Eminem

[Clinton]

I can't stop listening to the 8 Mile soundtrack. It's one of the best CDs I've ever bought. I'm starting to like this CD more than I ever liked the Slim Shady or Marshall Mathers LPs or The Eminem Show. I wish he did a couple of songs with Dre and Snoop on the soundtrack but the first appearences of NAS and Rakim on an Em album are well worth the wait. Their songs are the shit. Can't wait for 50 cent's CD. Rabbit Run is the best Eminem rap of all time.

[dave]

Yeah 8 mile is an awesome soudtrack. I think it's the best one I've heard, however, The first few songs on it are awesome... I like Love Me, that is an awesome song. I think I will buy 50 cent's album when it's out.

I don't particularly like the nas song.. it sounds like it was recorded badly and rakim's isn't great, although it's the first song of his that i've heard. As for Rabbit Run, I don't know if I could agree with you there. I must admit I've only listened to it a couple of times ( I keep restarting it after 5 or 6 songs) but it isn't that great in my opinion... maybe it just takes a bit of listening to.

I think I prefer the eminem show to 8 mile at th emoment though. Eminem Show is one of, if not, the best albums i've heard... marshall mathers lp is good also. The slim shady LP was good in it's day . I love a couple of the songs on there such as Bad Meets Evil.

Thanks for your thoughts on it anyway

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Dave

[Brave Sir Rubin]

I personaly hate that idiotic wigger who has no lyrics and no talent...all of his songs are either highly idiotic/ or just plain stupid....even when he tries to seem deep....he just can't...he's just some redneck idiot...

last thing i'll do is buy (or "buy") his album...

i prefer quality rap (DMX, Tupac, etc...) even though i don't listen to it as often as i listern to Rock. Reggae...

[Clinton]

That's crazy saying he hasn't got any talent!!! Do you think he would have the worldwide stardom he has if he didn't have talent? He is one of the most creative writers in rap today. I will admit that in his first couple of albums he made a lot of money being controversial. But his last couple of efforts he has put out some quality rhymes. Rabbit Run on the 8 Mile soundtrack is one of the best raps I have ever heard. He raps non stop for 3 minutes, no chorus. I think you don't have that much respect for him because you only see the singles he releases. There are 4 or 5 better songs on his CDs than the ones he releases.
Davo you should listen to the whole thing. 50 Cent's Wanksta is an awesome song and barring the Macy Gray song the rest are good songs. Gangstarr's and Young Zee's songs are pretty good.

[nBaMaN05]

They call me superman, leap tall hoes in a single bound...
I do know one thing though, bitches they come, they go, Saturday through Sunday Monday, Monday through Sunday yo...Till then just sit yo drunk ass on that fuckin runway hoe...
Eminem Show is his best!

[:digerati:]

That's crazy saying he hasn't got any talent!!! Do you think he would have the worldwide stardom he has if he didn't have talent?

Do you think Britney Spears is talented (not-physically)? how about N*Sync?

[tony-x]

without Dre producing those beats he'd be nothing...

[JuanDV]

without Dre producing those beats he'd be nothing...

Lol... he got talent.
He got a lot of fame killin them niggas on freestyle battles

[Clinton]

Without Dre producing those beats he'd be nothing.

There are a lot of rappers out there who have Dre to thank for their careers and every dollar they earnt. People don't only listen to the beats in songs. Em does all the songwriting and that's what he is so famous for. His imaginative and controversial lyrics have put him in the limelight. Could a guy with no talent put out 3 very successful albums, a record breaking movie and a great soundtrack to go with it? All this in how many years?

[Smooth]

OK,

I'm not exactly the biggest Eminem Fan...
But he has Skills,no doubt...
his lyrics are ok,his flow is good...
Pavel, DMX ain't no good rapper...u wanna listen to real good hip-hop ,dudes?

Check for these Tracks on the Net...
some of my fav tracks of all time:
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Gangstarr - Next Time,Militia,Dwyck and Mass Appeal,a.m.m..

Jeru the Damja - 99.9%,D.Original,U can't stop the Prophet,a.m.m..

GZA - Duel of the Iron Mic;Breaker,Breaker;Knock,Knock (from his upcoming album),a.m.m..

BigL - Put it on,No endz no Skinz,a.m.m..

Wu-Tang - Shame on a N****,Bring da Ruckus,Re-United,a.m.m
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this should be enough for now..if u guys want some more mp3s..hooK me up on icq:

147851991

[Brave Sir Rubin]

Pavel, DMX ain't no good rapper

it's all about taste really...

[Willie M.]

Pavel, DMX ain't no good rapper

it's all about taste really...

I agree, DMX might not be the best lyricist ever, but I like his music. Gets me hyped just before I play a game (with my team, on court, IRL).

Eminem is aight too, he can flow, and has great lyrics, weird sometimes, but they sound dope.

For me, Mykill Miers is the most underrated rapper, check him out. Dope tracks: Bash Brothers, Payback. Don't know if he is underrated in the US, but here in Europe he is.
Beatwise, I like almost everyhing by El-P, his cd was mad, just as the Cannibal Ox disc. Check those out, altough not everybody will like it, not really easy listening rap, so to speak.

[Smooth]

actually it's not about the taste guys...

dmx's flow sucks,his lyrics are shit,the ebats he raps on are produced in like 5 minutes,he's more of a shouter than a real rapper...and pavel since i think that u didnt listen too much good rap music u really don't know whatcha talkin' about...

MM is dope imo....
i don't like el-p much,though..his flow is pretty weird and his voice is wack imo...
to me the most underrated rapper of all time is INS...he's one of the 3 goats in hiphop imho...doesn't get much respect,though...

[Brave Sir Rubin]

actually it's not about the taste guys...

dmx's flow sucks,his lyrics are shit,the ebats he raps on are produced in like 5 minutes,he's more of a shouter than a real rapper...and pavel since i think that u didnt listen too much good rap music u really don't know whatcha talkin' about...

lol...how can it not be about taste? people like DMX becouse of their taste...true i don't listen to alot of rap, since rap is not the type of music i prefer to listen to...IT'S ALL ABOUT TASTE, anything in music is, you won't go bashing pop music fans just becouse you hate pop...that's their taste, you tell them how much pop sucks, they'll still hear it. Same with DMX, his lyrics might mean shit to you but they might mean something to another person...his beat might be misplaced and unstable for you, but another person might like that. You can't argue tastes, becouse no person would win that argument, you can't change a person's musical taste, it's something that's natural and naturaly changes over the years..not with the help of DMX bashers

[Smooth]

...

u said.."i prefer quality rap DMX,..."

well DMX ain't no quality rapper since his flow sucks and his lyrics are shit = ur statement is wrong...

i never bashed you for liking DMX's music...actually didn't bash you,afterall
all did was correcting your statement DMX's music is quality rap...

[:digerati:]

sigh...Smooth...Pavel IS right...DMX is quality rap to him

to you, DMX may have crappy flow and shitty lyrics, but to Pavel he doesn't...

When there's facts you can provide to say DMX sucks, you can...but for now you can't say Pavel's wrong because he disagrees with you and then use opinions to support your opinion...

[BIG GREEN]

...

u said.."i prefer quality rap DMX,..."

well DMX ain't no quality rapper since his flow sucks and his lyrics are shit = ur statement is wrong...

i never bashed you for liking DMX's music...actually didn't bash you,afterall
all did was correcting your statement DMX's music is quality rap...

tha is your opinion...not his

[TheBob]

That's what sucks about opinions, these days everyone has one and for the most part they are completly unfounded. For example, Pavel called Dmx quality rap when he admits to not listening to much rap. So in reality his opinion doesn't matter because it's completely unfounded. Don't get me wrong, everyone is allowed to have an opinion and there may not be any absolutly correct opinions. However, some opinions deffinetly are more correct or closer to the truth than others. Nothing personal Pavel, just wanted to make a point.

[MajaFiggaz_Early!]

IMO DMX is garbage.

X was a very hot rapper earlier him the "Hell Is Hot" Days. Now X just seems confused. I will never forget that Cash Money/Ruff Ryders Concert I went too, when I think he did "WHat These Bitches Want" RIGHT BEFORE he did the prayer. X Is confused as hell.

Beatwise I am liking Just Blaze & Kanye West along with Timbo, Dre & Alchemist. Even though I would like Primo to get a bit more involved in the rap game once again(If u know of any new hot Primo produced tracks holla)

By tha way doesn't Kanye West sound a bit like Twista?

[Smooth]

...

u said.."i prefer quality rap DMX,..."

well DMX ain't no quality rapper since his flow sucks and his lyrics are shit = ur statement is wrong...

i never bashed you for liking DMX's music...actually didn't bash you,afterall
all did was correcting your statement DMX's music is quality rap...

tha is your opinion...not his

i never talked about opinions...

if someone has a wack flow and wack lyrics he is not a quality rapper...and flow and lyrics are not things of taste...

[Smooth]

majafiggaz:

dunno if u heard of it..primo has his own record label now..he alreadysigned ex-screwball member poet (you know,the insane one )

[Brave Sir Rubin]

DAMN Smoot, you're so bloody ignorant

[DR. P]

Just a few observations:

A BIT ON OPINIONS

Bob you noted:

For example, Pavel called Dmx quality rap when he admits to not listening to much rap. So in reality his opinion doesn't matter because it's completely unfounded. Don't get me wrong, everyone is allowed to have an opinion and there may not be any absolutly correct opinions. However, some opinions deffinetly are more correct or closer to the truth than others. Nothing personal Pavel, just wanted to make a point.

This has got to be one of the most unfounded quotes I've heard in sometime. Not a knock on Bob or anything, but it's full of contradictions which take the legs right from under the argument. First you mention that Pavel's opinion "doesn't matter" because its unfounded, only to then say "everyone is allowed to have an opinion and ther may not be any absolutely correct opinions". An opinion is just that, a belief about something/someone which can result from a person's attitutide or judgment. Of course some may indeed be unfounded, but that in and of itself desn't make it invalid or have no consequence. If your opinion is subjective by default, although it can be based on fact, and cannot be "absolutely correct" then what makes Pavel's opinion matter any less than anyone elses? He doesn't have to listen to every rapper in history [which I'm sure no one here has] to form an opinion of one rapper in particular. Moreover the notion of "quality rap" in and of itself is an opinion of the person making the judgment, so what makes him or her any more of an authority than Pavel is? The simple answer is it does not. And no opinion is "closer to the truth" than an other since we can't generally test truth, only falsehood [at least empirically]. So you've actually only added to confusion as opposed to "...making a point". Pavel likes whom he likes, I like whom I like, and you like whom you like, but there's no magic quantity of time/exposure that you have to have to qualify your opinion especially on the issue of rap music. And Pavel's take is just as valid Smooth's, Maja's, Thug's, or anyone elses, in that it based upon subjectivity.


SOME TAKES ON DMX AND BEARISH TRENDS

I happen to like DMX, still think he's a quality rapper [contrary to posters here], but just think he's at a down time in his career. And I also find it ironic, that the same people who were pumping X, just a year or two ago, saying "get at me dog" or calling their homies "dog" 24/7, are now quick to jump ship when the ship isn't sailing so high, but I guess that's to be expected.

The way I see it is, you've gotta think about this one critically. How can you be on the top of your game when, your doing movies every chance you get, you just wrote a book entitled "E.A.R.L.", your in the middle of looking for a new label and record deal [rumor is he's leaving DEF Jam and the Ruff Ryders to start his own label entitled "Bloodline"], in a heated battle with Rule [over who failed to approach whom at a club], and reportedly having issues with drug use, spirituality, etc. I'd say to be even putting out a halfway decent album is a testament in and of itself. And some posters have to realize that DMX's subsequent albums are always going to be compared to his best album's, which almosts creates a virtual no win situation. Just ask Stallone with his movies after Rocky, or Michael Jackson after Thriller, or Prince after Purple Rain. The aforesaid artists and actors have never been able to capture that glory again, and this is not a stallone thing, or Even a DMX thing, its bigger than both of them and this is to be expected..

Remember when he made those initial albums he was a fresh face, a different voice, new flow/attitude, that many of us hadn't heard. Now, DMX is all over the place, in hollywood on the big screen, in Barnes & Nobles, etc. so maybe he's been over-exposed in the public market. That's not to make excuses for him, but only to point out the obvious. Just like Professional sports, your tenure in the rap game is [to quote the late great B.I.G.] "...short like lepprechauns [sp]". Even the best rappers have a short half-life, 2-5 years tops, and then your outta there. Jay-Z's feeling that crunch now as his sales are down from projections, DMX is currently feeling it, and I'm sure Rule and others will experience it. In fact, the only ones who seems like their not experiencing it is Shady, Pac, and Elvis who clearly seem to buck the dominant bearish trend. See you have to understand the business, to understand how these things play out. And DMX's career, at least in terms of rap, is starting to adhere to the statistical average.

Now, I believe he's got the "Will Smith Track" in mind and he's looking to parlay his rap career into a hollywood career, which is clearly taking a toll on his music. But I don't think his priority is with the rap game since he's already shown he can succed in that area. 2 million albums is still nothing to sneeze at.

[TheBob]

Ok here we go, you say that I contradicted myself by saying that the opinion doesn't matter and then saying that everyone can have an opinion and that there may not be any absolutly correct opinions. To me this doesn't seem like a contradiction. However, I should have clarified a bit more. What I was trying to say was that his argument doesn't matter. That is the statement he made is not a sound argument because it lacks any backing. So in a sense I see what you meant P. You stated that opinions are subjecttive and that's true, however some are much more subjective than others. I'd like to get away from the term "opinion" though because in reality people on this board are not mostly just declaring their opinions, most are in fact making arguments in order to back up their opinions. (I'm sure you understand this part ) You also stated that no opinions are closer to the truth than others. That's interesting, I'm not sure you fully thought about that comment though. Think about it this way, if I say that it is my opinion that Jordan was the best basketball player ever this may not be true but it would in fact be closer to the truth than if I declared myself the best basketball player. Lastly, I agree that everyone's opinion is valid to a certain extent but when it comes to arguments they are not all equal and some deffinetly are closer to the truth. I hope I didn't contradict myself near the end there.

[DR. P]

Interesting post bob, but I'd like to address just a few things you mentioned in the following quote:

You [Dr. P] also stated that no opinions are closer to the truth than others. That's interesting, I'm not sure you fully thought about that comment though. Think about it this way, if I say that it is my opinion that Jordan was the best basketball player ever this may not be true but it would in fact be closer to the truth than if I declared myself the best basketball player. Lastly, I agree that everyone's opinion is valid to a certain extent but when it comes to arguments they are not all equal and some deffinetly are closer to the truth.

OPINIONS, OPINIONS, OPINIONS....AND DID I MENTION OPINIONS?

Oh but I did think that statement through and please allow me to give you an accompaning analogy for pedagogical purposes. You note, "if I say that it is my opinion that Jordan was the best basketball player ever this may not be true but it would in fact be closer to the truth than if I declared myself the best basketball player". No in actuality it would not, since you have not specified which criterion your using to make that classification. Are you basing it on stats? Then wilt wins here. On rings? Then Russell wins here. On appeal? Then maybe jordan wins here, but clearly players like Shaq, Kobe, and AI are moving in quickly. Now once you've specified your criterion then we can actually make factual statements and even bypass opinions all together. For instance, I can say statistically, Wilt was the greatest player of all time. That's not an opinion but a factual statement given his numerical accolades. Hence, no opinion is needed. So really, you haven't drawn us any closer to truth with your statement, than if you did indeed declare yourself the greatest basketball player of all time. Because technically if we use the criterion of "[NBA live] basketball player" then you may indeed rank higher than Jordan. Catch my drift? Although that's a technicality, you can still see how it is the criterion that is important and not the evaluation/attitude in and of itself [which everyone presumably has]. What matter's here is that you cannot validate an opinion by its very nature, but you can validate a fact [via falsification]. So that distinction is important and necessary.

FACTS VS. VALUES AND OPINIONS...THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

Finally, you agreed with me that "...everyone's opinion is valid to a certain extent...", and not that this isn't the case, however "...when it comes to arguments they are not all equal and some deffinetly are closer to the truth. " Again, I would argue this is not the case since arguments are based more on the receipient and his/her ability and motivation to process your arguments than they are on the the merits of your arguments. For instance, if I'm not motivated to read your post then it wouldn't matter what your opinion was, it would be moot. Moreover, if I can't understand what your saying [whether its too complex or I'm just too buys] I'm also not likely to make sense of it. In these cases, I'd probably be more likely to say "Bob's cool" so I'll go along with him, or say "Bob writes alot" so I'll believe what he says. In either instance, it wouldn't mean that your points/opinions are more "valid" in a argument, it would only mean that I'm too lazy, or preoccupied to read through them all critically. I'm sure this very phenomenon probably happend in this thread as well [probably with some of my posts]. But that's not to say my opinions are any more valid or truthful than yours or pavel's only that they are qualitatively different in some aspects than other posters. So contrary to your contention, in an absolute sense arguments/opinions are relatively disinct but, they are neither truthful/false. They are merely our attitudes, likes, and dislikes which by their very nature don't lend themselves to verification. I mean how can you verify "I like Jordan" or "DMX sucks"? You simply can't because their opinions/attitudes. But you can indeed verify facts like "Michael Jordan was the greatest scorer in NBA history" or "DMX sells more albums than Ja Rule". Hopefully the distinction is clear here, and I apologize for the length.