Band Name O'Clock

The Shadow of Darkness

I'd go the other way, Light of Shadow/Light of the Shadows.

We might be going with the name "Wolf cries boy".

The singer suggested it and explained this full blown meaning behind it. it's hard for me to settle on a band name generally, but i do like it. and i think i wanna go with it.

Any thoughts on it? Any specific connotations it conjures up for you? Could you imagine it?
I mean, really, no matter what the band name is, it'll become synonymous with the music when all is said in done anyway, so it's not like it REALLY matters. BUT, the band name is the first impression. So i'd like to know what kind of impression the name gives you all. (I'll tell you the stylistic direction our music will be going in AFTER i hear thoughts on the name. Then i can assess everyone's thoughts more accurately, as they will be less filtered/bias/pre-conceived.)

Fall Out Boy quickly came to mind when I read the name.

Wolfmother came to mind, also.

How about Wolfpack or Wolfgang? Too generic I guess.

What's this full blown meaning? Like a backwards boy cries wolf?

Sounds a little too emo for me, maybe because of what shadowgrin said...

Core Boy Cries Beaver and the Beavertown Band.com

O hai, Robin!

Zach Attack featuring The Roots

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Naming Things I See

Sounds a little too emo for me, maybe because of what shadowgrin said...

That's the impression I got as well.

It's alright, but I'd still take Beavercore over it.

or Wolfgang?

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Was about to react to Wolfgang too.

Interesting. I got some emo connotations from it too.

What about 'The Searchlights'?

I know it's not exactly a significant or amazing name or anything. But i kinda like the simpleness of it. Any opinions?

Not bad for a name but...

In Guitar Hero Metallica, you can create random band names. I suggest you give it I try. I stopped on Liebe Blume.

We're in the middle of recording an EP at the moment, and we made a rough mix of what we've done so far, so i uploaded it to myspace. So if any of you were still curious, have a listen: www.myspace.com/beavercore

When i say "rough mix", i mean that it's unfinished. So some imagination will be needed.
Things like: The voice isn't set in stone, so we're recording all vox over again. Some instrumental parts will be re-recorded, and some instrumental parts are yet to be recorded (i.e. strings, some guitar lines). And the main mixing/mastering hasn't been done yet. BUT you will get the jist.

Jae and benji (2 people who give constructive comments that i can actually use) have already listened to these. But i'm interested as to what NLSC thinks?

Which songs are your favs, and least favs? and why? Etc.

Just read about the Wolfgang post. Always been my favorite local band.

The Cheat is good but I think the vocals at the very end doesn't match well with the song.
That Deh Deh song is a bit long, should have ended earlier. The tone of the vocals at 4:08 is annoying (same thing at the end of The Cheat). The vocalist has a good voice except when he does that.
The World is on Fire...LOOONG...ZzzZzZ...it just drags on...

The vocals are sexay, except for that thing I mentioned.

The drummer sucks. Get a new one.

The Cheat - Sounds like a radio friendly Tool, which is all too common these days I think. I like the vocals (minus the screaming at the end, but I can see why you'd add that in there), but the instruments seem a bit muffled in comparison with the vocals.

Deh Deh Chk kt - Agree with shadow that it kind of drags on, but I liked it. There are some minor differences throughout the song but there isn't really anything that kept me entertained throughout the song and make me go "hey this song has a lot of good shit packed into it which is why its so long".

One Way Mirror - Like the build up in the beginning. A solid song although I didn't really find anything special about it.

The World is On Fire - I liked that you mixed it up with that organ (?) in there, although it sounded kind of the same throughout the song. Probably my second favourite song in the list.

Auto Pilot MIDI - My favourite song out of the rest. I can't really complain about this one.

Overall it's not too bad... It sounds like something I would enjoy if a few things were changed here and there. The only problem is that I feel that some parts just drag on without really any purpose, but then again I have ADD when it comes to songs so it's probably just me.

RLS PLZ!

Thanks for the comments. It's good to get honest perspective on things. It's rare to get. Usually most people like to praise you and shower you in love and hugs, because they're drunk and you're in the band that just rocked their world. But it's not helpful in any way because their agenda is to be your friend rather than help you understand how your music is perceived.
But it's great showing random people over the internet, because they're not scared to hurt your feelings, lol. And it's when the truth can be discovered!

With that said however, always remember: Although i like honest feedback, take into account that i did put my heart and soul into these songs, so i absolutely absorb the words that are said about them. (When you spend so much time with a song, listening back to it becomes white noise to you rather than a song. It's impossible to imagine outside perspective. So that's why i absorb these comments. Because it's the outside perspective i just can't imagine. Because there's so little of them!) Point being, if you're going to say something negative about a song (which i honestly don't mind. I can't grow and improve until i understand the weaknesses), make a point to yourself to also offer a solution, or a reason/justification for for the thoughts and feelings you get from it. Help me to understand where you're coming from.
Otherwise it's just destructive comments; not useful at all. And i come away learning nothing. (Apart from 'this particular person liked this for some reason, and this person didn't like this for some reason'.... this isn't useful to me at all. I just come away misinformed.) It needs to be constructive. Help me to improve.
Does that make sense?

In short: I encourage criticism. But if there's nothing for me to learn from it then i'll have to declare the particular comment as circumstantial, based on the particular person.

Because, in my mind, the songs are awesome. Achieving things you intend is a fulfilling feeling. But along the process, you can forget about certain aspects of music. (It's kind of like you become deluded with the aspects of music that you are utilizing.) And the only way to combat this is for someone on the outside to remind you. This is your job, NLSC!

Now, the more comments the better! The wider the spectrum of opinion the better! Keep 'em coming.....

As for my response to the comments so far...

The Cheat is good but I think the vocals at the very end doesn't match well with the song.

I actually agree with you here. And that vocal part doesn't normally happen. On that particular vocal track (it was the very last take of many), the singer decided to mix it up a bit and try those vocals. What is usually there is no vox at all. Instead, usually there is a scream during the part before that last rock-out riff part (3:50 - 4:10), that ends right before it rocks the fuck out without vox (4:10 til end)

That Deh Deh song is a bit long, should have ended earlier. The tone of the vocals at 4:08 is annoying (same thing at the end of The Cheat). The vocalist has a good voice except when he does that.

I guess it is a bit long. Damn. I was kinda hoping it would be engaging enough to not be an issue. At what points does it feel like it drags on?
The vox part will probably be recorded the same way. I kinda like the obscurity of it.

The World is on Fire...LOOONG...ZzzZzZ...it just drags on...

I was afraid of that. It's supposed to be like a journey. And it's supposed to be really engaging. It does go for a long time though and have points of boredom in it. This is sort of a tough question for ya... but... do you remember at what points i lost you? At which points does it drag on?
Because there's still yet to be a strings track added to it. I think this factor will help it. But knowing where the attention span starts to waver would be very helpful.

The vocals are sexay, except for that thing I mentioned.

Yeh our singer's pretty good. I can see him becoming a renown rock vocalist one day down the road once he puts in the hard work and discipline.

The drummer sucks. Get a new one.

Luckily for me i control that decision.

The Cheat - Sounds like a radio friendly Tool, which is all too common these days I think. I like the vocals (minus the screaming at the end, but I can see why you'd add that in there), but the instruments seem a bit muffled in comparison with the vocals.

It's interesting, that tool comparison isn't uncommon. I think it's due to the vox. It's not intentional in any way. And also i disagree, but i spose i can see it.
As for the muffled instruments - it's a rough mix. So everything is still pretty raw. The final mixing & mastering will bring everything together and make it sound noice.

Deh Deh Chk kt - Agree with shadow that it kind of drags on, but I liked it. There are some minor differences throughout the song but there isn't really anything that kept me entertained throughout the song and make me go "hey this song has a lot of good shit packed into it which is why its so long".

Hmm dragged on for you too ay? Damn.
I had no idea it was a "long song" when i made it.

One Way Mirror - Like the build up in the beginning. A solid song although I didn't really find anything special about it.

There will be an added string track to this for added emotion. Hopefully when all is said and done it's a special little heart tugger.

The World is On Fire - I liked that you mixed it up with that organ (?) in there, although it sounded kind of the same throughout the song. Probably my second favourite song in the list.

Ok interesting. I guess our guitarist was right when he brought up that it sounds a bit the same and drags on a bit. Hopefully the string track adds that extra diversity that really bring the track to life like i imagine it.

Auto Pilot MIDI - My favourite song out of the rest. I can't really complain about this one.

Yeh that's a few people's favourite. We usually start a gig with this song. Got a good energy about it. We recorded this song too, but i didn't put it on myspace because it was shithouse. Vox were shit (he forgot words and melodies. Vocal wasn't set in stone at all) and a guitar part was lagging behind in time. If you want to have a listen anyway i can send it to you. But i don't recommend it lol.

Overall it's not too bad... It sounds like something I would enjoy if a few things were changed here and there. The only problem is that I feel that some parts just drag on without really any purpose, but then again I have ADD when it comes to songs so it's probably just me.

Mmmm, it may circumstantial to your particular tastes. But i will take that on board.
It's supposed to captivate you and "stay in the moment", it is this way so that it every change is significant. Rather than jump everywhere from part to part to part.

If it feels like parts have no purpose then i've failed. I really do intend to make song like little journeys. Do you remember which parts felt that way? That would be useful to know.
The music is suppose to be engaging and take you on an imaginative journey, but still have that energy about it to rock out to.
If you are hyperactive and your brain goes at a million miles a minute, then the music will probably do nothing for you. It's supposed to be felt, not thought of. So smoke a joint and then listen to it, and tell me if it fails at captivating you.

But anyway, thanks for the comments! Mostly useful.

One thing i have learned is that everyone has a different opinion. It's crazy. Every song we have, some friend has claimed to be their favourite. People's tastes vary so much.

So any more comments/perspectives are hugely welcomed. Jae and benji, if you made some comments in this thread for the sake of documentation for me to refer to, then that would be cool.
Help a broke musician make something out of his craft, via the lessons i learn from the outside perspective. I have an advantage here that not many musicians have..... I can listen to the outside voice. The more voices, the better.
Or anyone else that has any thoughts/feelings about it, then spring forth, and SPEAK!............

On all tracks, the vocals are "in front" of the music. Hope you will be trying to blend them in more. Oh, and he might need some autotune a bit here and there to polish the recordings while he continues to improve. I think he should be louder with some of his lyrics, because he's kind of soft and I don't feel that it fits all the time. See if he can add some more emotion, because he's got a good strong voice. I'd like to see some longer solos and breakdowns that you guys can go nuts on for your guitar player, your bass player, and yourself. Right now they just sound you guys are jamming, which gives the sense of a song dragging on, as well as the longer held notes from the vocalist. Gotta put some work into those solo's and really kill it.

Really enjoy the beat on The Cheat. It has that familiarity which could be a good(single material) or bad thing(copycat). Just wish the singer sang the lyrics more in tempo with the beat itself. I think you should change the bass/guitar riff up more often because that same riff is used throughout the entire song except for a couple parts that don't last long. Don't get me wrong, it's a good riff. 3rd favourite.

Deh Deh Chk-kt is easily the best composed song. Love how the beat changes up at 1:44 and again later. I don't like the vocalists "lada dat-dat-dadadat" in the vocals at 4:00. It just doesn't fit the song, imo. My favorite. It does not drag on, it's the accentuation and extension of the vocal notes(again, if he can add more syllables to match the beat better on some occasions), it just needs that awesome solo/breakdown to bring the song to it's peak, and then close it out.

One Way Mirror is my second favorite song. Hope your vocalist doesn't sniff on the finished version. The way he sings "Safe from eyes looking in until there's nothing left to see, One way mirror on the wall" matches the beat very well. I'd like to hear him sing more like that on The Cheat. The screaming at the end should be removed. I'd like you to remove all the vocals at the end and instead of ending the song on a faded note and riff, build up to a climax and just stop with the notes at 4:07. So, basically, use that breakdown before the vocals to build up to that climax.

The world is on fire is not that bad of a track. It is what it is. I don't like the singer's voice on this one. It sounds like he's straining or something. The organ may be too loud, as it sounds like it's supposed to be ambient, just repeating back and forth for the most part. Sounds like a progressive song, but it's just not progressive enough. It takes almost 2 minutes for guitars and drums to kick into play. Maybe the organ can start with a solo (like The Doors)Don't like it much.

Auto Pilot MIDI sounds like you made it on the computer. Just robotic timing on the notes. Sounds like it might be an experiment or video game music. I'm really not sure what to say about this one.

FYI, I have recorded your songs. When you blow up and get old and die from overdoses, I will release these rare demos. Don't let it go to your head. You guys have great potential.

I actually agree with you here. And that vocal part doesn't normally happen. On that particular vocal track (it was the very last take of many), the singer decided to mix it up a bit and try those vocals. What is usually there is no vox at all. Instead, usually there is a scream during the part before that last rock-out riff part (3:50 - 4:10), that ends right before it rocks the fuck out without vox (4:10 til end)

I don't know if the scream in that part you mentioned will make the song better but I like that part the way it is already. Gives the instrumentals and vocals a good highlight in the song.
Now that you mentioned it, I think a vocal part is good at the end of it (4:10-fin), but instead of that thing with the vocals I mentioned previously, maybe the type of vocals like that in 2:55-3:15 would suit it better just to rip the listener a new hole in the head.

I guess it is a bit long. Damn. I was kinda hoping it would be engaging enough to not be an issue. At what points does it feel like it drags on?
The vox part will probably be recorded the same way. I kinda like the obscurity of it.

I think it should have ended at the 4:00 mark. I feel that the final minute doesn't offer anything new to keep the listener's attention. With the exception of the final 19 secs. (which I think is a good ending), the final minute's sound can already be heard or felt in the first 4 mins. of the song. No need to keep it long with basically a repetition.
The intro is kickass though. It can be used as an entrance music for the skinniest, geekiest person who's about to enter a ring and he'll still look badass.

I was afraid of that. It's supposed to be like a journey. And it's supposed to be really engaging. It does go for a long time though and have points of boredom in it. This is sort of a tough question for ya... but... do you remember at what points i lost you? At which points does it drag on?
Because there's still yet to be a strings track added to it. I think this factor will help it. But knowing where the attention span starts to waver would be very helpful.

I like the build up of this song and I was expecting something 'grand' from it because of that but the 'rock out' part comes a bit late (4:15) and really not that ear splitting.
It's like the song is what plays in the apocalypse and when the earth opens up, instead of a vicious dark lord of evil coming out, all I see is fucking 8-Hype.
Guess I'm really disappointed with the lack of 'rocking out' part.
It's like all that teasing and flirting and you suddenly get cock blocked, so that means no poon for tonight.
Okay, I'll stop with the examples now.


One Way Mirror is already good for me thus no need to comment on it previously. If there's anything to improve on it, may be you could just clean it up - emphasizing which sound is best in the vocals and instrumentals, blending together, etc.. A process that is beyond the comprehension of my ears.


IIRC, Milk Slum and Auto Pilot was already linked previously on your thread and it was about the time that your vocalist came onboard. It's neither good nor bad for me and I won't offer any suggestions to improve it. These songs serve somewhat as a prototype in the direction of what your sound is supposed to be and leaving the song as it is is the right thing to do, imo. Though if you plan to include it in your EP, please improve it. Because I think it pales in comparison to your recent work.


Any idea how to embed your songs? I plan to have it in some social networking sites that I frequent.

I'm no muso or expert....my musical influences are Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Simon & Garfunkel, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Dire Straits, Nirvana, plus I love the song writing of guys like Bob Dylan & Bob Marley....I'm a fan of melody, story telling just to give some background so you can take my comments however you like....I'm going to lay down a few comments/thoughts as I'm listening....hope it helps in some way....don't take any negative comments to heart if possible....just thoughts of random guy....

Cheat - first song I listened to....can see why people see the Tool (whom I'm a big fan of) comparisons....obviously a softer version of it though....instrumentally I was pretty impressed....would've liked to have seen a little bit more build-up, crescendos etc in places....I don't mind the screaming at the end, just maybe a bit strange end to it though, maybe better somewhere else in the song....overall, I liked the song....pretty professional effort....you might be able to squeeze a little bit more out of it & turn it from a good to very good song....either way, good song....

Deh Deh Chk-kt - Good start of the song, don't know about some of the instrumental (0.30-0.45 & 1.15-1.30 & etc during the song) as not to my liking....very solid song throughout though....although, singer went a little crazy around 4.10 for about 5-8 seconds....so pretty good song, but a tad underwhelming in spots....btw, I don't think song is too long

One Way Mirror - Am liking the intro (first minute)....song is building well....seems to be telling a story, although singer isn't clear enough for me to get it all so what is probably a great story is getting lost a little....like the buildup of song just after 2 minute mark....song would be better if singer worked on his phrasing of words....song just ended, seems to be my favourite so far....better phrasing would definitely help....

The World Is On Fire - Organ start is unique, don't know if I like the effect....in comparison with the first 3 songs, they all seem to good flow, good instrumentals, this one seems a little lacking in flow....although I'm now at 3 minute mark & it's picking up....I don't know, I'm a big fan of a story telling song like say 'Romeo & Juliet' from Dire Straits, which some people would find boring in spots, but I find compelling....I think this song just hasn't connected or hooked me from the start....I'm liking instrumental in the 5.00-5.30 mark....again, singer seems really good in parts but he lacks some consistency but with some work, he could be really good....

Auto Pilot - Seems solid so far....actually, I'm starting to like it, it's building well in 2nd half of song....actually song just ended & I wanted it to keep going....maybe it builds a little late or maybe an extra 30 seconds would help....but good song....

Milk Slum - Nice changeup instrumentally around 48 second mark....not liking singer after 1 minute mark though....so far is the most disappointing song of the lot....stopped listening at 4 minute mark....

Overall, I'm very impressed....I'm listening from a perspective against Tool, Nirvana, Black Sabbath etc & superb bands....I could happily go to one of your gigs & be happy with the show you put on based on what I've listened to (outside of maybe Milk Slum)....

Had a quick skip through listen for 2nd time to give my final ranking of most liked to least liked....

My rankings:
1. One Way Mirror
2. The Cheat
3. Deh Deh Chk-kt
4. Auto Pilot
5. The World Is On Fire
6. Milk Slum

Obviously I've given you a tonne of feedback on MSN so I'll keep this one brief (and something new) but in the process of making your music you should be careful IMO of what the end goal is... like are you trying to make a great song, that is great because it is great or are you trying to make something "epic" and a "journey" etc? Because it seems when you set out to do that on purpose that's when they fall flat or are too long etc. The thing is, those type of songs only really work if you're like Dream Theatre or something and have some unbelievable musicians... obviously you guys are very good but I think you understand the point I'm trying to make. As you've said everyone has different tastes, but I can tell you for sure that I've never listened to a song and thought "wow that was epic, what a great journey" but I have listened to songs and thought "that was fucking awesome". Good bands make good music, you guys are a good band so play to your strengths.

[Nick]

Hey gents! Long time no type...

Not sure how many nlsc vets are still lingering, but if anyone still cares, my band's EP is almost ready to be released. All the recording is done, we've had the tracks mastered by a professional. The cover art was (finally) finished yesterday, and we're going to print off the CD's probably next week. It's all very exciting because we're all real proud of the EP and we've got some good contacts so radio play on triple j is a possibility.
One problem is that it took fucking aaaaaages to finally get this thing finished (i.e. note the post dates in this thread) and the songs are all old to us now. But luckily they still sound good nonetheless.

Anyways all the tracks will be released digitally next week for free steams. But if you want to take a sneak peek at one of the tracks then check it out in the info section of our facebook page... 'Draw the line' is track 4 (of 5) of the EP..

p.s. you may notice that 'rainbow massacre' was the bandname we settled on about a year ago..... not sure you guys knew that yet or not.

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Nice to see you drop by, Nick. Congrats on the EP, that's really exciting. Appreciate the update!

Congratulations! Good luck with your success.

That "Draw the Line" song was good. Not really my style, but I enjoyed it enough to listen to other songs once your EP comes out. Congratulations.