Death penalty. Yes or no?

[iG®]

A few days a go, a 13 year old girl was found dead on her way from school. There were 17 knife stabs all over the body. They found a murderer after three days of searching. It was some nipper and it wasn't his first muder. He also was charged for couple of rapes, robberies... They asked him why did he do it? He said that he was drunk and he was on the ground when the girl was passing on. He asked her to help him to stand up and when she was intended to, he stabed her. He took her mobile phone. Then he leaved that place and went to the other part of the city to drink again. He didn't know why he killed her. I would shot him with no thinking.

Now, this is an example why I think dead penalty should exist. What do you think generaly? And if you can say why.

[J@3]

*Death

Anyways I'm for and against it... I'm for it in extreme cases that have been proven 100%, like for instance serial killers and the like... but I'm against it if the proof isn't entirely conclusive. When you think about it, you're taking someone elses life... I think the death penalty should be reserved for people who committ really really inhuman acts. I also think the judge or whoever should consider the circumstances... for instance, I'd much rather see a serial paedophile go to jail than have the death penalty. The abuse he'd get in jail would be a more worthy punishment.

[Cloudy]

They should take away all life-time terms and replace them all with death penalty...
Why live in the prison forever?!! Just die...!!!!

[The Other Kevin]

Because it's a bigger punishment? I agree with Jae, it should onjly be researved for serial killers, and the like. Unless they want to die, when you let them live.

[Jing]

hm had topic... for serial people, of course, but for cases like that above... probably just get like 10 lifetimes or something

[Laxation]

you hear life sentence, and think theyre in their until they die. but a life sentence can actually be around 10 years.

the death penalty should be around for extreme cases, (and there should always be 100% proof if your convicting someone Jae) and serial cases like murder and rape.

[Riot]

I'm 100% for the death penalty. Hey, they took someone else's life so they shouldn't have the privilege of living their own. Of course you are going to have some rare cases where 10 years later you find out that person was innocent. That really sucks. But the good outweighs the bad.

If they deserve to die, they should die. That's what I call justice.

[GloveGuy]

Against. In the United States we have a little something called the 8th Amendment which prevents any citizen from cruel and unusual punishment under the US courts. Simply put, the carrying out of the death penalty is unconstitutional.

Now, if they want to amend the Constitution, making the death penalty constitutional, then my stance changes. I'll basically take the opinion of Jae -- only in extreme cases.

The thing is, Riot, it's all bad. There's no good in the death penalty. A person makes a mistake, they should pay for it. But why by death? There's no suffering in death.

Don't you think that something so severe as the death penalty should be absolutely solid? It's a person's life we're talking about. These rare cases where an innocent man/woman has his or her life taken do mean something. They show flaws. The death penalty shouldn't have flaws and if it were actually constitutional, it should be used in flawless situations.

But like I said, it's unconstitutional. It shouldn't be utilized.

[Riot]

There are forms of the death penalty that don't qualify as "cruel and unusual punishment".

If they decide to commit such a horrible crime, they deserve to die. They hold no value to society and what is their right to live? The innocent 15 year old girl he killed is gone but he gets to live because of cruel and unusual punishment? Bullshit.

[alexboom]

Of course you are going to have some rare cases where 10 years later you find out that person was innocent. That really sucks. But the good outweighs the bad.

Now just pray that you won't be one of them

[Bang]

Life time imprisonment costs less, has less guilt associated with it, makes the prisoners suffer more, and also leaves room for when the wrong evidence is found. I don't see why we have to resort to the death penalty and constantly having to argue about it considering these facts. I don't see how death is worse than 50 years of prison. If you think that the victims deserve the revenge, then the victims should think that now that criminal is getting raped in the ass every single day in prison. That suffering should make them happy, if revenge is what it is about.

There has already been a thread on this. Nobody believed me that the death penalty costs more that time. Well I'm going to load all the evidence this time.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... al%20facts

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/2005 ... 230271.htm

http://www.deathpenalty.org/

It's hard to find unbiased sources...but I think most studies tend to indicate death penalty costs more.

Yes, prison space I guess is a problem. I guess maybe volunteer gladiator matches would solve ALL those problems, AND help the government EARN money as well!

[Riot]

They don't deserve to live. Bottom line.

[FendeR`]

I personally think life imprisonment is worse than the death penalty, but I think in extreme cases the death penalty should be used. But as for Gloveguy's argument, I don't see how the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, unless you go into using the electric chair, which some people say is cruel and unusual.

[cyanide]

I'd rather have let them rot in prison; which is a far worse punishment than death. If they can't handle it in prison, they can just commit suicide, which pretty much replaces the so-called death penalty.

[Riot]

I'd rather have let them rot in prison; which is a far worse punishment than death. If they can't handle it in prison, they can just commit suicide, which pretty much replaces the so-called death penalty.

Prison should not be a freaking apartment for rapists and murders. It should be a place to put people who broke the law until their sentencing is up. Prison is suppose to teach people what they did wrong and get them ready to go back into society.

And they don't "rot" in prison. They get hot meals and they stay busy (physical training, crafts, ect) in prison. I wouldn't call it rot unless you want them to start treating prisoners inhumanely, which would be a completely different topic.

[cyanide]

It probably depends on the prison. I don't think jail is some sort of haven or comfortable living; at least from the movies I've seen

[Riot]

Well, they don't have nightly rape sessions. For some reason people think it's normal for prisoners to fuck each other every night. It's not.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Ouh, the tough nut of ethics.

I would so like to say that all those inhuman fucks who commits the most abhorrent acts of pure cruelty should get killed by the state. But still... no.

It's better for them to sit out their time in prison, even though they kinda deserve to die. But I would find it better for those people to live life incarcerated than to kill the one innocent.
I could consider a more ...hands-on approach when it comes to the way the murderous fuckers are treated though. Public beatings every thursday? Fine by me.

Oh, and all rapists should go to jail for atleast 50 years when convicted. That would suit me.

[air gordon]

my dog has severe arthritis- can barely move. the medication the vet prescribed isn't woking. he's also been sick the past few days

i'm bringing him back to the vet in a few days. things aren't looking good for him right now

[The Other Kevin]

my dog has severe arthritis- can barely move. the medication the vet prescribed isn't woking. he's also been sick the past few days

i'm bringing him back to the vet in a few days. things aren't looking good for him right now

Sorry for that Gordon, but why is this here?

[Jona]

They will surely put him to sleep if he's in a very poor condition.
I hope thing work out fine man, maybe another vet?

[GloveGuy]

There are forms of the death penalty that don't qualify as "cruel and unusual punishment".

The way I see it, it's the act of killing. You decide if that's cruel or unusual.

If they decide to commit such a horrible crime, they deserve to die. They hold no value to society and what is their right to live? The innocent 15 year old girl he killed is gone but he gets to live because of cruel and unusual punishment? Bullshit.

They don't deserve to live. Bottom line.

Everyone has the right to live. You act like imprisonment isn't hard. You act like it's not a punishment. Have you ever been to prison? How would you know what it's like? Prison's a place to separate these wrongdoers form society. There's no lesson in prison. Some would rather die than have that regret and guilt hang over them for the rest of their life.

And rapes do happen in prison. Don't act like it's an urban myth or something.

Really, how can you show so much compassion for those murdered, yet show lack of compassion for those who were innocent and put under death penalty. They were murdered too. You're so fixed on your opinion, you fail to look at both sides and realize that their are victims of death penalty.

Hmm, Riot, you think that the American soldiers who killed innocent Iraqi civilians should the death penalty? I mean, it was essentially murder. But I guess they get a free pass from punishment because they were "fighting terror."

You and your conservatism are really becoming pathetic. You're so fixed on what a right-winger is "supposed" to think when you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[Riot]

Everyone has the right to live. You act like imprisonment isn't hard. You act like it's not a punishment. Have you ever been to prison? How would you know what it's like? Prison's a place to separate these wrongdoers form society. There's no lesson in prison. Some would rather die than have that regret and guilt hang over them for the rest of their life.

Have you ever been to prison? They get a place to sleep and hot meals. That's more than the person they killed is getting.

And rapes do happen in prison. Don't act like it's an urban myth or something.

I'm sure they do happen, but they aren't as common as many people think.

Really, how can you show so much compassion for those murdered, yet show lack of compassion for those who were innocent and put under death penalty. They were murdered too. You're so fixed on your opinion, you fail to look at both sides and realize that their are victims of death penalty.

You will never find a flawless justice system. Humans in general are flawed. Any kind of system we run will be flawed. But I think the good out weighs the bad.

Hmm, Riot, you think that the American soldiers who killed innocent Iraqi civilians should the death penalty? I mean, it was essentially murder. But I guess they get a free pass from punishment because they were "fighting terror."

There is a difference between those who killed someone in society with a choice vs. someone who killed someone in a war zone. Are you saying if I came into your house and murdered you you'd hold a US soldier who killed an Iraqi civilian that came charging at him chanting Allah?!? I think you'd change your whole tone about the death penatly if someone came into your family's house and murdered everyone in your family (besides you). You'd want that person dead instead of living in some prison for the rest of his life.

You and your conservatism are really becoming pathetic. You're so fixed on what a right-winger is "supposed" to think when you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

So I'm pathetic because I disagree with you? And because I'm so "fixed on what a right winnger is suppose to think". I don't have a clue? Why do all these debates end up in taking shots at me? I disagree with you. Believe it or not, some people hold different opinions on things. Someday maybe you'll learn that.

These debates on here are getting childish. I express my opinion in a respectful manner in these debates but all I get is insult after insult. Gloveguy, if you can't "behave" then I will simply leave the debate. Why can't you handle that some people have differnet views than you? If someone murdered my family or someone close to me you can bet that I'd want them dead. I'd kill them myself. I know you'd feel the same way too.

[Maaarf]

Really, how can you show so much compassion for those murdered, yet show lack of compassion for those who were innocent and put under death penalty. They were murdered too. You're so fixed on your opinion, you fail to look at both sides and realize that their are victims of death penalty.

You will never find a flawless justice system. Humans in general are flawed. Any kind of system we run will be flawed. But I think the good out weighs the bad.

You're saying that like it's nothing, "some innocent people will get killed, that's the price of it" What makes you any better then the killers who killed an innocent person when you do the same?



Hope everything will be OK with your dog.

[Laxation]

i have actually been to a prison with an excursion at school. we were able to chat to some prisoners and ask questions.
the main thing they hated with prison was the fact it was so boring. this is australia, so it may be different in the US, but basically they sit in a cell with their cellmate for 18-22hours per day, allowed out only for meals and cleaning duties.
They said rape wasnt unheard of, but it wasnt common either.

this was barwin prison, a high security prison in geelong.