Occupy Wall Street

Sorry I didn't see you guys posting I'm talking to Kayla

Oh, so we have an open relationship now?

Here's the best part actually.

a willingness to listen and some intent on actually TRYING to see the other person's point view

Except I already know their point of view, I'm sure I've spent a magnitude far more time than you have in listening to them and their incoherent babbling. (Just like the fact I've spent more than 5 minutes listening about exactly what quantum physics is.) They're upset that because they did nothing of any value they haven't instantly become part of the elite, acquired their dreams and been set for life, and now they want the "wreckers" to be "dealt with" in their name by the true villains. It's simple envy and rage. They see that other people are accomplished, they have no clue how to become that and they have no understanding of history or economics so they lash out in anger demanding thugs to bring others down to their level and absolve them of responsibility. They blame it on "promises" they were told because they're morons who believe anything anyone tells them apparently.

The entire "we are the 99%" meme is just like the "we are the ones we are waiting for" one they attached to a few years ago before reality smacked them in the face. It's complete self-centered hubris, a notion that they are owed something by simply existing, that they should be given what they want and if others have it then it should be taken from them.

It's the only explanations that make sense. They aren't raging at the villains who "did this" to them or their own personal stupidity. They're raging at the ones the villains told them to rage at, and they're doing it by like...well, demanding awareness! They don't even know what they want, or how to get to it, except that if they just emote about it then things will change.

Which is exactly new age postmodern gibberish.

Even Marxist analytics can figure this out: http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragme ... -mobility/
(To be fair, New Class is one of those times where even the oft broken clock of Marxist-based analysis can figure out the obvious. And either Michaels or Bakunin got there first. And Hayek got there as well for the last part of the triangle. )

Now, how about you show an ounce of respect, a willingness to listen and actually try to see this person's point of view and perspective: http://timecube.com/

^ I don't actually disagree with this.
I was being more general with my original statement, not specifically referring to this topic of wall street.

Also ben i thought "proof or ban, everything you just said" was a better response.

P.s. kayla is pretty hot.

So you don't disagree with that analysis of their disgusting tyrannical movement but you favor them?

A better response if we just want to be glib rather than actually discuss topics.

Oh i thought you were referring to the morons in the pics, not the movement itself.

Ok, I think the movement is a good thing. I know a lot of people involved in the movement are doing and saying completely idiotic things and completely miss the point of the protest but the seed of the movement is positive. I also understand that the wall street protest itself may not change anything at all. But i do think it does inspire the shift into equality. And that's basically the point of it, isn't it?

Are we in agreeance that our world does not provide equal opportunity for every born human?

This pic outlines the situation pretty well...



Are we in agreeance that the power of the world lies within the hands of a handful of elite people up the top?

If we look at the structure of the federal bank etc, and how they're owned privately, and how they control everything (the prices of the dollar, market boom and crashes, etc), and how every big organisation AND country then branches off them, then we see that really, the people in charge of of the federal bank somewhat pull the strings of the entire world, in a sense.
People are becoming more aware of this structure and seeing the flaws in the system, and that's how things like occupy[insertcityhere] manifest.

It is pretty fucked up that there is a handful of people up the top with all the money in the world (and that's almost literally), while greedily amassing more and more and not sharing, while millions, if not billions, are struggling for even basic survival needs, let alone have the opportunity to experience their dreams and live with joy and shit like that.
The agenda of the few at the top is NOT humanitarian. It's not like we can be like "oh, well atleast they're using their power for the evolution of humanity". They're not. They're using their power for more power. This means people's freedom is at stake. Basic survival needs are at stake. I mean, the whole occupy[insertcityhere] IS quite a desperate stab in the dark. But atleast it's something. It's better than NOT taking action towards what is right, right? Is it really worth just sitting back and getting walked over or is it worth trying to atleast stand up and say "no, this isn't right". I favour the latter.

For me, i was glad when i saw occupy wall street pop up. I know the protest has a loooot of flaws and it definitely warrants some of the ridicule that it gets. But it's the bigger picture aspect of it that i think is a good thing.

That's the thing, none of that has anything to do with Occupy Wall Street. They aren't mad about theft by the elite, they're mad they AREN'T the elite getting any of the proceeds, thus why they are currently as their foremost demand calling for another theft take place and be given to them to eliminate their personal debt.

the seed of the movement is positive

No, I simply cannot agree with this in any way. Look at the name Occupy WALL STREET. "Wall Street" didn't do shit to these people. It's like forming an OCCUPY GULF STREAM to protest a blizzard.

One thing fucked them and everyone else, and their solution is to give that one thing more power because that one thing has told them it's the fault of the Kulaks and that's what is holding us back from our progressive utopia.

Are we in agreeance that our world does not provide equal opportunity for every born human?

And, so? That's life. Some people are born left-handed, or preferring dogs to cats or afflicted with being Australian and some poor souls are even born Canadian. How can you possibly give any of these people equal opportunity? I don't have equal opportunity to play in the NBA. We shouldn't punish the planet because everyone lied to us and said we could be anything we wanted if we just dreamed hard enough.

Using force to enslave people, steal their labor and "manage" life won't provide equal opportunity, it will provide only no opportunity.

People are becoming more aware of this structure and seeing the flaws in the system, and that's how things like occupy[insertcityhere] manifest.

No, they aren't. The Occupy movement specifically wants to grant that institution more power so it can steal more and give to them. It sees it as the perfect tool, just that it's in the wrong hands.

The Federal Reserve is also not a private institution despite what it claims. It's powerless without being backed by the guns that gave it its monopoly in the first place. (Oh, and it only dreams it can control the value of the dollar or boom/busts.)

It is pretty fucked up that there is a handful of people up the top with all the money in the world (and that's almost literally), while greedily amassing more and more and not sharing while millions, if not billions, are struggling for even basic survival needs, let alone have the opportunity to experience their dreams and live with joy and shit like that.

Why is that fucked up? Do you seriously believe that if we steal more from people we can somehow provide the opportunity for everyone to "experience their dreams"? Might there be something standing in the way of these struggling billions? Are you ready to give up the life of all Westeners to launch massive warfare in Africa to take down the warlords and build them into "modern" societies? To literally occupy Africa?

Occupy Wall Street doesn't care about those millions or billions either, they aren't part of the 99%. Almost all Americans are the 1% of the world, but they're only talking about Americans. (Or westerners for our overseas factions.) They would gladly see more suffering by the darkies as long as the iPhones kept coming in and they got them for free.

This means people's freedom is at stake. Basic survival needs are at stake. I mean, the whole occupy[insertcityhere] IS quite a desperate stab in the dark. But atleast it's something. It's better than NOT taking action towards what is right, right?

No. Wrong. Occupy Wall Street is not taking action towards what is right. They are taking action in hopes of ushering in a totalitarian state where they'll be The New Class they thought they were.

We tried this before, in 1917. And it went so swimmingly.

Is it really worth just sitting back and getting walked over or is it worth trying to atleast stand up and say "no, this isn't right". I favour the latter.

I favor standing up for liberty, not salivating at the thought of enslaving more of your fellow man for personal gain.

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Maybe we should be more positive, unlike Occupy Wall Street.

Think about what they're actually doing, and their supporters. They decided they would setup camps in cities without declaring any goal but endless greivances and then...

And all their supporters who didn't? What are they going to do? Join them? Hell no. So nothing. Useless.

And then without any goals, no plans, no targets, nothing, they descended into filth, crime and failure. They instantly started ostracizing certain people as "not true" occupiers, controlling speech, segregating off certain types of people from one another, covering up criminal acts, etc.

In the name of what? We've been told their manifestos don't count, because it's too diverse of a movement! Which means it's meaningless, there is no movement then. A bunch of people living in filth and being upset is nothing. It's a non-frozen version of Canada and nobody cares about them.

If we take their manifestos at their word, then they want a totalitarian state.

And that's fine, feel free to take that position. But the reality is, it was just a trend, people doing shit because it's popular, my friends are all going, I'll go it'll be fun! We'll be changing the world just like during the 1960s! #occupywallstreet

Why setup all over the country? Why not go to one place, D.C. to protest the actual villians?

Why not have rallies and weekend events, and then target the political process unified like the Tea Party did? Then you have figurative body counts, actual targets, actual measures of success.

Because that would be too hard and require actual effort, unlike gathering in filth and drumming for a few months. Then you'd also make enemies, unlike the fawning media coverage, you challenge Obama and the Democrats and the media would come down harder and faster. Oh, and also they think the state is their saviour, as long as the right people are in charge.

It'd also require them to evaluate their premises.

Let's grant them the idea that they actually do recognize the system is a failure, their solution is more of the failed system. They still think the government "is the people" and "should work for the people" so if we have more government, clearly we'd have it working for the people more! Against those evil non-people who provide people with their wants and needs.

And that's where they fail most of all.

The government isn't "the people", it will never be "the people."

The market is the people. It can't be anything else.

When they're ready to start dismantling, or hell even constraining, the state, then they'll be standing for liberty and taking action towards what's right.

P.s. kayla is pretty hot.

To have a chance with her Nick you must be knowledgeable about iTunes (software from that evil Apple corporation!) because it messes her MacBook (another evil product from that evil corporation).
She's willing to pay (the evil Apple corporation) for a setting in the software just so she can use her MacBook with ease and continue her life and the struggle of being a part of the 99%.

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You realize you took this from mocking a public picture and her other public pages, checking her page after she posted with her actual name to see if it was really her and responding to that towards the stalking aspect expected of the internet.

She seems nice enough, and probably smarter than I expected before she flashed her balls by defending herself in dank corners of the internet. I won't insult her anymore other than the internship thing, not that I did really anyway, just in case she checks back in. Wouldn't be a proper wing-man for Jae otherwise.

Pocahontas is an underrated movie. Especially song wise. She needs to figure out how to do it in one shot though. And reverse the videos so it's the right way when us stalkers view it.

Actually the best part about Pocahontas is that Disney thought it'd the best reviewed movie ever and make them billions. I think it bombed and The Lion King which they somewhat shuffled off went like gangbusters and is the best Disney movie, anyone who disagrees needs to shut up and go fuck yourself with your Hamlet. Then James Cameron came along like a decade later and remade Pocahontas, without the songs, and he literally made billions.

Jae, she says she has no boyfriend (except shopping) in the last video, no idea how old it is. Get me that hat though, and teach her how to use a cart. Do you guys call it a trolley, or is that just those damned British. You package your liquor safely, always, against corners with stuff so they don't shuffle about. You put stuff like eggs and bread up there, or children you picked up for barbecue later. Shit that costs like a dollar or you can easily replace.

Also, it's Tar-jay. Not The Target. Learn class already.

We're a conservative forum? News to me.

Actually going back to this, I remembered something I thought puttin said. He doesn't vote for religious reasons:

The majority of mennonites dont vote because we believe God will put whoever he wants into office. No matter if the winner is "good" or "bad". We believe that we should note vote because by voting you are saying that you think one person is a good guy while the other is evil when the exact opposite could be true. We pray for our leaders no matter who they are. Granted we will expose evil and corruption when we see and let folks know about it, however we have no idea if the other guy might be just as bad in the end. We also believe that because we do not pledge allegiance to any nation, for our nation is heaven, that we cannot stoop to vote for earthly man as a "savior".

If we discount local races (aka not President, Congress or state-wide officials) then I doubt any regular has even voted for a Republican in the last five years at least. If we do, then I could be the only one and it was for EXPERIENCE!:

I resent the stalker talk good sir! To defend my honor I raise these points in my defense.

- I couldn't care less about her and don't even know/remember her unless I visit this thread.
Ok, I lie. I remember her as the woman that Jae wants to treat to a milkshake.
- I did it as a favor to Nick. He may not be as sexy as Lean or Jackal but Nick has potential.
- I found out about her YouTube channel only through her Google+ page. No clickity-click of her website where it lists all her social media pages. If she doesn't want strangers to see her updates in Google+, privacy settings, change it. A social media expert knows that very simple thing.

I rest my case. Next time I am forced to defend myself I have no other option but to hire the services of a simple country hyper-chicken to defend me.

Nick I will ban you if you continue to cut my grass like this

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Nick I will ban you if you continue to cut my grass like this

Threesome?

If she's down count me in

How did I never see this: http://www.thenation.com/article/164348 ... ?page=full
(Note: most of the article is outdated as they were denying food and shelter to people who weren't of the proper politics, etc. in the weeks before they got cleaned out.)

A few years ago, Joe Therrien, a graduate of the NYC Teaching Fellows program, was working as a full-time drama teacher at a public elementary school in New York City. Frustrated by huge class sizes, sparse resources and a disorganized bureaucracy, he set off to the University of Connecticut to get an MFA in his passion—puppetry. Three years and $35,000 in student loans later, he emerged with degree in hand, and because puppeteers aren’t exactly in high demand, he went looking for work at his old school. The intervening years had been brutal to the city’s school budgets—down about 14 percent on average since 2007. A virtual hiring freeze has been in place since 2009 in most subject areas, arts included, and spending on art supplies in elementary schools crashed by 73 percent between 2006 and 2009. So even though Joe’s old principal was excited to have him back, she just couldn’t afford to hire a new full-time teacher. Instead, he’s working at his old school as a full-time “substitute”; he writes his own curriculum, holds regular classes and does everything a normal teacher does. “But sub pay is about 50 percent of a full-time salaried position,” he says, “so I’m working for half as much as I did four years ago, before grad school, and I don’t have health insurance…. It’s the best-paying job I could find.”

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Sometime during the second week of the Occupation, Joe took that leap. Within his first hour at Liberty Park, he was “totally won over by the Occupation’s spirit of cooperation and selflessness.” He has been going back just about every day since. It took him a few days to find the Arts and Culture working group, which has its roots in the first planning meetings and has already produced a museum’s worth of posters (from the crudely handmade to slicker culture-jamming twists on corporate designs), poetry readings, performance-art happenings, political yoga classes and Situationist spectacles like the one in which an artist dressed in a suit and noose tie rolled up to the New York Stock Exchange in a giant clear plastic bubble to mock the speculative economy’s inevitable pop.

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At one of Arts and Culture’s meetings—held adjacent to 60 Wall Street, at a quieter public-private indoor park that’s also the atrium of Deutsche Bank—it dawned on Joe: “I have to build as many giant puppets as I can to help this thing out—people love puppets!” And so Occupy Wall Street’s Puppet Guild, one of about a dozen guilds under the Arts and Culture working group, was born.

This is literally the best worst thing ever.

When I ask Joe if he thinks Occupy Wall Street should make repealing budget cuts like the ones that struck New York’s public schools a priority, he replies that the thought hadn’t really crossed his mind. “I hope there are groups of people who are working on that specific issue,” he says, but for the moment he’s “prioritizing what I’m most passionate about.” Which, he explains, is “figuring out how to make theater that’s going to help open people up to this new cultural consciousness. It’s what I’m driven to do right now, so I’m following that impulse to see where it leads.”

Joe is my hero.

Really though, he's all our hero.

Honestly, I hope this never ends, I could read about these morons forever.

Down here, we had a group of morons occupy the main mall in town for an hour when it opened this morning, they were blocking the entrances before getting kicked out of the premises. Some people really have too much time on their hands.

I feel that I have lived my entire life in ignorance. Never did I know until now that there is a MFA for puppetry.

Someone might shout over the human microphone, “Mic check! (Mic check!) We need! (We need!) Some volunteers! (Some volunteers!) To go to Home Depot! (To go to Home Depot!) And get cleaning supplies! (And get cleaning supplies!)”

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I would pelt them with eggs

Yeah, I was obviously extremely wrong about this.

Hey, hey, hey, I'm sure once the weather improves we'll all be right out there fighting with the fierce urgency to demand a free graduate degree and 1% job without any effort again.

Wouldn't want to take a hatchet to the government's ability to grant favors though, that's just extreme and radical to deny them the power to engage in crony capitalism!

Occupy the Farm

benji's too nice to post the link of a bunch of idiots but the occupiers are a complete bunch of idiots and need to be shown how stupid they are.

Last week, on Earth Day, the Occupy movement illegally took over an entire farm and transformed it into…a farm!

The farm they seized was not a working farm per se, but rather a “research farm” for the University of California, near its Berkeley campus. The only difference between the way the farm used to be (prior to a week ago) and the way it is now is that the Occupiers have transformed what was essentially a well-maintained and important open-air laboratory into a disheveled and ultimately purposeless pretend-farm for trustafarian dropouts.

The university, on the other hand, has fired back with a devastating press release of its own, dismantling Occupy’s ludicrous theories and moral gymnastics:

The agricultural fields on the Gill Tract that are now being occupied are not the site of a proposed assisted living center for senior citizens and a grocery store. The proposed development parcel is to the south, straddling the intersection of Monroe Street and San Pablo Avenue, and has not been farmed since WWII.

The existing agricultural fields on the Gill Tract are currently, and for the foreseeable future, being used as an open-air laboratory by the students and faculty of our College of Natural Resources for agricultural research. Their work encompasses basic plant biology, alternative cropping systems, plant-insect interactions and tree pests and pathogens. These endeavors are part of the larger quest to provide a hungry planet with more abundant food, and will be impeded if the protest continues. And, they are categorically not growing genetically modified crops. We have an obligation to support their education and research, and an obligation to the American taxpayers who are funding these federally funded projects.

We take issue with the protesters’ approach to property rights. By their logic they should be able to seize what they want if, in their minds, they have a better idea of how to use it.

The morons even hate old people. It's this kind of stupidity that makes me angry.

Reminds me of this.

To the Misinformed Animal Rights Activist Who �Liberated� My Chickens
...you have decided it would be in the best interests of MY egg-laying hens to �liberate� them, i.e. steal them from my yard in the middle of the night. What worries me is not so much the trespassing, theft, harassment and dissemination of my private information (such as my home address) to the public, but is the complete misguided step you have taken to ensure I cannot care for my pets anymore...There are two options here: you traumatized and killed my hens by setting them �free� in the wilderness, or, you hypocritically passed them on to someone else to enjoy the egg laying benefits.

We take issue with the protesters’ approach to property rights. By their logic they should be able to seize what they want if, in their minds, they have a better idea of how to use it.

Perfect "eye for an eye" opportunity; a free pass to enter the protesters' properties and take anything they're not using properly or morally.