I just got rejected last night

This has just taken an amazing turn and I do not know what to say. I just tried to explain it but failed and now give up to crawl into a hole and die.

Axel, I apologize for thinking this was a joke before. Some of your posts led me to think it was a joke, but it doesn't seem to be now, so I'm sorry if my assumption was offensive.

I have nothing against gay people, growing up my mom was a professional modern dancer, so I was around gay people from the day I was born. So I see homosexuality more like a race then a lifestyle.

Even though so many people are bigoted or uneducated, make sure you always know that there are people out there who understand gay people and don't view them any differently then anybody else.

Actually it's a generalisation. You're saying anyone religious is the first to judge.

I'm glad you live in la-la-land. Ahh, ignorance is bliss...

Coming from the poster who refuses to understand what a double standard is.

Badman

Axel, I apologize for thinking this was a joke before. Some of your posts led me to think it was a joke, but it doesn't seem to be now, so I'm sorry if my assumption was offensive.

I have nothing against gay people, growing up my mom was a professional modern dancer, so I was around gay people from the day I was born. So I see homosexuality more like a race then a lifestyle.

Even though so many people are bigoted or uneducated, make sure you always know that there are people out there who understand gay people and don't view them any differently then anybody else.

I think Riot should be apologised to for people assuming he was homophobic.

Riot, it's ok. I understand that people that do not like gays are the same as anyone else and make sure you know there are people who understand you and dont view you as a homophobe and don't view you any differently then anybody else.

viva la tim hardaway.

Coming from the poster who refuses to understand what a double standard is.

When did I say that?
Just go to bed man...

Riot, it's ok. I understand that people that do not like gays are the same as anyone else and make sure you know there are people who understand you and dont view you as a homophobe and don't view you any differently then anybody else.

And make sure that people who are gay-friendly are the ones that should be condisered differently and called hypocrytes for disagreeing with the almighty conservative peeps...

Just go to bed man...

Who goes to bed at noon?

Right, I'll goto bed at 12:15 pm.

OPEN MINDEDNESS AT ITS FINEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1

You must be religious because you were quick to judge and assume I was from America.

You're a hypocrite because you judge anyone who is religious and label them as close minded.

Did you see me call Indy a hypocrite? He obviously respects gays as well. There's nothing wrong with that.

But when you throw someones opinions out just because they are religious that is just as close minded as the very people you hate and criticise.

That's a double standard.

That makes you a hyporcrite.

Seriously, I'd have more success talking to a brick wall. At least a brick wall doesn't think they're geniuses in their own little world.

"anyone religious is a close minded freak who judges everyone"

OPEN MINDEDNESS AT ITS FINEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1

You must be religious because you were quick to judge and assume I was from America.

Actually, I did notice the Sydney thing, but you should still go to bed and do us all a favor.

That's a double standard.

That makes you a hyporcrite.

and who are you again? From your history of posts here, I think it's fair to say that a douche like you shouldn't try to give any type of lesson to anyone.

Seriously, I'd have more success talking to a brick wall. At least a brick wall doesn't think they're geniuses in their own little world.

Actually, my door knob just showed more insight than you.

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Axel, like you said it's obviously useless to debate with people like that.

But I'm not religious so I'm not "like that".

Not that you would understand the flaws in your own logic.

and who are you again? From your history of posts here, I think it's fair to say that a douche like you shouldn't try to give any type of lesson to anyone.

I think this is the fourth time in a month and the second time in 24 hours I've felt compelled to remind someone that ad hominem attacks are not a viable debate tactic. You seriously expect someone to accept your argument as logically sound after calling them a "douche"?

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I'm interested in how someone who does not know what stereotyping is can call themselves a born-again nihilist.

You seriously expect someone to accept your argument as logically sound after calling them a "douche"?

I'm not expecting anything, just stating the obvious, ad I'm pretty sure there's a whole lot of people here who've been thinking that way too, just not expressing it.

I'm interested in how someone who does not know what stereotyping is can call themselves a born-again nihilist.

I'm pretty sure I know this concept more than you do, but apparently, you're not familiar with sarcasm either.

So you were being sarcastic when you claimed religious people are intolerant and non-religious are tolerant? Meaning you actually believe religious people are more tolerant than non-religious people.

I'm pretty sure I know this concept more than you do

Considering there were two seperate concepts you would need to know something about in that sentence, and you either used sarcasm to make yourself look stupid in order to insult Matthew, or actually do not understand the concept of stereotyping, that would probably be unlikely.

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So you were being sarcastic when you claimed religious people are intolerant and non-religious are tolerant? Meaning you actually believe religious people are more tolerant than non-religious people.

I was only referring to my custom title, since you brought it up, not to my previous statements.
You seem to be quite eager to twist my words, or you have a natural tendency to misinterprete them, either way I don't think this is worth my time anymore.

How was I twisting your words?

Yeah, because religious people are definitely known to be open minded and welcoming of concepts that go "against" their precious book.

How is an agnostic person without any of the religious standards and obligations less open-minded than a god-fearing freak who's the first to judge everyone and cast the first stone on "sinners"?
What a dumbass

If you tell me that religious people are less likely to be the first one to judge (and bash) with overall topics such homosexuality, alcohol, sex, or drugs, you definitely need an exorcist or something.

Unfortunately no, [it is not stereotyping and closedminded to assume that because someone is religious they will be the first person to judge someone] it's simple observation of everyday life.

Your words, not mine.

Your position is that religious people are intolerant. Correct? How it is twisting your words to state what you said?

And I'm very interested in why you consider yourself a born-again nihilist, unless that is where your sarcasm you were touting rests.

How was I twisting your words?

by only quoting me, it's gonna be hard to see that indeed...
Here it is:

You said:
That assumes all non-religious people (you know very well what I mean BK) do not judge or give value to anything. Strangely enough they continue to be human, and thus do.


To which I responded:
Again, not what I said:
Quote:
who's the first to judge everyone and cast the first stone on "sinners"

Which means, just in case you still didn't get it: religious people will probably be faster on the trigger when something "needs" to be judged (countless examples in everday life). I don't see anywhere in there: non-religious people never judge anyone.

Then:

You said:

So you were being sarcastic when you claimed religious people are intolerant and non-religious are tolerant? Meaning you actually believe religious people are more tolerant than non-religious people.

I said:
I was only referring to my custom title, since you brought it up, not to my previous statements.

Do I need to make it clearer or is the "twisting my words" starting to sink in?

And I'm very interested in why you consider yourself a born-again nihilist

Well, I'll certainly be glad not to discuss this with you, as this would probably not be a life-altering experience.

Go find some oncomming traffic to walk into.

None of that is twisting your words, at worst compressioning your position to what you likely actually feel based on historical positions you have taken. You are stereotyping and being intolerent by saying that religious people judge quicker, that is settled. I was stating that in order to assume non-religious people will always judge less or slower, you must assume that all non-religious people do not judge, therefore must stereotype non-religious people in order to avoid stereotyping religious people.

It is not twisting your words to state you believe religious people to be intolerant, as you clearly do believe that or else you would not be whining about it and being intolerant towards them.

Well, I'll certainly be glad not to discuss this with you, as this would probably not be a life-altering experience.

You will not explain it, because you likely cannot. I believe you are not a nihilist, and if you are not simply echoing that sickly German to be ironic like plenty of other losers, and truly believe yourself to be one, you are intellectually dishonest.

But, fine since you want to be done, as you've already mooched enough. Be done.

Explain how Matthew was wrong to question how open minded you are when you dropped a stereotype, and be done.

I was bought up a Jehovah's witness, but I'm not anymore. I was bought up to think being gay was wrong, so that's definately in my mind and still my mindset. However I haven't ever looked into it enough to form an opinion on it myself, and probably wont because it's just something I don't care about. There's way more important things in this world than wondering if/why someone is gay.

I could argue with you about how you obviously have formed opinions on gay people just by the way you talk, but I'm not even going to bother.

You're not going to bother because he was brought up in a religion. Why, that's not very open minded of you.

You're looking into it too much. I just didn't feel like aruging with Shannon.

You're really just making yourself look stupid. I certainly realize that religious people can be accepting. My bf right now is catholic, and very religious. I just didn't want to make it any more of a big deal than need be...


@ Indy,

Thanks. I really appreciate that. And don't worry, I haven't written off all straight people.


Yesterday I was sitting outside of my dorm with my bf (Julian). We were just sitting on a little brick wall, where couples sit a lot of the time, holding hands. We were just talking, and people were coming in and out of the dorm. One guy I know (who apparently didnt realize i'm gay) did a triple take as a walked by. Another guy walked by and kept coughing like an idiot. Then someone who drove by yelled "get a room".

They say that Chapel Hill is a progressive place. And in fact it is.

Just a day in my life.

Then someone who drove by yelled "get a room".

If it was this guy, I think it can be forgiven.

I've started course, so I haven't been on here in a couple days, but I just wanna say Matthew's use of smilies makes long worded debates so much more fun to read.

EDIT: Oh and BK's nit picking and cat pictures. As long as he isn't doing it to me.

Matthew, viva Tim Hardaway indeed.

He has visited over 30 gay households and completely taken back what he said. He has made it his mission for the rest of his life to spread awareness about homosexuality, and even said that homosexuals are now the most unfairly discriminated against people in the world.

He used to be the problem, now he's the solution.

Wow, so much debate out of someone saying they are gay.

This place would explode if we got a female poster that happens to be a lesbian.

Wow, so much debate out of someone saying they are gay.

This place would explode if we got a female poster

Fixed.

Haha, we've had female posters, it was bad then, if she's lesbian, we'll have a database crash.