whos your friend

[Riot]

Actually I saw the movie Redemption about 2 years ago, found it very good and always wondered about this guy. Now that I hear his execution is next week, I feel he should be pardoned because he completely turned his life around in prison. It's very rare that you get someone that's done something that seems so bad turn into someone who is against what he's done and now preaches out against it. This could be one of those rare opportunities that a man once so evil can have a good chance of turning it around, yet we might not even give it to him.

So because he "turned his life around" in prison he should be set free? What kind of bullshit is that? He killed 4 people and ruined thousand of lives with the gang The Crips. What do you tell those families? We let him go because he wrote this book about not being in gangs. What if Saddam writes a book about not committing genocide, would you support letting him go?

How can you say you're not "pro-white" and have no problem with minorities when you're the only one on this board that goes around starting race shit like this? "Mafia's a nigger" "Arrest black babies before they become criminals"

If you can't tell, the "Mafia's a nigger" and "Arrest black babies before they become criminals" were JOKES. Get that through your very thick skull. I wasn't the only one telling jokes and I was the only one who posted a joke ANTI-RACISM (the cartoon).

See that's a bunch of bullshit right there. "I'd call a black man a nigger if I had his permission first."

Fuck, why would I call someone I don't know a nigger? Would you call some white guy you don't know a wigger or a honkey? Would you call an arab you don't know a terrorist or rag head? If you have friends that you comfortable with you can do it as jokes because they know you are joking and don't take shit seriously. I guess I forgot how weak the world is these days. My bad.

Besides the fact that Hitler's dead which renders your sig virtually meaningless next to the fact that you actually think like that, Tookie is no comparison to Hitler. He killed 4 people, Hitler killed millions. Hitler never even showed a sign of being good and only killed people because he was a racist. I think you are among the verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry few people that support Hitler.

1. I don't support Hitler, I'm mocking your sign
2. I know it doesn't make sense but I can't "Free Hitler" unless it's from the gates of hell
3. Tookie directly killed 4 people but his gang that he started killed thousands.

I just can't believe that you can sit here and defend a guy who started one of the worst gangs ever. I guess that's the "thug in you".

Not that Jae was promoting it, but just the fact that he's a mod and gives that kinda response to a racist comment.

THE CARTOON WAS NOT RACIST!!! How can you be so dumb? And the nigger comment he wasn't laughing at the word but just that someone came out and just said it right there. Jae was not laughing at anything racist.

It's not just pulling the slavery card, its that every racist joke relates back to then. Everytime I hear nigger, part of the way I feel comes from the root of the word. It's easy for you to say it's just a word when it doesn't affect you. It's like watching someone struggle to bench 500 lbs and saying "it's just a little bit of weight."

It is a nasty root and the word came from an awful time but jesus christ, can't you lighten up a little bit? You seem like your whole world is falling a part because people were making some racist jokes on a message board. And the key word there is jokes. Nobody in this thread is racist. Nobody in this thread hates black people. You can't stop the "us vs. the world" attitude and get over it. It was good fun and we were poking fun at all races (blacks, hispanics, whites, ect). I'm so sorry that you take things so offensively but you can't get your vaginal walls tied up in a knot (I don't think that made sense) everytime you hear something stupid. If you are going to cry everytime you hear something racist in the world than you are in for one hell of a bad time. The world is a crappy place but you aren't going to change the world and you aren't going to become the next Tookie Williams (not sure why you would want to). So calm down, take a chill pill and go flip on some 50 cent.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

And why do people always say that I'm not black or you can't call me black because I have a house with a pool? How can someone call me ignorant for talking about someone saying too many racial jokes, and not call the other person ignorant for saying that I'm not black or something like that because my house has a pool? Things have changed now and its not like every black person in America is poor and don't have anything in life. I'm fortunate enough to have two parents still living together and married that make a good amount of money each year. They bought this house 16-17 years ago when I was born and that's when they also got married so to say that I'm not black because of that is just as ignorant as anything else being said in this thread.

I know VanK said I would remind him of someone like Carlton and he could've just been playing, but I'm not like him... I'm just like any normal black person, I just know when to act at certain times and not to be labeled as a "nigger" on different occassions. When I with my friends or something or at school (when I'm not in class) I act just like any other black person would act but when its time to get to business I don't act crazy and stuff like that. Also, I wasn't trying to point Jae out for starting all of it, the only thing I was saying about him was the fact that he was doing more laughing than trying to calm things down a bit. I mean you can laugh or whatever you want to do, but you didn't really have to keep letting it go on if your a mod and you have that kind of control to do that. There have been other threads like this before where someone was being talked about in a racial way or jokes were being made and the same thing was happening. Riot, your problem is that you joke WAY too much and you joke in a way that makes people start to think that your being more serious and thats the way you are. Like I said before, it's ok to say jokes, but to keep going and making them even worse just makes it seem like you a racial person. I've known you for a few years, probably more than that and I know you like to play ALOT, but its some things you can play with all the time and some things you can't play with and if you do, don't just keep going. Yea I know you didn't come up with all the jokes, but don't go on like what you talking about means nothing to anybody.

I'm getting tired of typing so I'll leave it at that.

[Riot]

Well, I didn't mean to offend anyone. It got carried away and that is that. I'm getting a new sig (the guy is making it) so this sig will be gone in a few days tops.

[Riot]

I hate to start another flame war but Mafia, you are upset with me using the "n word", right? But why do you have that word in your profile thing?

jab6q: RAYMON FELTON
BhZMaFiA14: what about em?
BhZMaFiA14: you and him havin sex or somethin and u callin his name?
BhZMaFiA14: lmao
jab6q: HAHAHAHAHA
jab6q: yes nigga
jab6q: i mean no
jab6q: damn

If the word is so horrible why put it in your profile? Did you bitch that guy out? What am I missing?

[J@3]

Also, I wasn't trying to point Jae out for starting all of it, the only thing I was saying about him was the fact that he was doing more laughing than trying to calm things down a bit. I mean you can laugh or whatever you want to do, but you didn't really have to keep letting it go on if your a mod and you have that kind of control to do that.

To be completely honest with you, I didn't even read any of the jokes Stevesanity posted until you guys started complaining. I just skipped over them, the only one I did look at was the PGA Tour one because someone said it was funny. I guess it was naive of me to think that if I could just completely ignore them other people could too. Either way, I have banned people for being racist in the past... not for telling racist jokes, but actually racially attacking a person or a group on the forums. I didn't really see the jokes as someone attacking black people or whatever (since the jokes were mixed race) but I'll accept that other people might've.

As far as Riot's sig goes, it's inappropriate but he's explained why he's done it. If he had put up a CLONE HITLER sig before any of the Tookie sigs or whatever then some action might've had to be taken. He's already said he'll change it though so no drama.

[Riot]

Yes, the Clone Hitler sig will be down as soon as I get my other sig made. I don't think you guys will like it very much though.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I hate to start another flame war but Mafia, you are upset with me using the "n word", right? But why do you have that word in your profile thing?

jab6q: RAYMON FELTON
BhZMaFiA14: what about em?
BhZMaFiA14: you and him havin sex or somethin and u callin his name?
BhZMaFiA14: lmao
jab6q: HAHAHAHAHA
jab6q: yes nigga
jab6q: i mean no
jab6q: damn

If the word is so horrible why put it in your profile? Did you bitch that guy out? What am I missing?

This has been my friend for like 3 years and black too, but is he overusing the word by saying it in like every phrase and going on and on about it with racial slurs? No, I hear the word nigga every single day at school, but its not white people saying or other races. There are a mixture of people at my school and if you ask them would you like to be call "a certain racial slur" by another race they always say no. The word "nigga" is used commonly all the time where I live, but thats just how society is. When you come and say "I'm a nigger" then start off by saying a racial joke, then start posting t-shirts and things like that its get out of hand. I wouldn't have took it that serious if you just would've said "Mafia is a nigger", I mean you say things like that to me all the on AIM, but I know your playing, but like I said before, you take playing to a whole other level sometime and you don't know when to stop. I guarentee you if nobody just stepped up and said they didn't like all the racial comments going on, you would've kept going with posting jokes. Just like when someone posted a bunch of racial jokes and said they should stop, you said "No keep going" and that's the type of playing I'm talking about. There is a limit to joking and not just racial joking, its any type of joking. People will eventually get tired of you joking ALL THE TIME.

[Fenix]

I know VanK said I would remind him of someone like Carlton and he could've just been playing, but I'm not like him... I'm just like any normal black person, I just know when to act at certain times and not to be labeled as a "nigger" on different occassions.

Look, kid. I don't care if you're black, white or pink with dots, I was just making a joke, just like Riot was (although he sure can cross the line too often). This particular joke of mine didn't really have any racial background. Well, it was one there, simply because of the fact you're BLACK.
Goddamnit, kid - you're black. If you were a white kid living on a farm, you would hear a bunch of redneck jokes. I seriously doubt that you get the concept of a joke. Carlton is a joke. Why? Because he's a stereotype, just like there's a stereotype of black people being tough ghetto drug dealers. We're just making fun of these stereotypes. If anything, this this should tell you that we acknowledge these stereotypes and if we make fun out of them, you should know that weknow that they're untrue. Slovenia (Ljubljana - our capitol city - in particular) is very culturally mixed place with the fact that it connects Eastern and Western Europe. And there's also a lot black kids studying here. And we make fun with/out of each other, out of the stereotypes surrounding as and we go along just fine. We learn about each other and we know the truth - we're pretty much the same, if we overlook the fact that most of you fucks can jump higher and run faster than us.

[Riot]

If the word "nigger" is so horrible though, why do black people need to call each other that? What's the difference if a white person called you that? None of us were alive during slavery so it's not like we're "masters" or anything. What makes it ok for black people to say and not other races?

What makes it ok for black people to call white people racial slurs? And how come white people don't really get upset over it? Perhaps we're more thick skinned? Perhaps we realize it's not really that bad. It's a word. I still don't understand why that word is above all other words when it comes to insults. I understand it's history but it's a word. I guess that's the difference between me and a lot of people. I believe in stick and stones and what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. It's a freaking word. What's the big deal?

[Ruff Ryder]

If the word "nigger" is so horrible though, why do black people need to call each other that? What's the difference if a white person called you that? None of us were alive during slavery so it's not like we're "masters" or anything. What makes it ok for black people to say and not other races?

Words don't just lose meaning with the generation. What do you mean when you say "Nigger"? Maybe nigger for you means "great black man of much strength." IDK, why is it so hard for you to think "Man, black people don't like the word nigger, maybe I shouldn't say it.

What's the difference if a white person called you that? None of us were alive during slavery so it's not like we're "masters" or anything.

God, I hope you're not that stupid. I'm not even gonna answer that question.

What makes it ok for black people to call white people racial slurs? And how come white people don't really get upset over it?

Why don't you tell us? I see more white people in school crackin dave chappelle jokes making fun of themselves than I see black people.

Perhaps we realize it's not really that bad. It's a word. I still don't understand why that word is above all other words when it comes to insults. I understand it's history but it's a word. I guess that's the difference between me and a lot of people. I believe in stick and stones and what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. It's a freaking word. What's the big deal?

Call a black man a nigger to his face, then after he beats the hell out of you ask him why. You should get a good answer.

[Dooper]

Look, I don't even know this kid
But from the looks of this shit, I say ban the bitch and send him straight to the pits of Hell

[J@3]

Thanks Dooper your opinion has been noted and duely ignored.

Call a black man a nigger to his face, then after he beats the hell out of you ask him why.

That has to be the dumbest argument in the history of racial conflict. Hell, call a fat person fat to his face and he'd kick your ass too.

Not that I'm siding with anyone on this, I don't care anymore. Just don't like THAT particular argument.

[cyanide]

Words don't just lose meaning with the generation. What do you mean when you say "Nigger"? Maybe nigger for you means "great black man of much strength." IDK, why is it so hard for you to think "Man, black people don't like the word nigger, maybe I shouldn't say it.

I don't think you're answering Riot's question. He's asking why do black people call other black people "nigga," when they find the term offensive? It's like they're being hypocrites for hating the word, but yet using it.

Call a black man a nigger to his face, then after he beats the hell out of you ask him why. You should get a good answer.

"Because I find it offensive!" That's not a good answer

[FendeR`]

I think the argument of "Oh, well there's been exactly 37 black jokes and only 4.3 white jokes, that's racist" is just stupid. Why don't you inform me of some white jokes? I think it'd be hilarious. I find Chappelle's white jokes to be hilarious as well as his other racial jokes just like most people. It can always go too far, but I don't think this thread has gone to the point of really going over the edge. The jokes should undoubtedly end, but it's not like people are making threats racial threats.

I would never say they N word to someone else, but I have to second the question of why is it so offensive if black people use it so often? I don't think it should really be used by anyone, but it's over my head as to why it kills black people to hear it used even in a completely joking manner. There becomes a point where it's bothersome, but it's not like there's a stickied 'Racial Jokes' thread.

[Riot]

Words don't just lose meaning with the generation. What do you mean when you say "Nigger"? Maybe nigger for you means "great black man of much strength." IDK, why is it so hard for you to think "Man, black people don't like the word nigger, maybe I shouldn't say it.

I don't think you're answering Riot's question. He's asking why do black people call other black people "nigga," when they find the term offensive? It's like they're being hypocrites for hating the word, but yet using it.

Call a black man a nigger to his face, then after he beats the hell out of you ask him why. You should get a good answer.

"Because I find it offensive!" That's not a good answer

Yes, that is what I meant. But apparently I'm too stupid to understand.

[Riot]

The Black Death (or Mafia), you say I should go to a black man and call him a "nigger" to his face and see what would happen.

How about you go to a family of someone who was killed by Tookie Williams and tell them you think he is a changed man and should be free. Let's see what would happen then.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Look, kid. I don't care if you're black, white or pink with dots, I was just making a joke, just like Riot was (although he sure can cross the line too often). This particular joke of mine didn't really have any racial background. Well, it was one there, simply because of the fact you're BLACK.
Goddamnit, kid - you're black. If you were a white kid living on a farm, you would hear a bunch of redneck jokes. I seriously doubt that you get the concept of a joke.

Didn't I already say its ok to joke, but there is a limit you should draw because some people take it too far? And didn't I say in what I wrote that "you could've been playing"? It ain't nothing wrong with me explaining exactly who I am as a person because there have been many people on this forum that thinks I'm rich because I have a pool in my backyard and that I own alot of Jordans.

I don't think it should really be used by anyone, but it's over my head as to why it kills black people to hear it used even in a completely joking manner.

Once again, I didn't really care about the word being used as a joke because Riot's jokes about it all the time with me on AIM, but when you KEEP ON AND KEEP GOING like it doesn't matter to anyone then thats when things get drawn off.

How about you go to a family of someone who was killed by Tookie Williams and tell them you think he is a changed man and should be free. Let's see what would happen then.

I would actually do that, I mean it seems like alot of people on BET are trying to free him and even people like Snoop Dogg are trying to defend him. People get murdered all the time and there are some people that are able to accept the apology of the murderer depending on what kinda person it is because some people are can forgive and some people can't. So that was a bad comeback towards what was said about walking up to a black man and calling him a nigger and since I haven't used the laughing smiley in this thread yet I'll use it now for that last part

Can we please just end this because I don't keep talking about the same topic each and everyday. I like to go ahead and be done with what needs to be done and stop the argument.

[Riot]

I would actually do that, I mean it seems like alot of people on BET are trying to free him and even people like Snoop Dogg are trying to defend him. People get murdered all the time and there are some people that are able to accept the apology of the murderer depending on what kinda person it is because some people are can forgive and some people can't. So that was a bad comeback towards what was said about walking up to a black man and calling him a nigger and since I haven't used the laughing smiley in this thread yet I'll use it now for that last part

You have got to be kidding me. I think this passage right here just killed the thread. You just gave this thread "the stupid".

[Ruff Ryder]

I would actually do that, I mean it seems like alot of people on BET are trying to free him and even people like Snoop Dogg are trying to defend him. People get murdered all the time and there are some people that are able to accept the apology of the murderer depending on what kinda person it is because some people are can forgive and some people can't. So that was a bad comeback towards what was said about walking up to a black man and calling him a nigger and since I haven't used the laughing smiley in this thread yet I'll use it now for that last part

You have got to be kidding me. I think this passage right here just killed the thread. You just gave this thread "the stupid".

Well I think your whole argument is "the stupid." You're trying to argue with a couple of black people that nigger isn't racist.

[hipn]

This is wack.... the LA Bloods are trading guns to the police for Tookie... I mean they are trying to trade. They are giving guns like Pistols and tons of other guns to the police so the governer will release or free Tookie.

The Bloods probably want him out so they can killl him.


Edit: Nigger is racist... I mean (this is for all thw hite pople, including Micahel Jackson) dou you want to be called a honkey or a cracker? You might not say it to eachother, but do you want a black, asian, mexican, etc person to walk up to ypu and say, "Honkey" or "Cracker". I dont think so.

[Riot]

Edit: Nigger is racist... I mean (this is for all thw hite pople, including Micahel Jackson) dou you want to be called a honkey or a cracker? You might not say it to eachother, but do you want a black, asian, mexican, etc person to walk up to ypu and say, "Honkey" or "Cracker". I dont think so.

Black people call white people honkey's and crackers all the time. The only difference is white people don't freak out and throw a hissy fit. Especially if the black person is doing it in a joking manner.

You say I went too far with the racial comments. I posted three racial comments. The black babies one, which was funny, and the n-word twice. That's it. If you want to bitch at someone bitch at Stevesanity.

And my argument is stupid? This is coming from the man who wants to Free Tookie because he is a "changed man". What if America would have captured Hitler and he wrote a book about how ethnic cleansing is bad. Would you let him out because he is a changed man? I honestly don't understand your attachment to such an awful man. He wrote a freaking book (probably for the wrong reason). He needs to accept the consquences of his actions. If he really was a changed mane he would realize it and shut up. I don't know how you can justify freeing a man like him.

[hipn]

I didnt say that Tookie should be freed.

Hitler and Tookie are very different. VERY.... Tookie was a found of the Crips and murdered 4 people. Hitler was different, I mean because of him, basically all Jews were hated in Germany and because of him, thousands or hundreds of thousands were killed because he said that they were bad. You have to admit, Tookie and Hitler are different. Hitler started WWII and tookie didn't start anything close to that. Starting a world war is a lot different than starting a major gang that is basically only in North America.

[Riot]

Obviously they are on differnet levels, but you get the point. How can you justify letting him free? Because he wrote a book and preached that you shouldn't join gangs? What freaking what? He still killed 4 people (and very sickingly) and he started one of the most dangerous gangs in history.

It frustrates and pisses me off so much that people actually respect him. It boggles my mind. And then they justify it by saying Snoop Dogg and other people on BET support it. What the hell? Those guys are ignorant and stupid, too. Can Snoop Dogg even count to 20 anymore? His brain is blasted.

[J@3]

The Crips are a criminal organisation who have murdered thousands of people and spread millions of dollars worth of drugs Globally. If you think they're restrained to just North America you're an idiot. But of course they are cool so no one really cares.

I would actually do that, I mean it seems like alot of people on BET are trying to free him and even people like Snoop Dogg are trying to defend him.

What does that prove Snoop Dogg's always rambling on about being in the Crips. In that piece of shit drop it like it's hot song he mumbled something about having a blue flag sticking out of his ass.

[FendeR`]

I can't belive Mafia is actually trying to aid his argument by saying that BET and Snoop Dogg agree with him.