Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill

[Paul23]

What did I say about the socialist charges? Someone says that the people should run the corporations and the right-wing corporatists come out of the woodwork to defend the criminals. Obvious.

And they like normal spread the myth about the government. Except the government is run by the people and the only reason the government works against the people is because of these corporations abusing the government. If these corporations were banned, the people could get things done and we could all work without the corporate invasion.

Koberules seems to think that corporations act in a way that does not murder people, and this exposes just how naive he is. Anyone who thinks a corporation will not murder people to acquire greater market share is someone who has not studied economics. And someone who does not think the people should control the corporations instead of CEOs is someone who is in the pocket of said corporations, because no sane human would allow any business to steal their money for essential goods.

[koberulz]

What did I say about the socialist charges? Someone says that the people should run the corporations and the right-wing corporatists come out of the woodwork to defend the criminals. Obvious.

And they like normal spread the myth about the government. Except the government is run by the people and the only reason the government works against the people is because of these corporations abusing the government. If these corporations were banned, the people could get things done and we could all work without the corporate invasion.

What about the people who want to run a business to make money?

Koberules seems to think that corporations act in a way that does not murder people

I think they act in a way which offers them the best chance of making money. Killing people generally isn't the best way to do that. Again, BP has lost billions of dollars because of this spill.

Anyone who thinks a corporation will not murder people to acquire greater market share is someone who has not studied economics.[/qote]
Wait, what? How are the 'acquiring greater market share'? They're losing business to other oil companies.

And someone who does not think the people should control the corporations instead of CEOs

The people can control the corporations by choosing to spend their money elsewhere. If the government controls everything and the people have no other place to go for goods and services, the people have no control at all.

no sane human would allow any business to steal their money for essential goods.

Who's stealing?

[Wall St. Peon]

What did I say about the socialist charges? Someone says that the people should run the corporations and the right-wing corporatists come out of the woodwork to defend the criminals. Obvious.

People do run the corporations. See, the way a corporation works is, the COMMON STOCK SHAREHOLDERS (not necessarily employees) each have votes pursuant to the number of shares they hold, or percent of ownership; with those votes, they vote for the board of directors. The board of directors choose the executives. The shareholders get a percent of the profit if the board of directors decide to pay a dividend; if they don't pay a dividend, they reinvest the profit into the company. What you are proposing is government takeover of corporations, which is, by definition, socialism or communism.

And they like normal spread the myth about the government. Except the government is run by the people and the only reason the government works against the people is because of these corporations abusing the government. If these corporations were banned, the people could get things done and we could all work without the corporate invasion.

The people only care about their own districts and who will get them the most federal cash. The banning of corporations would destroy the tax revenue stream which would in turn destroy any sort of federal funding for anything. Everyone would have to work for the government otherwise they wouldn't have jobs. Government jobs are very strict in terms of pay grades and requirements for promotions, so there is a lot less incentive to do well at your job to move up...from what I've seen, ambitious types don't apply for government jobs - they apply at large corporations where they have more room for personal, professional, and bank account growth.

Koberules seems to think that corporations act in a way that does not murder people, and this exposes just how naive he is. Anyone who thinks a corporation will not murder people to acquire greater market share is someone who has not studied economics. And someone who does not think the people should control the corporations instead of CEOs is someone who is in the pocket of said corporations, because no sane human would allow any business to steal their money for essential goods.

It's obvious YOU haven't studied economics. At any level. You're naive to think that any sort of government run economy will work; the free market corrects itself. The reason why the last bubble was so bad was because in the prior three recessions monetary policy was used to prop up the economy as opposed to letting a true market correction take place. Because of government intervention, companies that should have failed stayed afloat, interest rates were too low, money was/is too cheap, etc. A true free market economy is impossible, but there needs to be less government meddling in the economy. I'm not saying no regulations - I'm far from the laissez fare type - I'm saying that the regulations should be specific with no loop holes and there should be no government subsidies for ANYTHING as it pushes (as someone noted) companies into whatever area is being subsidized, be it soybeans, wind power, or gasoline.

Shadowgrin, BP paid me quite well...indirectly. I shorted them in April and bought back in when they were around $28/share last month. I did the same thing with Citi and keep putting limit orders in at $3.95...have a couple hundred shares of C now with a flat cost basis at the moment. I'll be sitting good if they hit their target of $5-8 a share.

[Paul23]

A government run economy would be one managed by experts and by what is best for the nation. There is no possible way this could be worse than what we have now where everything is driven by all the stupid people who want fast food, violent and trashy media, worthless McMansions, road and atmosphere clogging SUVs and cheap Chinese crap all of which brings no value to the nation and murders thousands yearly. Instead of this junk nobody wants and is forced onto them by corporations we might have an actual green electric grid, health care for all, the world's greatest education system, an expansive train system and the other trappings of a civilized society.

Instead we have people like you and koberules who refuse to pay their fair share of the price of society and instead only care about how wealth they can get their grubby hands on no matter how much destruction it does to the nation.

[koberulz]

The problem with the country is that people want things they don't want?

Shut up about the green power already. As has been mentioned, the only reason the US is as reliant on gas as it is is because of government subsidies. Putting the government in control is hardly going to fix something the government broke.

[Wall St. Peon]

A government run economy would be one managed by experts and by what is best for the nation. There is no possible way this could be worse than what we have now where everything is driven by all the stupid people who want fast food, violent and trashy media, worthless McMansions, road and atmosphere clogging SUVs and cheap Chinese crap all of which brings no value to the nation and murders thousands yearly. Instead of this junk nobody wants and is forced onto them by corporations we might have an actual green electric grid, health care for all, the world's greatest education system, an expansive train system and the other trappings of a civilized society.

Oh, you mean the same experts that encouraged/forced banks to lower lending standards? That provided subsidies for banks to lend to lower income people so they can buy houses, cars, etc? Yeah, I trust them. Shut up about green energy...if there weren't GOVERNMENT (your friend ) subsidies given to oil companies and farmers to producer gasoline and ethanol (due to the massive tax that the gov't tacks onto gasoline), then green energy would be further along because it would be seen as more profitable.

Instead we have people like you and koberules who refuse to pay their fair share of the price of society and instead only care about how wealth they can get their grubby hands on no matter how much destruction it does to the nation.

You're a judgemental little fuck, aren't you? You don't know me or know my lifestyle, therefore you can't comment. I already mentioned my tax brackets...I also buy things...which also contributes via sales tax and local taxes. Property taxes pay for roads, parks, schools.

Why don't you do something about all that impossible Utopian bullshit you keep going on about instead of attacking others? Why don't you try to prove us wrong? I know why! Because that would require work...and it's much easier to bitch about how evil those who have money and good jobs are on a message board than to attempt to improve yourself and those around you.

Go fist yourself with both hands, and while you're doing that, grab onto both your ears so you can pull your head out of your ass.

[puttincomputers]

A government run economy would be one managed by experts and by what is best for the nation. There is no possible way this could be worse than what we have now where everything is driven by all the stupid people who want fast food, violent and trashy media, worthless McMansions, road and atmosphere clogging SUVs and cheap Chinese crap all of which brings no value to the nation and murders thousands yearly. Instead of this junk nobody wants and is forced onto them by corporations we might have an actual green electric grid, health care for all, the world's greatest education system, an expansive train system and the other trappings of a civilized society.

Instead we have people like you and koberules who refuse to pay their fair share of the price of society and instead only care about how wealth they can get their grubby hands on no matter how much destruction it does to the nation.

[Paul23]

I'm still amazed that people are so in bed with corporations that they go on internet forums and attack people and spout lies for their corporate masters. They even blame the government, which is trying to help people, for every problem. Then they claim they're actually paying taxes when we know they aren't as nobody who cares about their fellow man would complain about paying taxes to save the country.

Amazing.

[puttincomputers]

why do you have to pay taxes to help your fellow man? the idea that need to pay taxes in order to help your fellow man tells me you are a lazy bum!