BIBLICAL debates 2005

Another question that always stumps me is, "Can God create a rock that He can't lift?" I mean, can God put limitations on himself, if the whole thing about God is that He has none?

Yes indeed, and also, "Can god nuke a burrito so terribly hot that he himself is unfit to eat it?" I seriously think so, if evidence exists to prove something like that ex. raising people from the dead (definitely proven in the Bible), so yes, I definitely think god can.

yoiu know that brings back memories. i used to ask those questions back when i was in grade school (catholic school). i would ask that rock question or a circle with four points. my teachers would just end up punishing me by either slapping me on the hand or putting me in the corner with my arms out with 2 bibles in each hand

great posts by bullsfan and COOLmac

yoiu know that brings back memories. i used to ask those questions back when i was in grade school (catholic school). i would ask that rock question or a circle with four points. my teachers would just end up punishing me by either slapping me on the hand or putting me in the corner with my arms out with 2 bibles in each hand

great posts by bullsfan and COOLmac

thx

thanks.

and to jona that was a cool concept if you have children dont force them what you believe because you know your the boss. just let them choose what they want to believe in but continue to guide them the right path. nobody wants a kid who ends up shooting poeple at school or some wierdo who sacrifices human hearts to the devil.

this has been a great let out for all of us.personally all those so called pastors and preachers who FORCEFULLY insert the few phrases of the bible ito your head are a bunch of satan worshipping asses. you cant force poeple(deciet people) to believing you have to guide them. another bad thing why many are moving away to LEGION with GOD is many of the inhabitants of the earth are using it for profit(MONEY,chicken eggs,sex,babes,booz etc.). which makes me sick.

"what has given unto you freely, freely you must give........."

Good points, COOLmac, except I wouldn't go far to call preachers satan worshippers They definitely think they're doing the right thing for the right reasons, but they have the wrong intentions.

"Another question to throw out- how do you think God judges someone who never even hears about God or thinks about it their entire lives- like a native on an almost-deserted island in the middle of nowhere, or an infant or child that dies before they are old enough to even know what a belief is?"
by bullsfan

He Judges like this: i cant seem to find the verse but "He who can read the innermost desire of the heart, will judge the heart of those that the good news cannot reach" guess the judgement on the people who knows the law will be different to the poeple who are ignorant to the law.but the law of conscience(misspelled?) and the goodness that GOD has implanted deep into our hearts(that is your mind or so called soul if you are confused)will be the one that HE will judge if you never came across Jesus teachings or the bible.


"Eve did perform a sort of a sin, but there were no consequences until Adam ate from the 'apple'. And I believe that it says that the guilt was on both of them, not just Eve. It also says that God told Adam that if he would eat of the forbidden fruit then he would be killed. But when Adam did eat of the fruit, he wasn't killed (well not at first anyway)"
by andreas
They were already been killed that instant: " the wages of sin is death"
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ROMANS 5:12


"t's all too confusing....i think we all lack the necessary religious education to be taking part in serious discussions."
by matt
you dont have to be an expert to be on the good side.

Good points, COOLmac, except I wouldn't go far to call preachers satan worshippers They definitely think they're doing the right thing for the right reasons, but they have the wrong intentions.

ok im generalizing again......but dont you think "THOSE" who do it were influence by satan? why on earth would THEY just go around pillow the bible and ask money on the streets or restaurant if they really know the words of GOD? GOD never told them "yes sell my teachings and I'll make you rich!"

I think the best thing a parent can do in terms of religion, is to let their children (in an appropriate age) decide their own faith.

That's tough for me. If I were a parent, I would want my kid to believe in what I believed to be true, especially because it can better their lives (not to mention afterlives ).

I guess you're supposed to have faith that your kid will come to believe like you do one day, but I'd rather be teaching it to them from the start. I'll be open and tolerant for them to believe differently from me (not give out whoopings for them not believing in God), but definitely telling that this is what I believe, and why.

It's your child- you want what's best for them, you know? And if you truly believe in your faith, then it's only natural to want to share it with them. You just gotta have tolerance, that's gotta be the hardest thing as a parent, because most kids will rebel sooner or later, 'cause they want their independence. (Believe me, I know )

You just gotta see it from the other side, if you know what I mean...

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean...

(Why is my font size big...??????)

Good points, COOLmac, except I wouldn't go far to call preachers satan worshippers They definitely think they're doing the right thing for the right reasons, but they have the wrong intentions.

ok im generalizing again......but dont you think "THOSE" who do it were influence by satan? why on earth would THEY just go around pillow the bible and ask money on the streets or restaurant if they really know the words of GOD? GOD never told them "yes sell my teachings and I'll make you rich!"

They are hypocrites, but I don't think any "devil" influenced them. The drive for power and wealth is addictive for most people, and if they're able to have some sort of status within the Church and among God, they actually believe they're doing the right thing. They have the "authority" from God to do what they feel is right. Good thing we're not living in the medieval times anymore so corruption is not as evident as it was...

I think the best thing a parent can do in terms of religion, is to let their children (in an appropriate age) decide their own faith.

That's tough for me. If I were a parent, I would want my kid to believe in what I believed to be true, especially because it can better their lives (not to mention afterlives ).

I guess you're supposed to have faith that your kid will come to believe like you do one day, but I'd rather be teaching it to them from the start. I'll be open and tolerant for them to believe differently from me (not give out whoopings for them not believing in God), but definitely telling that this is what I believe, and why.

It's your child- you want what's best for them, you know? And if you truly believe in your faith, then it's only natural to want to share it with them. You just gotta have tolerance, that's gotta be the hardest thing as a parent, because most kids will rebel sooner or later, 'cause they want their independence. (Believe me, I know )

You just gotta see it from the other side, if you know what I mean...

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean...

(Why is my font size big...??????)

I'm saying that you also have to look from the parents' point of view. Like COOLmac said, "if you have children dont force them what you believe because you know your the boss. just let them choose what they want to believe in but continue to guide them the right path."

If you are a parent, you're naturally (and rightfully) going to want the best for them. And, if you believe strongly in God, there's nothing wrong with sharing that with them. As long as your not force-feeding (that's a turn-off anyway), ideally you want them to believe in God too.

Good points, COOLmac, except I wouldn't go far to call preachers satan worshippers They definitely think they're doing the right thing for the right reasons, but they have the wrong intentions.

ok im generalizing again......but dont you think "THOSE" who do it were influence by satan? why on earth would THEY just go around pillow the bible and ask money on the streets or restaurant if they really know the words of GOD? GOD never told them "yes sell my teachings and I'll make you rich!"

They are hypocrites, but I don't think any "devil" influenced them. The drive for power and wealth is addictive for most people, and if they're able to have some sort of status within the Church and among God, they actually believe they're doing the right thing. They have the "authority" from God to do what they feel is right. Good thing we're not living in the medieval times anymore so corruption is not as evident as it was...

money/profit/power is the source of all evil..............

They are hypocrites, but I don't think any "devil" influenced them. The drive for power and wealth is addictive for most people, and if they're able to have some sort of status within the Church and among God, they actually believe they're doing the right thing. They have the "authority" from God to do what they feel is right. Good thing we're not living in the medieval times anymore so corruption is not as evident as it was...

money/profit/power is the source of all evil..............

Yes, it is the source of evil, but I wouldn't go far as to pinpoint it on the work of the devil, when the devil is merely an abstract personification of evil. If you want to explain evil, you use the devil as your explanation of evil. But I'm saying it's human nature to do things out of greed which produces a (I define this as "evil": ) negative consequence 9 out of 10 times.

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cyanide you're the man................im glad you have positive views on almost everything(including evil) keep it up..........

DID you KNOW: for the day

actually the story in JONAH about him being eaten by a "whale". it was never mention that there was a whale only a BIG(great) fish. but due to the fact that the fish continuosly go up to the surface some bible people connected it to the mammal. which is basically wrong since a whale can never be a BIG(great) FISH

JONAH 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Jonah?

WTF???

The great fish could refer to a whale, because, back then, the Hebrew language was limited to a smaller vocabulary, so they couldn't name every single thing, which was why translation was difficult. Now that we have a wider vocabulary, we can distinguish each animal in the world by name. Back then, you couldn't do that, so language is a big factor in how the Bible is translated.

yes that was JONAH......not the Chilean one though


good point cyanide.....i remember in revelation there were suppose to be aliens there seen by John. but the bible writers cannot describe it in any language so they put it up like other supreme beings/never been seen creatures etc............

READING FOR THE DAY:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
genesis 1:26


who were God talking to? when he said Let US make man in OUR image...........

something to ponder.............

The Trinity perhaps... It could also be that God is refeering to himself in the thid person as in a royal sence.


A thing to ad to the 'rule of all creatures' thing; Monkeys have somewhere beteen 93% and 99,3% (There's many different thoughts on where it is excaly) of our DNA in common. And that's all good with that we should rule over them since we are more developed and such, but what does it meen that chimpanzees have about 10% more DNA than humans? Doesn't that make them more developed than us? I'm not sure what to think here...

READING FOR THE DAY:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
genesis 1:26


who were God talking to? when he said Let US make man in OUR image...........

something to ponder.............

I was wondering about that too, and I'm not sure. I guess it was the trinity, because at this time, there was no one else around, right? So how could there be an "us?"

u know ppl grow up in different cultures.....not everyone has to believe the same thing and do the same thing.......their wouldnt be any fun in that....

if u want to believe in God fine, if u dont wanna believe in God fine, if u wanna make it so that the respective religion is more accustomed to u fine.......its not a crime......

just argueing over whether Jesus is the son of God or Trinity or whatever is not gonna make a difference......your not going to change someone's view point over some words in a nba live forum......

ok I know I dont quite belong here since Im Buddhist and have lil knowledge of Catholism and Christianity......but each one of u r wasting your time over this...I mean ok I have no right to stop u guys.....but CoolMac is not gonna change his opinion nor is Andreas Dahl etc.....believe in what u want, do what u want.....u got a life.....use it the way u want n stop wasting it on argueing over something that will be debated till the end of mankind.....

I know u cant really have any regard to what Im saying here considering by terrible posting habits.....but oh well just thought Id say smth.

I'm not trying to change his belifs, that I wouldn't even like if someone else did. I agree with you Najira on most stuff, but this is a discution forum, and the toppic is 'BIBLICAL debates 2005' so I don't see why we shouldn't debate then...

I'm not trying to change his belifs, that I wouldn't even like if someone else did. I agree with you Najira on most stuff, but this is a discution forum, and the toppic is 'BIBLICAL debates 2005' so I don't see why we shouldn't debate then...

I know its in my nature to post meaningless and aimless posts .....ok let the debating continue.

READING FOR THE DAY:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
genesis 1:26


who were God talking to? when he said Let US make man in OUR image...........

something to ponder.............

It's possible, what Andreas suggested, that God was talking in third person.

Either part of the Bible was changed to fit the Christian concept of the Trinity, or that "us" and "our" talk about man as a race, because God goes on to say "...and let them..." In that sense, them most likely refers to multiple human beings.

first of all before i continue:

the things tackled by Najira very well thought by an intelligent mind(budhist are welcome here)

this whole religion debate thing will go on till the end of time: just like the battle of good and evil

i am in no way trying to impose my own beliefs to any NLSC guys around here. i'm more on into the "ahh that's what it is......so that's the meaning of that.......what if ......what about ......." in other words i want to bring out the inner good of each and everyone

this is a debate: in a debate both parties show proof of their claims....explain their claims........wait for the other parties rebuttal.........perform their individual rebuttal................actually in a debate there can never be winner.just a little clarification(sometimes confusion) to the topic being debated of

lastly i'm in a secluded island now..........i forgot to bring my bible but i do have internet connection via our company's wireless link. still i will try my best to answer any question thrown at me or any rebuttal that you guys can post.

remember the saying: "A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. "
Proverbs 18 : 2


now unto the "US" part............. guess i'll wait for more reactions from our viewers before i post the answer.......like i said the bible for me doesn't contradicts itself....it answers itself like a jiant jigsaw puzzle waiting to be solved.

actually good post by all of you guys.....

who were God talking to? when he said Let US make man in OUR image...........

The Trinity perhaps... It could also be that God is refeering to himself in the thid person as in a royal sence

I was wondering about that too, and I'm not sure. I guess it was the trinity, because at this time, there was no one else around, right? So how could there be an "us?"

It's possible, what Andreas suggested, that God was talking in third person.

Either part of the Bible was changed to fit the Christian concept of the Trinity, or that "us" and "our" talk about man as a race, because God goes on to say "...and let them..." In that sense, them most likely refers to multiple human beings.

good observation there bullsfan: How can there be an US if there is no one around?
well i just found out that there were already a bunch of beings around already at the time of creation the following verses you may never have heard before, but hey i'm sure am glad to share it with you guys:

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Proverbs 8 : 30
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Proverbs 8 : 22
was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Proverbs 8 : 23
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Proverbs 8 : 24
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Proverbs 8 : 25
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Proverbs 8 : 26
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Proverbs 8 : 27
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Proverbs 8 : 28
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Proverbs 8 : 29

see here even before everything was created even the entire heavens somebody was already with GOD. somebody was "brought forth" already......i'm pretty sure you all have a clue to who this somebody is already

GOD bless