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Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:09 am

BhZmAFiA(2) wrote:So most male celebrities are bitches :lol: and athletes and everyone on niketalk.com :lol: if you think i got alot of shoes, u need to look at some of those collections on there and investing in jordans is a great way to make money especially if the jordans are OG (the originals not the retroes) and if u buy a limited pair that everyone don't have. if i were to sell that entire collection, i might get around $6,000-8,000 for it. :twisted:


Are you a male celebrity or an athlete? And I don't give a shit about people at niketalk.com, they're all bitches too. Bitch.
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Postby Cable on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:13 am

Most of the shoes in this thread are ugly as all hell. New shoes blow, look at this for instance:

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Wtf you talking about, those are wicked :lol:

I don't wear them that often, I've got a pair of newer Converse instead. And I don't where either for b-ball, I wear the other ones I posted.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:14 am

It ain't no reason to get mad at me because I find other ways to make money and because I'm not a broke ass. Ya'll are some of the people that don't understand the actual history of Jordans and that they're just not shoes. I'm going to give you a long ass essay to read so maybe you'll understand a little bit more than just calling them shoes and me a bitch which is the most funniest thing calling me a bitch :roll:

Jordan’s, Reebok, Addidas, And 1, and Converse are some of the brands that are featured in the main markets of the shoe industry today. There are many professional athletes that have shoe endorsements with these type of brands. The most popular brand out and has been out for the past 20 years has been Air Jordans. They are the most expensive athletic shoe on the market, and many people wonder what separates these shoes from the other athletic brand shoes or any shoe period and this one question deserves several reasons. Jordan’s basically revolutionized the sneaker industry. It all started with the 1984 NBA draft when Michael Jordan was selected to the Chicago Bulls. Michael Jordan was given his own shoe by Nike, who put enough trust in him that he could effectively help sell and market the shoes. Could Nike as a company rely on its Air Jordan I model, these black, white, and red pieces of leather, that were actually banned from the NBA for not matching the color of the Bulls mostly white jersey, to sell and appeal to the masses?
The answer is yes. The hype created by these shoes is probably greater than anything created in the twentieth century. There are many reasons for the popularity of these shoes as I found with my research of the topic. It is a hard to open a book and find something about “Air Jordan popularity”, but being a Jordan collector myself I understand the hype and know what it’s all about.
The “hype” created by Brand Jordan sneakers has become something unparallel in its own arena. Most people usually experience the hype in their childhood, but there are still many people who carry it on throughout the rest of their lives. In my research I conducted, the “hype” seemed, in a way, to be indescribable. It was a feeling that you had to experience. The research produced some very important insights and information in starting to describe this “hype”.
In an article from the Journal of Advertising Research, Jordan is said to be an economic factor. It also says that Jordan’s products sell because of the fact that Jordan, a well known celebrity, is endorsing them, which make them real. The study even goes on to estimate the value companies with endorsed by Michael Jordan would increase in sales because of his return to the NBA after his retirement.
The success of Air Jordans, according to an article from Damien Cave, “is because of the shoes and not the marketing or the man, Michael Jordan. Cave explains as a kid how he saved up his money so that he could get a pair of the first Air Jordans. He had so many emotions running through his head as he laced up his kicks. The shoes gave him a chance to “Be like Mike”. The design of the shoe is what sets Jordans apart from other shoes.
Jordan basically revolutionized the industry and how business concerning shoes would be conducted. Last Cave explains how Nike launched various marketing campaigns to recruit consumers of the shoe, rather leave it up to the consumer to buy the shoes. If you could bombard people with enough commercials with catchy phrases and songs like “If I could be like Mike”, teenagers are bound to flood the stores and try and imitate his Airness.
So one may ask how can one begin to describe this hype if it is indescribable? Well, one must first look to what makes the hype. What makes Air Jordans so popular? The answer is not a simple one. There are many factors that go into the popularity of the high profile shoes. It’s not as easy to just say “ Because they are”. The popularity from Air Jordans stem from Jordan’s popularity and legacy as a player, the design of the sneakers, the actual design process of the shoe, the marketing of Nike and Brand Jordan, the value of the shoes, the stigma associated with re-release of the shoes with Air Jordan Retros, and the fact that each Jordan can be linked to a certain moment in Michael Jordan’s career. Once you put all these things together you can begin to understand the hype. Once you catch the “Jordan Spirit” you will know it and find it very hard to let it go.
First and foremost the simplest reason why Jordan’s are so popular is the fact that Michael Jordan endorses them and they are his shoes. One would most likely find this explanation for the popularity of the shoes in a book or article. What Michael did as a player was echoed in his shoes. He is considered the greatest basketball player of all time, and his shoes are considered some of the greatest shoes of all time. His legacy is held up to his shoes, and the quality and workmanship of his shoes portray that. Just like Jordan, his shoes are unique and on the cutting edge
The value of the shoes also adds to the hype. Jordans aren’t just something you buy; they are an investment. You could potentially take any Jordan released, buy it from a store, and sell it back for a profit of at least half of the price. Many people get into collecting Jordans because of the limited nature of the shoe. People spend hundreds of dollars and hours searching for their grails, or favorite Jordans of all time. It becomes an obsession for many who hold collections in the hundreds and some even thousands. To these collectors, Jordan isn’t just a shoe, its part of their life. On the other hand, some people purchase Jordans just for their value. Because of how much some of the shoes are worth, there are many people who buy large quantities of Jordans when they are released, and sell them back for a good profit. They love the ability of Jordan’s to increase in value as soon as they are released. If someone is able to get a hold of Jordans before the release date, the value will also skyrocket. It’s a pricey passion, but most people will vouch that they have been a victim at least once in their life.
Many people buy Jordans for the popularity they will receive for wearing them. If you have a rare pair of Jordans, on your feet, you will “break many necks”, as people gawk at your rare shoes. Jordans are a fashion. Many people even wear Jordans to prom, especially the Air Jordan XI which I have with me today, it features a long strip of shiny patent leather.
In answering the question of how to define the popularity, surrounding the hype associated with Jordans, there are numerous reasons why people buy Jordans; From the design and craftsmanship, to the value and limitability, to the legacy that they stand for, to the successful marketing campaigns and strategies employed, to the sentimentality created by the annual release of Jordans and ability to connect them with a moment in time. The hype is really the summation of all of these things. It’s not something you can really describe though, you understand it by experiencing the shoes. That’s what sets Jordan’s apart from other sneakers; they are so undefined that they allow the wearer to decide why they like them.
People have always loved Brand Jordan shoes and always will; they are legend. Jordan shoes are going nowhere. I think this brand is like Mercedes. It stands for more than just Michael now. It stands for premium quality, athletic, and luxury.


It's more to it than just that too, so at least I can prove why I collect Jordans, prove to me why I'm really a so-called "bitch" without giving a lame ass excuse BITCHES. And for the two bitches, thats a persuasive speech essay I did for my honors english class and I ended up getting an A for it. And I know one of yall or even both, are going to comeback and try to say something else smart, so I guess I'll just wait on that in about 10 mins :lol:

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Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:19 am

What the fuck :lol: :lol:

It ain't no reason to get mad at me because I find other ways to make money and because I'm not a broke ass. Ya'll are some of the people that don't understand the actual history of Jordans and that they're just not shoes. I'm going to give you a long ass essay to read so maybe you'll understand a little bit more than just calling them shoes and me a bitch which is the most funniest thing calling me a bitch


OMG WORD UP HOLLA BAK DAWG U SURE TOLD ME.1.

Who's mad at you idiot? I made a simple comparison, women generally own alot of shoes... derogatory word for women = bitches, you own alot of shoes therefore you are a bitch. I didn't read that because it was one continuous paragraph that looks like some preschooler with no grammatical skills wrote it.
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Postby cyanide on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:23 am

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Most of the shoes in this thread are ugly as all hell. New shoes blow, look at this for instance:

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Wtf you talking about, those are wicked :lol:

I don't wear them that often, I've got a pair of newer Converse instead. And I don't where either for b-ball, I wear the other ones I posted.


If I wanted to grow a moustache and long hair, I'd love to wear those shoes. But I don't live in the 80's :cry:
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:31 am

Pretty nicely summed up by Jae, but since my opinion is so cherished, let's have a go at it.

It ain't no reason to get mad at me because I find other ways to make money

Those reasons being? You mean you take money from mommy & daddy, buy a shoe that's ugly just to "break necks" and plan to sell them 30 years from now when you have a beer belly the size of Godzilla's right testicle on e-bay? That's your idea of "finding other ways to make money"? Rock on, we're so stupid for not thinking of asking mommy & daddy to sponsor us in our quest to become rich off of ugly shoes.

I'm not a broke ass.

Correction, you are a broke ass. Mommy & daddy on the other hand are not a broke ass. Till you tell me you bought those shoes with your own money, then I'll still not believe you're a broke ass.

the actual history of Jordans and that they're just not shoes

They look like shoes. You wear them on your feet right? Or do you tape them around your dick whilst you try and hump your dog? In that case it would be more than just a shoe, until you give me an alternative to do with those things, that's all they will remain, just shoes.

It's more to it than just that too,

Such as...shoes?

so at least I can prove why I collect Jordans

You sure as hell proved it. To break necks & to sell them later when they worth gazillions. As OSF would say, you sure as hell snapped us.

without giving a lame ass excuse BITCHES

Does it give you satisfaction calling us bitches? :lol: Watch out, you even did it in caps!

thats a persuasive speech essay I did for my honors english class and I ended up getting an A for it

Does your teacher go by the name Gonzales and does he put an "ese" at the end of every sentance in class?

try to say something else smart,

One smart thing: I don't collect shoes. :mrgreen:

No ones mad at you btw, don't get all worked up about nothing. People feel so attacked so fast these days. Oh Mafia, just don't hack me. :lol:
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:31 am

Jae wrote:What the fuck :lol: :lol:

It ain't no reason to get mad at me because I find other ways to make money and because I'm not a broke ass. Ya'll are some of the people that don't understand the actual history of Jordans and that they're just not shoes. I'm going to give you a long ass essay to read so maybe you'll understand a little bit more than just calling them shoes and me a bitch which is the most funniest thing calling me a bitch


OMG WORD UP HOLLA BAK DAWG U SURE TOLD ME.1.

Who's mad at you idiot? I made a simple comparison, women generally own alot of shoes... derogatory word for women = bitches, you own alot of shoes therefore you are a bitch. I didn't read that because it was one continuous paragraph that looks like some preschooler with no grammatical skills wrote it.



First off, there are more men now that own alot of shoes so that shouldn't be the point and 2nd, when I copied and paste the essay from my processor to the post, it didn't space out all the paragraphs and stuff. And I don't believe that's first grade writing either :wink: I also didn't say none of you were mad at me, but I knew if I posted that, there would be some type of derogatory comment about me having like 40 pair of shoes. Things just about happen this way all the time when you or either Jackal getting into arguments on here. Neither of you had to keep calling me a "bitch", if you already said it once like you was going to really do something about it. Saying it over and over again just make things get out of hand.
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:35 am

if you already said it once like you was going to really do something about it. Saying it over and over again just make things get out of hand.

That hurt my miniscule brain. Deciphering your english shouldn't be my part time job.

Secondly, got out of hand? What are you? 50 Cent? Sounds like you gonna lay down the smack down if I call you a bitch again.

Bitch.

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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:40 am

Ok, I was waiting on Jackal's famous quote post :lol:

First, my mom and dad don't buy all my shoes, I've had a job for the last year now working at Blockbuster and I've been buying all my shoes up to that point, except for like the last 6 months period and they were buying me shoes only if I was doing well in school and doing other work so I'm not a broke ass. And like I said, Jordans mean more than just to be called shoes, thats the one thing I'm trying to get yall to understand. And yes, I buy Jordans to break necks, and I'm not exactly talking about 30 years later. You can take one pair of Jordans now, that I can just sell right now for a better profit than retail only because they were a limited pair. It's not all about waiting that long to sell them unless you just want to keep them that long. It's other people that start collectiong J's since 1984 when the first pair of J's came out, and if you take the JOrdan I's that first came out in 1984 would be worth $1500 or more by themselves. And I called yall bitches because you called me a bitch :lol: Also, my english teacher was a nerd in HS and college, so she is a pretty inteligent lady :lol: And I understand you don't collect shoes, and I don't want to keep this thing going, but if you could read some of the other stuff I put in that essay then maybe yall would know that certain type of shoes are just valuable. Also, the shoes aren't ugly, I'll admit that some of the Jordans are, but 80% of them aren't. So I'm through with it, no more bitch calling or anything

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Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:55 am

How do you know they're going to be worth anything in future? The market changes all the time, for all you know, in 30 years time you could just be stuck with 50 pairs of ugly shoes.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:14 pm

Like I said, as long as there are Jordans, there will be people with them and people wanting them. There are so many companies out that sell fake Jordans that are alot cheaper than the real Jordans. If Jordans lasted for 21 years now with many sells, it shouldn't stop in at least the next 20 years because Jordan did get an extended contract where it last him til' he is like 70 something years old. If I invest in something, its not going to be something that would be out of style in some years time, its going to be something that will always last mainly because he is the best to ever play the game.
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Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:15 pm

Oh shutup Jae. They will be worth millions of dollars.

I'm going to start collecting Cambell's Soup Cans because when they shut down the company and stop producing soup, their cans will be worth a shitload of money.

You can collect Pepsi Max bottles. We're gonna be billionaires.
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Postby air gordon on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:27 pm

mafia- i can understand why you and other people collect jordan's. a few of my friends as well as my brother do the same thing.

but i dont know about the selling part though.

maybe this isn't the right place to be talking about it. even it is a "kicks" thread
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Postby cyanide on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:46 pm

If Jordan dies, it'll be worth something. Dead people are always more famous, but then again, they're shoes. I don't know if they'll be projected to be worth lots someday, but I'm more concerned about who would buy them in say 40 years from now?
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:52 pm

It's like my generation in the next 30 years or so will pass the shoes down to their kids. So they would start getting interested in buying Jordans too so its just a new generation coming in all the time. I mean I know every kid isn't going to collect them, but alot of the oldies thats like on NT and have been collecting for a longer period of time have already gotten their kids into collecting Jordans. It's one guy on there that has like a 100 pair of baby jordans for his son. Now getting stuff like baby jordans and collecting them is stupid because the value isn't worth as much as regular men sizes of course. :lol:
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Postby . on Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:59 pm

Actually Jordans or Nike shoes in general can make alot of money, BhZmAFiA(2) is right about that. I dont know how much my DS Adidas KB8 II are worth at the moment (I think between 200 and 250 while I bought them for like 90), but my Huarache 2K4 laser Kobe editions are being sold on Instyleshoes for 350 USD while I got them for 140. Once the years go by they will probably be worth even more. The sneaker fad has just started (around the early 90s) and it doesnt look like it will go away anytime soon.

I dont think the retro Jordans will make alot of money however.
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Postby Big-D on Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 pm

hey BhZmAFiA(2) i would of used to tottally agree with you, but a thing i dont understand is why you would spend so much on such a negligible piece of clothing when there are people dieing all over the world unless your selling them later.but thats just me and everyone collects something.
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Postby Cable on Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:30 pm

There's always a chance that the shoes disintigrate over time and are worthless :lol:

30 years for a pair of shoes?
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Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:58 pm

Cable Guy makes a good point, you can't exactly cryogenically freeze them :lol: plus, shoes are going to evolve so much in 30 years time. Why would anyone even want them, even if it's just for collection purposes. There's also the inevitable Retro Jordan's that will come out and somewhat negate the value of older Jordans.
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Postby . on Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:59 pm

Its not that difficult to preserve your shoes so that they will stay fresh for many years to come. Keep them in a non-smoking-area and put some silica gelpack in them. Thats all really.

The retro Jordans arent really a treath for the original Jordans value, collectors will still pay much and much more for the original ones.
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Postby J@3 on Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:00 pm

... for 30 years?
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Postby cklitsie on Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:33 am

I agree with shbzmafia that Jordan's aren't just shoes like Reebok and adidas, there more of a legacy behind it and it represents a certain style, culture. I buy shoes that I like, fit my style, regardless of which brand it is. Although I have to admit, I prefer Nike/Jordan over other brands, simply because it represents my culture I (want to) belong to and they are better perfomance-wise.

What I don't understand though, is how people can spend all the money available on J's and hunt down eBay for cheap and exclusive ones all day.

I only own 3 pairs of Jordans now and that's enough for me, I can only wear one pair at a time and not wearing them would be a waste. I think 3 pairs may already be crazy to some people, but I prefer them as my basketball shoes, so I got 1 pair for indoor balling, 1 for outdoor and 1 as casual shoes. I got 6 total pairs of shoes (2 pretty new, 3 1+ year old, 1 2+ year old).

I like shoes and if I'd have the money to buy every pair I like I would do it, but as an average citizen I feel stupid to spend my (self-earned) money on so many shoes, while my family and more people around me are having a hard time saving some money after buying our primary needs (foods?).
Hell, the whole continent of Africa is starving to death and you're overspending your money, whether you worked hard for it or not, on some simple shoes that were made by them and by the way will earn them around $0,02.

10+ pairs is really out of hand, you can't even wear them all in one week. Also, some of those niketalk dudes (most of them) are brainwashed by Nike/Jordan it seems. They buy everything thrown out there, it might be worth more than what they pay for it someday...
Collecting for fun is alright to me, but this is kind of out of hand money-wise and seems more like obsessions to me (yes, I've been reading NT).

Also on top of that, I'd like to know (answer honestly): have you bought some of those Jordans just because they're Jordans/were cheaper than normal/you just didn't have them yet? Oh yeah and are your feet still growing?

ps. I'm having huuuuuuuuuge stomach-ache while writing this, so I guess that explains the long post.. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... :evil:
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Postby J@3 on Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:35 am

I just counted, he has 39 pairs of shoes.
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Postby cklitsie on Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:39 am

Jae wrote:I just counted, he has 39 pairs of shoes.
I guess that would make it 10+ :lol:

EDIT: correction, 39 pairs of Jordans :cheeky:
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Postby Riot on Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:40 am

Big-D wrote:hey BhZmAFiA(2) i would of used to tottally agree with you, but a thing i dont understand is why you would spend so much on such a negligible piece of clothing when there are people dieing all over the world unless your selling them later.but thats just me and everyone collects something.


Because he can?

Mafia, you have so many shoes you remind me a woman. God, what is up with black people and collecting shoes?
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