continue the legacy marking Batman as an enduring symbol rather than a sole individual.)

And then you fill the rest of the time with Dolph Lundgren doing full penetration. Batman fighting Bane, full penetration, Bane lecturing Batman, penetration, Batman setting bridges on fire, full penetration. This goes back and forth for about 190 minutes and then the movie just sort of ends.

[benji]

Oink oink. No, I was pointing out the fact that you were mentioning the "unrealistic" stuff in a superhero movie. Why don't the bad guys just start shooting instead of going to a physical battle with Batman?

There has to be some unrealistic fiction there, otherwise it's just not possible.

Except I was giving it a twist that makes it unintentionally good wasn't I?

I think Man of Steel expansion was a bad idea, if they had to introduce a new Batman and collide it with another superhero, they should have just made a Justice League movie with new casting on Superman & Batman. We could have seen Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and all those other guys in that movie as well. But, this move is a bit half-assed. Make a movie with a Superman we already know & an unknown Batman. Unless they are planning to make Batman the antagonist, it's just weird.

Wonder Woman will be in it, and Aquaman and apparently The Flash. Production on Man of Steel had started earlier under Singer and they transitioned that pre-production into the Snyder/Goyer/Nolan DC reboot, so they decided to use the film, and essentially Superman's arrival on Earth as the catalyst* for what will be first World's Finest and then Justice League and then from there spin-off the individual films.

As for the last part: They are.Think back to Superman's statement to the government near the end of Man of Steel, there's our nugget.

*Which is a very literalist take on the DC universe mythos, which is right up Snyder and Nolan's alley, where Superman's public arrival sets off the rebirth of the hero.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Good stuff. Invite me over to the Secret Circle sometime. A few things about your plot:

1. Batman has no other way except to reveal his true identity to Bane? Something that the God Joker couldn't do?
2. What was happening before Robin and Catwoman teamed up? What was Bane doing?
3. How can he rebuild Gotham as Bruce Wayne? The main problem with Gotham is it's criminals and corrupt people with high ranks. That's why Bruce Wayne became Batman at the first place. Because, just being a wealthy playboy couldn't save Gotham. And Robin will never get into trouble and need a helping hand from Batman? You do remember how Under The Red Hood started.

But I like your plot. It could be better(you let a bit of Suits get into you) and it is better than the original plot.

Wonder Woman will be in it, and Aquaman and apparently The Flash. Production on Man of Steel had started earlier under Singer and they transitioned that pre-production into the Snyder/Goyer/Nolan DC reboot, so they decided to use the film, and essentially Superman's arrival on Earth as the catalyst* for what will be first World's Finest and then Justice League and then from there spin-off the individual films.

So, basically they rebooted the whole thing just to make more movies/cash without knowing the reception the first one would get?

[benji]

They rebooted because the Nolanverse doesn't lend itself to superpowers except mutant healing and coincidence control. Nolan lent his strength to Goyer to get Man of Steel made after Singer bolted back to X-Men, then The Avengers made a shit load of money, and Fox and Sony made more shitloads of money with X-Men and Spider-Man reboots, and Disney made even more shitloads of money with Iron Man 3/Thor, so Warner had Snyder and Goyer team up with Geoff Johns to launch a DC CINEMATIC UNIVERSE and they tweaked Man of Steel, then took this pre-existing Man of Steel sequel and rewrote it to include Batman, and it sounds like Terrio and Johns and Snyder have more or less taken things over (Nolan's out doing his own movies again and Goyer sucks) to start inserting the other characters as cameos to launch the thing with the 2016 films, then Justice League in 2017, then hopefully more shitloads of money.

Regarding questions for my stupid five minute plot:
1 and 2. That's just Bane being a dick, he's captured Gordon and has the bomb and is all "come unmask urself or errybody dies lololol u lost" and Batman knows it's a big trap to appear at the "trial" and then Robin and Catwoman are all "we're here to help u" and so Batman is all "LETS DO IT I AM NOT DEFEATED YET"
3. Basically same as in the existing TDKR. The "Dent Act" plus Batman behind the scenes plus The Joker killing everyone in TDK has busted shit up which is why Wayne is broken down physically and goes into seclusion once things get under control a few years beforehand.

Robin is Batman, it's Wayne who moves on and starts orphanages and museums and funds non-corrupt dopes like Gordon and provides funding and advice and Lucius Fox to Robin in the suit since he old and has to spend time bonin Selina. But since it's the end of the series you don't have to explain it too much and just get all up in that BATMAN AS A SYMBOL thing you've been pimping for three movies.