THQ to release WWE Legends game

[Sauru]

sauru is gonna take the warrior, then run around the ring til he is counted out lol.

what i found funny was in my very first match in the demo i took hogan against the giant and gave him the brain. after about 2-3 minutes we ended up outside the ring then after getting beat on a bit i crawled back in but the giant grabbed a chair and threw it in the ring. then he climbed in the ring himself but never went for the chair. as he started beating on me some more i said to hell with this and grabbed the chair. i busted his head wide open and got DQ'ed. i have won all my other matches so far but that one i lost was my favorite lol.

andrew how are the sliders in the game? can we adjust the difficulty? how about how much damage each blow does? i would not mind if the matches took a little longer. also do you notice a big difference between the chars? like does a punch from andre do more damage than a punch from koko?

[JaoSming]

yea there is some kind of combo you press to grab a chair while you are next to the ring, but that is pretty epic right there

andrew, do you know if I need to have all the wrestlers in 09 unlocked to export them all?

also, the Pro Wrestling X guy, Dave, had this to say about LoW in his newsletter this week.

So when you buy a game you own the disc, right? You would therefore think that you own
everything on said disc, right? So why is it that in order to access all of the wrestlers
on the new Legends of Wrestlemania game I have to buy Smackdown vs. Raw 2009 to unlock it
all? It can't be unlocked by playing through career mode, an unlock code, or any other
means apparently. You have to buy another game and have it's game save file on your system
in order to get all of the content on the disc you already had to pay full price for.
You have to buy two games to get all of the content of one game?! Um...no. We're not
talking about legitimate DLC here, we're talking about something you ALREADY HAVE on the
disc YOU ALREADY OWN.

I call bullshit.

It's a nice rant I must say.

[Sauru]

i am confused by what he means? why would you have to buy the other game to unlock something? what do you unlock by getting the other game? does he mean exporting other wrestlers? also my next question is

do you have to export every wrestler from SvR or can you select? are the female wrestlers also allowed to br brought over? only reason i ask is cause after looking at the SvR roster i noticed that i might reconize 10 (if that) wrestlers and a few of them (undertaker for example) are already in LOW. would not mind if i could bring over kane or one of the other few wrestlers i know but i dont want a bunch of no names (to me) in the game

[Andrew]

Well, you need to have a SDvRAW 09 save file to get the current wrestlers in the game. I reckon you could get away with renting it though because all the guys you can import can be unlocked via a code in SDvRAW 09, so you could get all the data you need in a save file by renting it for a day. That's assuming they do all need to be unlocked first, I've already done that so I didn't have a chance to run into that issue.

You also end up with a current and classic version of some wrestlers because Undertaker, HBK, HHH and Ric Flair are active playable wrestlers in SDvRAW. The imported versions have (SvR) after their names to differentiate them from their old school counterparts, except Triple H who is seperately listed as Triple H (current, imported) and Hunter Hearst Helmsley.

I must admit I never created anyone in SDvRAW because of the limitations (I don't have the patience or inclination to play through Career Mode to unlock the unlimited attributes and they still haven't released the patch for the 360 that allows you to unlock it via a code) but I'll give that a try. However, my guess is that you just have to pick from a list of available finisher chains.

There's similar sliders to the recent SDvRAW games where you can customise the CPU's frequency of reversals and the like as well as general game balance settings such as damage rate. On the subject of damage rate, it feels like the CPU does more damage even with the default sliders which are evenly balanced but again that could be me employing less effective strategy while the AI obviously knows what it's doing.

Hitting certain objectives (ie taking down Andre with a clothesline chain with Hogan) allows you to jump to Level 3 immediately which allows you to enter the body slam/leg drop finish from the real match then and there. Of course, some objectives place you in danger of losing; in the Warrior/Hogan match for example, replicating the actual finish (not necessary to proceed but pretty much required to get the gold medal) means Hogan needs to get to Level 3 so you can reverse his finishing chain and roll away when he goes for the leg drop. Certainly not impossible but if he's at Level 3 he's probably got a few good shots in on you and a couple of wrong moves can lead to him winning and a try again situation.

[Sauru]

Just a couple more questions for you Andrew, I see that you can pick random when you enter the rumble but the player started first when they selected random, do you always start first when you pick random? Does it only randomize the rest of the wrestlers?

Also who starts with the belts? There is 4 right (5 if you count the tag belts as 2)

[Andrew]

No, it's definitely random. There is a chance of entering at number one of course but your entry does indeed get randomised along with the rest of the participants if you choose that option.

The default champions are as follows:

WWE Championship: Hulk Hogan
Intercontinental Championship: Ravishing Rick Rude
Million Dollar Championship: Ted Dibiase
Tag Team Championship: Iron Sheik/Nikolai Volkoff

[Sauru]

i wonder why they picked those 2 to be tag team champs instead of someone like LOD or the hart foundation


anyway thanks for the answers, the random entry thing was a big concern of mine.

[Andrew]

Well, they were tag champs together back in the mid 80s. They probably figured it would fit the theme to have the oldest team in the game with the belts. It's a toss-up with the IC belt as well since you could make a case for a few different wrestlers being the default champion including The Honky Tonk Man seeing as though his reign was the longest to date. You can put the titles on the line of course so it's easy enough to make someone else champion.

[Andrew]

I'm getting used to the controls but I have to say without a shadow of a doubt, ladder matches suck. They've stopped my run through R/R/R dead thanks to the CPU just being impossible to overcome.

Allow me to paint the picture: you've beaten your opponent down severely, leaving them lying on the mat. You climb the ladder, you've got your hands on the belt but before you've even got a chance to enter the button mash mini-game, your opponent has popped up, knocks you off the ladder, sets it up and climbs to the top before you've even had a chance to get up, instigates the mini-game themselves and they've won...even though you've barely taken any damage and you've beaten the hell out of them. Oh yes, and because double tapping B causes you to run off the ropes as well as pick up the ladder, you've got a "Hey, I didn't want to do that!" scenario to contend with as well. Bottom line, ladder matches are complete and utter shit and when I feel like giving it another shot to move on to the next Redefine challenge, it'll likely be the last one I ever play.

If you do manage to get up in time it still doesn't really matter. You'll climb the ladder with your opponent and get into another mini-game atop the ladder to try and knock each other off but no matter what you do the CPU always seems to win it. It feels very pre-determined, one of those things that's only challenging because it's stupidly impossible. I'm not that surprised though, ladder matches in SDvRAW 2009 are also pretty bad with the CPU seeming to have an unfair advantange in recovery time, climbing speed and ability to find and pull down whatever it is that's suspended above the ring.

[Sauru]

i personally never liked ladder matches anyway so i never planned to play them in exhibition matches though hearing that they suck that bad will make me really hate R/R/R (infact you make it sound like getting your license in the gran turisimo games). the other modes all fun to play?
lots of complaining about the rumbles because you cant grapple in them. i agree thats pretty bad but i think i can manage with just the punching, its a rumble after all lol.

[Andrew]

Haven't given the Rumble a try yet except to test out the random entry after you asked about it. Cage matches are good, it all comes down to button mashing really but the way the Ladder Match is with the quick recovery and inability to recover that quickly yourself it's very frustrating. It's just unfortunate R/R/R is restrictive like that so if I want to proceed I'll need to find a way to overcome it. There has to be a way, though it just sucks the CPU seems to have an unfair advantage. I don't mind a challenge but I don't like it when the challenge comes from something being stupidly (near) impossible.

[Lean]

Off-topic: I saw a video of the Ladder Match in LoW and saw the Winged Eagle belt on the line.

[Andrew]

Yeah the belts are all old school, the IC title is the one with the white strap.

[JaoSming]

http://gamingring.com/news/?p=3861
Thumbtacks in HTC matches???? why the hell isn't Mankind in this, damn....


sidenote: did either of you two buy that TNA Impact game? Evidently it is cheap and available at the store.

[Andrew]

Cool, didn't know about that.

I haven't played TNA's game, I considered picking it up but I'm not really into TNA and I'd heard it was quite a letdown so I decided against it. Might have to rent it sometime.

[Andrew]

Further to my previous comments on Ladder Matches, it would seem there is a method to the madness. While the CPU can win matches much quicker than you - and that's still a bit of a letdown - it is actually possible to pummel your opponent enough so that they'll stay down and won't even challenge you by climing the ladder and getting into a slugfest at the top. Using a speedy wrestler is also key, so when you come to the Big Bossman vs Mr Perfect match, I suggest using Mr Perfect.

It looks like you unlock the alternate attires by earning gold medals in R/R/R as well as the "Legend Killer" mode. I've now finished all the R/R/R matches but have only got a few medals. The replay value is certainly going to be in trying to hit all the objectives (or at least enough for the minimum score for a gold medal) but it did fly by a bit quickly. I'm more used to the controls now and I'd have to say while I think it could've worked out well enough with SDvRAW's controls, it's turned out to be a pretty solid game. A bit frustrating when you end up running instead of picking up an object and other such "I didn't actually want to do that" moments but yeah, it's fun once you've got the hang of it.

[Sauru]

i am still stuck with the demo but hope to get the game tonight. first thing i am going to do is create a couple wrestlers(as much as i hate doing this i need macho in the game in some form) so i was wondering, how does it work? can i make a char with maxed stats? do you get enough points to make him a top wrestlers? do you have to earn points to build a wrestler(worst way imo if you need to make missed legends but would add the most replay value).

as for TNA, i did not get that game, i only got this one cause it was a legends game and i am into old school WWF so its a perfect fit for me with the exception of a few wrestlers who needed to be in the game and 2-3 that should not be in it at all. i missed the last few legend games on ps2(i think?) but i cant remember why? was probably into some mmo that sucked every free minute from me

[Andrew]

When you create someone they're a fairly low 40 overall so you definitely need to build them up.

[Sauru]

how long does it take? do you earn points to assign to them or does it auto level them based on how you play? i have a few i want to make but i dont want them all to be the best in the game, infact i dont want any of them to be the best. macho would be who i made with the highest overall but most i make would be mid level characters i just liked.

so i guess the question is, do i earn the points to assign to stats and can i advance without using all the points i have earned

[Andrew]

I'm not sure to be honest, you can probably level up high enough by playing through the Legend Killer mode at least a couple of times.

[Sauru]

ok my next question, i got the game and i cant for the life of me ever win when the screen goes to the "attacker/defender" mode. whatever it is i lose. i can never throw jon stud off the cell, i cant get a elimination that way in a rumble. whats the trick to it? probably something obvious that i am missing but no matter what button i hit or when i mash the hell outa them can i win in that situation


also some of the R/R/R seem needlessly complicated. again maybe its just my lack of skill so we will see if i change on that one in time

[Andrew]

Yeah that's the bit I was talking about in the Ladder Matches which can be avoided if you take the time to really make sure your opponent has really taken a beating. I haven't figured it out either.

[Sauru]

i guess i will put this under the "really easy once you get the idea of it" catagory. it seems you have to wait til those buttons are not faded out then hit 1 button, any button, to win. if you hit a button while the buttons are faded you will auto lose, if you hit more than 1 you will auto lose. once i got the hang of it it seems really easy now


going to go rent SvR tonight to import them guys, i hope i can delete the ones i do not want after the import and only keep the few i do


also people have been saying (and me before i played the game) that you cannot grapple in the royal rumble. this is completly wrong, it is a little harder to grapple but i have done both standing grapples and grapples when they were on the mat. just wanted to point that out to anyone who does not have it yet

[JaoSming]

hopefully you read this before you go get it but since you have the PS3 version you can just download a SvR save off caw.ws or gamefaqs

[Andrew]

i guess i will put this under the "really easy once you get the idea of it" catagory. it seems you have to wait til those buttons are not faded out then hit 1 button, any button, to win. if you hit a button while the buttons are faded you will auto lose, if you hit more than 1 you will auto lose. once i got the hang of it it seems really easy now

Awesome, thanks for the tip.