Lebanon/Israel

Get ready for a long and pointless post...

If you want I can find you 500 pages of atrocities commited by Israel, research some more before you post

Nobody is saying that Isreal is a perfect nation, no country is. However, I would like to see this 500 page article you speak of. I'm calling your bluff becuase I know you post without direction.

it has been more than a month and israel, which has the strongest military in the world, has still been unable to defeeat a bunch of "untrained, weak army"

Isreal doesn't have the strongest army in the world, some of the shit you say is so rediculous its amazing.

thats completely different, the civil war is between the sunnis that are mostly in the north and the shias that are mostly in the south

You are confused with iraq...

just watch, once they unite and realize that they have a common foe, israels gonna get hell, and if another country in the mideast is to stand up against israel, they cant do anything, theyre not gonna be able to fight two wars at once, just look at the US

The us isnt fighting two wars alone. It's a coalition. And the us hasn't exhausted its military.

dudem how long does it take you to understand that i dont hate jews, im only angry at the israeli government

some of my best friends are jews, and my religion says to tolerate other religions

Cut the bullshit.

oh and benji, you double posted...

You of all people shouldn't be telling people on here how to post.

I've actually disagreed with two of his statements, one in this thread and one in another. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, or his argument technique. Hell, even if I did agree with him, how would that make me anti-Jewish? Jesus Christ dude, you find new ways to label me a racist in every post. And to that, I say bravo!

Jewsih is a religon, not a race therefore is not racism. How do you disagree with him? You don't. Whenever riot, ben or myself posts, you pick it apart (or the softer parts) to show your disagreement. Yet with his you don't. So quit being a fake and claiming to "disagree" with what he says.

Are you saying your posts aren't solid or logical? I disagree. I think your posts are well put together for the most part. I just disagree with what you're saying

What i was saying is i had one post in this thread which was directed at ammoattack that was sarcastic response.

The entire South is all but controlled by Hezbollah. I have a reason for the inverted commas as well. To me, it's apparent that the US doesn't care about democracy as much as it cares for having political influence in the middle east.

That i disagree with (but it's an interesting point of view). I think with Iraq, and afganistan, something had to be done. When hundreds of thousands of people get gassed and tortured in iraq by a dictator, someone has to step in and do somthing. When women are circumsised, treated like animals and any opposition is murdered, someone has to step in. If it took 9/11 to bring that to happen, then so be it. But the world is a better place sadaam not in power and with a much more democratic society in afganistan. You can question all the motives all you want, but nothing will change my mind about the end result.

Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese government, and has the majority of the support from the Lebanese people. If Nasrallah were to run in a democratic election, don't you think he would win? If that were to happen, there's no doubt in my mind that Israel, with the help of the US, would launch an attack on Lebanon. Hell, even the Iranian government under Khomeini was voted on democratically (this was Khomeini's decision, nearly all of Iran was in support of him). There was even a constitution that was voted on democratically. Yet, the US government would still rather have the Shah in power, who opressed his people. Why? Because Iran was strategic stronghold in the Middle East, a buffer zone against possible Soviet Invasion into the region. In other words---self-interest.

The russians know better then to fuck with america, look at what happened to the ussr. As for your point about being voted in democratically, well so was hitler.

Do you realize that the war has ended, yet the Israeli prisons are still in Hezbollah's custody? And now Israel is lobbying for negotiations with Hezbollah for a prisoner exchange! How rediculous is this? Turn the clock back a little over a month. The same result could have been reached, while 1500 Israeli and Lebanese lives could have been saved.

I know, but it doesnt make it anymore right. I'd like to see what the family of the murdered little girl and man by the terrorist think if he is released. Yay for hezbollah. Maybe the us should just nuke the whole area. That may have been harsh, but what kind of civilised nation openly condones and celebrates a pre teen girl having to watch her father murdered before she herself is murdered? And then they abduct isreali solders on their own land and demand the person who murdered them to be relelased. And then the world sides with them? Are people idiots?

Hezbollah would have no problem fighting on the ground. Quite a bit of Israeli soldiers were killed during the battle. Why? Not rockets...not bombs...but ground war. Personally, I find dropping bombs from planes that Hezbollah CAN'T SHOOT DOWN is just as cowardly as using human shield tactics.

You think hiding behind an aeroplane just as bad as hiding behind civillians?

The US provides weapons to Israel to "protect themselves in a hostile region." Funny how Israel is the one involved in most of the hostilities

Alot of blacks were beaten and tortured during the slavery, does that mean becuase they were involved in violence they were also violent? Just becuase you are hated doesnt mean you are the aggressors.

And buddy, 50% of Americans disagree with US foreign policy. You want to tell them that they're hypocrites for living here? Go ahead, I'm sure you'll get a warm response.

Disagreeing with foreign policy is one thing, but to say "the us gives missiles to isreal to kill civillians" is another.

Admittedly, some of the stuff I said, I wrote without even thinking

It would have been better if i said that Israel was one of the strongest armys in the world...

Matthew, I'll respond to your post later tonight when I have the time. However, here is a little website that has a good amount of information regarding Zionists and how the state of Israel was founded.

http://www.angelfire.com/ia/palestinefoever/index.html

What an interesting URL. "Palestine fo' ever". I suggest not to visit that site to all people who have the opposite of a constricted comprehension towards simple facts.

Matthew, I'll respond to your post later tonight when I have the time. However, here is a little website that has a good amount of information regarding Zionists and how the state of Israel was founded.

http://www.angelfire.com/ia/palestinefoever/index.html

I would click on that link but I'm afraid of the NSA.

Nobody is saying that Isreal is a perfect nation, no country is. However, I would like to see this 500 page article you speak of. I'm calling your bluff becuase I know you post without direction.

See the URL I posted above.

Isreal doesn't have the strongest army in the world, some of the shit you say is so rediculous its amazing.

Correct

thats completely different, the civil war is between the sunnis that are mostly in the north and the shias that are mostly in the south

You are confused with iraq...[/quote]

You're the one who is confused. I already stated in my last post that the Civil War was not just between Sunnis and Shiites. Also, in Iraq, it's the Kurds who are in the north.

just watch, once they unite and realize that they have a common foe, israels gonna get hell, and if another country in the mideast is to stand up against israel, they cant do anything, theyre not gonna be able to fight two wars at once, just look at the US

The us isnt fighting two wars alone. It's a coalition. And the us hasn't exhausted its military.[/quote]

That's true, the US is still the strongest military regardless of how many wars it's fighting. However, Israel's army is not. Unless the US would like to step in (which I don't doubt), Israel could have a problem fighting 2 wars.

dudem how long does it take you to understand that i dont hate jews, im only angry at the israeli government

some of my best friends are jews, and my religion says to tolerate other religions

Cut the bullshit.[/quote]

This is what irks me the most about you. To me, it's obvious that Amo is not anti-Jewish, he's anti-Israel (government). Do you not realize that Judaism is the closest religion there is to Islam? And Hebrew is the closest language there is to Arabic? Hell, Jews and Arabs even look somewhat alike.

I'm sure you've heard the term "anti-Semetic" before. Have you ever wondered what a Semite really is? The definition:

A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Arabs and Jews are very similar people. Being Anti-Jewish would just be idiotic, so stop saying it.

I've actually disagreed with two of his statements, one in this thread and one in another. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, or his argument technique. Hell, even if I did agree with him, how would that make me anti-Jewish? Jesus Christ dude, you find new ways to label me a racist in every post. And to that, I say bravo!

Jewsih is a religon, not a race therefore is not racism. How do you disagree with him? You don't. Whenever riot, ben or myself posts, you pick it apart (or the softer parts) to show your disagreement. Yet with his you don't. So quit being a fake and claiming to "disagree" with what he says.[/quote]

Well Jews are classified as an ethnic group. Hitler classified anybody who had "Jewish blood" in them as a Jew, be it their mother or great uncle. I believe that hate against Jews is racism, though some may not agree. But that's not even important. I don't feel like I need to "pick apart" Amo's posts because he expresses the same general opinion I do; this war should never have happened. Whatever else he says is not my business and is between him and yourself. Not to mention I have better things to do than try to comprehend his grammar.

The entire South is all but controlled by Hezbollah. I have a reason for the inverted commas as well. To me, it's apparent that the US doesn't care about democracy as much as it cares for having political influence in the middle east.

That i disagree with (but it's an interesting point of view). I think with Iraq, and afganistan, something had to be done. When hundreds of thousands of people get gassed and tortured in iraq by a dictator, someone has to step in and do somthing. When women are circumsised, treated like animals and any opposition is murdered, someone has to step in. If it took 9/11 to bring that to happen, then so be it. But the world is a better place sadaam not in power and with a much more democratic society in afganistan. You can question all the motives all you want, but nothing will change my mind about the end result.[/quote]

I don't disagree with the decision to go into Afghanistan. A government that had thousands of American blood on their hands had to go down. However, I still to this day question the decision to go into Iraq. 3400 civilians died in July in Iraq...unbelievable amount. It's worse than it's ever been. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Saddam is no longer in power. He committed atrocities to his own people and Iranians for years. But I am afraid that Iraq is the start to the US going to Syria, Iran, and other mid-east countries just to set up a "Pro-US Democratic Government."

Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese government, and has the majority of the support from the Lebanese people. If Nasrallah were to run in a democratic election, don't you think he would win? If that were to happen, there's no doubt in my mind that Israel, with the help of the US, would launch an attack on Lebanon. Hell, even the Iranian government under Khomeini was voted on democratically (this was Khomeini's decision, nearly all of Iran was in support of him). There was even a constitution that was voted on democratically. Yet, the US government would still rather have the Shah in power, who opressed his people. Why? Because Iran was strategic stronghold in the Middle East, a buffer zone against possible Soviet Invasion into the region. In other words---self-interest.

The russians know better then to fuck with america, look at what happened to the ussr. As for your point about being voted in democratically, well so was hitler.[/quote]

You don't understand. What I was saying is that one of the main reasons the US wanted a "Pro-West" government in Iran was because it provided a buffer zone between the USSR and the Middle-East. I don't think I have to remind you that the USSR was one of the two superpowers in the world at the time.

Do you realize that the war has ended, yet the Israeli prisons are still in Hezbollah's custody? And now Israel is lobbying for negotiations with Hezbollah for a prisoner exchange! How rediculous is this? Turn the clock back a little over a month. The same result could have been reached, while 1500 Israeli and Lebanese lives could have been saved.

I know, but it doesnt make it anymore right. I'd like to see what the family of the murdered little girl and man by the terrorist think if he is released. Yay for hezbollah. Maybe the us should just nuke the whole area. That may have been harsh, but what kind of civilised nation openly condones and celebrates a pre teen girl having to watch her father murdered before she herself is murdered? And then they abduct isreali solders on their own land and demand the person who murdered them to be relelased. And then the world sides with them? Are people idiots?
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OK, that's tragic how those people died. It's even more tragic how 1500 civilians died. Do you think the murdered little girl and man wanted hundreds of innocent Israeli and Lebanese dead? I wouldn't think so.

Hezbollah would have no problem fighting on the ground. Quite a bit of Israeli soldiers were killed during the battle. Why? Not rockets...not bombs...but ground war. Personally, I find dropping bombs from planes that Hezbollah CAN'T SHOOT DOWN is just as cowardly as using human shield tactics.

You think hiding behind an aeroplane just as bad as hiding behind civillians?[/quote]

It doesn't matter! Both tactics are cowardly, and both tactics should never have been used because this war should never have been.

The US provides weapons to Israel to "protect themselves in a hostile region." Funny how Israel is the one involved in most of the hostilities

Alot of blacks were beaten and tortured during the slavery, does that mean becuase they were involved in violence they were also violent? Just becuase you are hated doesnt mean you are the aggressors.[/quote]

Terrible analogy...were the slaves better equipped than the slave owners? The situations aren't even close.

And buddy, 50% of Americans disagree with US foreign policy. You want to tell them that they're hypocrites for living here? Go ahead, I'm sure you'll get a warm response.

Disagreeing with foreign policy is one thing, but to say "the us gives missiles to isreal to kill civillians" is another.[/quote]

OK, let me re-phrase that; the US gives missiles to Israel, and Israel kills civilians with those missiles. The US is supplying those missiles. I disagree with the US supplying those milles to Israel that are used to kill civilians. Therefore, I disagree with US foreign policy. Please be patient while I put my house for sale and pack my bags.

Let me clear this up:

When I said that Israel has the strongest military in the world, I didnt mean it like that...

I meant that the Israeli army has the help of, even though its not at its top glory, American army, and with the Americans help to an already strong army, Israel has th eability to be the strongest military in teh world.


To 8-Hype, Matthew, and Benji: I could also make cases against you saying that you are anti-Arab, so dont call us anti-Jewish without any proof whatsoever.


Finally, the Israeli spokesperson said in a news conference a couple days back that they woulnt allow Malaysia to send 15,000 troops to Lebanon in aid, and said that they would not allow any Arab or Muslim countries to aid Lebanon, and only countries that Israel is allied with can send aid to Lebanon...

This is injustice at its greatest...

I can't believe we have people saying that using airplanes is cowardly and a cheap tactic.

Finally, the Israeli spokesperson said in a news conference a couple days back that they woulnt allow Malaysia to send 15,000 troops to Lebanon in aid, and said that they would not allow any Arab or Muslim countries to aid Lebanon, and only countries that Israel is allied with can send aid to Lebanon...

Are you serious?

I can't believe we have people saying that using airplanes is cowardly and a cheap tactic.

Riot, when you're fighting a group that's greatest weapon is an innacurate rocket, then yes, it is cowardly to shoot missiles and drop bombs from airplanes. But it's a tactic that Israel uses, just as setting up rocket sites in the city is one of Hezbollah's tactics. What, you want them to set up rocket sites in the middle of an open field?

I can't believe we have people saying that using airplanes is cowardly and a cheap tactic.

Riot, when you're fighting a group that's greatest weapon is an innacurate rocket, then yes, it is cowardly to shoot missiles and drop bombs from airplanes. But it's a tactic that Israel uses, just as setting up rocket sites in the city is one of Hezbollah's tactics. What, you want them to set up rocket sites in the middle of an open field?

I didn't realize that there was a rule that each side had to equal in firepower. I don't know how you can fault Israel for having more money and resources. I guess America should take away all it's high powered equipment from our troops in Iraq and let them walk around Iraq with AK-47's? Hell, do they even need body armor? The Iraqi's don't have them so they shouldn't either. Having body armor is cowardly!

You, my friend, just had the lowest insult of the debate. I can understand why you don't like Israel but calling airplanes cowardly? Oh my god.

I feel i could have this discussion forever....

Nobody is saying that Isreal is a perfect nation, no country is. However, I would like to see this 500 page article you speak of. I'm calling your bluff becuase I know you post without direction.

The palestine forever? Oh yeah that must be an unbiased view on things. And people have the nerve to criticise foxnews.

You're the one who is confused. I already stated in my last post that the Civil War was not just between Sunnis and Shiites. Also, in Iraq, it's the Kurds who are in the north.

I didn't say you were confused, I said amo is confused. Dont quote me saying somthing directly towrads amo as me saying it towards you.

That's true, the US is still the strongest military regardless of how many wars it's fighting. However, Israel's army is not. Unless the US would like to step in (which I don't doubt), Israel could have a problem fighting 2 wars.

Well currently there is a ceasefire, so isreal is involved in no wars (unless if they have troops in iraq or afganistan..)

This is what irks me the most about you. To me, it's obvious that Amo is not anti-Jewish, he's anti-Israel (government).

Hmmm:
"Hezbullah is not fighting a terroristic battle, they are doing nothing but defending their country from the Israel government...

Israel is simply attacking Lebanon with no real knowledge of where the Hezbullah fighters are, because of the reason that Hezbullah are ordinary people who are fighting for ajust cause, and that is to defend themselves from a terroristic nation by the name of Israel. Hezbullah is supported by almost every citizen of the state of Lebanon. They feel more safe with Hezbullah defending them than they do with Israel supposedly "liberating" them.

And you're all mad at Syria and Iran for supplying weapons to Hezbullah, when the US is doing the same exact thing. The United States is giving Israel bombs and ammo for the purpose of killing innocent civilians. Period."
That doesnt strike you as being the slightest bit anti jewish? Surely you can read between the lines there...

Do you not realize that Judaism is the closest religion there is to Islam? And Hebrew is the closest language there is to Arabic? Hell, Jews and Arabs even look somewhat alike.

I'm sure you've heard the term "anti-Semetic" before. Have you ever wondered what a Semite really is? The definition:

A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Arabs and Jews are very similar people. Being Anti-Jewish would just be idiotic, so stop saying it.

I think this strikes a raw nerve with you becuase 1) the truth hurts, and 2) you see how irrational it is. The bottom line is though when you and amo make statements like "the jewish influence in america is bad" that makes you anti jewish. I don't care how you want to try and sugercoat it later on, or deny it. Its like if i say " the black people in the nba are bad" and then try to justify it by showing the similarities of whites and blacks.

Well Jews are classified as an ethnic group. Hitler classified anybody who had "Jewish blood" in them as a Jew, be it their mother or great uncle. I believe that hate against Jews is racism, though some may not agree. But that's not even important.

Well if Hitler said it, it must be right. Seriously, a religon doesn't mean a race. The same goes for Christianity and Muslims.

I don't feel like I need to "pick apart" Amo's posts because he expresses the same general opinion I do; this war should never have happened. Whatever else he says is not my business and is between him and yourself. Not to mention I have better things to do than try to comprehend his grammar.

God, how many times can you contradict yourself. You say you disagree with amo, now you claim that you both have the same general opinion.

I don't disagree with the decision to go into Afghanistan. A government that had thousands of American blood on their hands had to go down. However, I still to this day question the decision to go into Iraq. 3400 civilians died in July in Iraq...unbelievable amount. It's worse than it's ever been. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Saddam is no longer in power. He committed atrocities to his own people and Iranians for years. But I am afraid that Iraq is the start to the US going to Syria, Iran, and other mid-east countries just to set up a "Pro-US Democratic Government."

Most of the iraqi casualities arent from coalition forces, they are from terrorists (most of whom have entered the country from places like iran). As for the "pro us government", they have elections. The iraqi constition was written by iraqi's. its not like george bush faxed them over a copy of the us constitution and put ex senators in the iraq parliament.

You don't understand. What I was saying is that one of the main reasons the US wanted a "Pro-West" government in Iran was because it provided a buffer zone between the USSR and the Middle-East. I don't think I have to remind you that the USSR was one of the two superpowers in the world at the time.

And look at how it crumbled, that was my point.

OK, that's tragic how those people died. It's even more tragic how 1500 civilians died. Do you think the murdered little girl and man wanted hundreds of innocent Israeli and Lebanese dead? I wouldn't think so.

No but there comes a time when you simply cant negoitate anymore. You before defended the idea of the kidnapping of the soldiers, and you were 100% with that line of thinking.

It doesn't matter! Both tactics are cowardly, and both tactics should never have been used because this war should never have been.

So the Isrealies should not be entitled to defend themselves when their soldiers are kidnapped? Or even better, as you would say, let someone who murders a little girls father in front of her then kills her should walk free. You have no idea how french you sound.

Terrible analogy...were the slaves better equipped than the slave owners? The situations aren't even close.

No analogy is perfect. My point was just becuase someone hates you, doesnt mean you contributed to it. You can be hated for no reason. You can be attacked for no reason. Defeding yourself does not make you violent.

OK, let me re-phrase that; the US gives missiles to Israel, and Israel kills civilians with those missiles. The US is supplying those missiles. I disagree with the US supplying those milles to Israel that are used to kill civilians. Therefore, I disagree with US foreign policy. Please be patient while I put my house for sale and pack my bags.

If you feel that bad about the situation, maybe you should.

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Finally, the Israeli spokesperson said in a news conference a couple days back that they woulnt allow Malaysia to send 15,000 troops to Lebanon in aid, and said that they would not allow any Arab or Muslim countries to aid Lebanon, and only countries that Israel is allied with can send aid to Lebanon...


Are you serious?

Yes, Jim Lehrer, Thursday the 17th

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This is what irks me the most about you. To me, it's obvious that Amo is not anti-Jewish, he's anti-Israel (government).

Hmmm:
"Hezbullah is not fighting a terroristic battle, they are doing nothing but defending their country from the Israel government...

Israel is simply attacking Lebanon with no real knowledge of where the Hezbullah fighters are, because of the reason that Hezbullah are ordinary people who are fighting for ajust cause, and that is to defend themselves from a terroristic nation by the name of Israel. Hezbullah is supported by almost every citizen of the state of Lebanon. They feel more safe with Hezbullah defending them than they do with Israel supposedly "liberating" them.

And you're all mad at Syria and Iran for supplying weapons to Hezbullah, when the US is doing the same exact thing. The United States is giving Israel bombs and ammo for the purpose of killing innocent civilians. Period."

That doesnt strike you as being the slightest bit anti jewish? Surely you can read between the lines there...

I didnt even mention the word Jewish in there...

No but there comes a time when you simply cant negoitate anymore.

Thats exactly what Hezbullah is feeling too...

don't feel like I need to "pick apart" Amo's posts because he expresses the same general opinion I do; this war should never have happened. Whatever else he says is not my business and is between him and yourself. Not to mention I have better things to do than try to comprehend his grammar.

Actually, this past month, I won my schools award for excellence in English Literature, Grammar, and Reading Comprehension...

The only thing is that when I type fast I make many mistakes, typos, and I dont bother to check it again...

Finally, most religious Jews actually denounce the state of Israel, and the concept of Zionism. Jews believe that because of a mistake their people made during the times of Jesus, they lost the privelege of being allowed to enter the Promised Land, a land solely for the Jewish population. In the late 1800's a man, I will find his name later, brought up the concept of Zionism in which there would be a land of the Jewish People. Eventually, in 1967, Israel found a land, however, it was already inhabited by the Palestinians. The Israeli government pushed the many Palestinians out of the land into what is now Jordan, and killed many of them as well. Thus, is the reason that many people say that Israel was founded on genocide...
However, it is too late now, Israel has the right to exist, they didnt deserve to exist, but there is no point in trying to get them to give up their land now. What needs to be done, is for Israel to stop terrorizing the Palestinians, and to be peaceful in their communications with other Arab countries...

Well, I think the world would be a better and safer place without Hezbollah than without Israel. And in the end that is all that matters.

Amo, for someone with such a good interpretation of the english language, you do seem to fail on such basic concepts such as sarcism and implication.

Matthew,

I'm going to stop with the whole responding to every point thing, as neither of us are going to change our minds on the matter. Calling me an anti-Jew doesn't anger me. It doesn't even frustrate me. It does disappoint me that you, who is clearly an intellectual guy, has to label me a racist to try to prove a point. It's unneccessary and inappropriate to bring up that sort of thing in a political debate. Whatever...I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Riot, Israel has killed more Lebanese and Palestinians than Hezbollah has killed Israelis. From your perspective, yes, Israel would not attack the US, so it's safer to you. People in the Arab world have a different perspective. I believe that Israel should not exist in the Middle East, but they're their to stay, and that's not going to change. I just wish that both sides would make more than a half-ass attempt to keep peace. Sometimes war is neccessary, but this was not the case. It just makes me wonder...1500 civilians are dead, and Hezbollah is more popular today than it has ever been. What was accomplished during this war? That's what bugs me.

I guess the difference between me and you is that I do not support terrorist groups under any circumstance. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is represented by a man who has publicly stated his hatred for Jewish people. I don't know how you can root for someone like that.

I guess the difference between me and you is that I do not support terrorist groups under any circumstance. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is represented by a man who has publicly stated his hatred for Jewish people. I don't know how you can root for someone like that.

I think the difference is that I have a different definition of what a terrorist group is. I don't think that a militant group, however Arab they may be, is automatically a terrorist organization. I believe that Hezbollah is protecting the Lebanese and Palestinian people. I know they use questionable methods that sometimes put their own people in jeopardy, but they're successful in keeping Israel out of Lebanon (for now).

I still love you, though.

You are right. All the terrorist bombings and murders they did in the 70's, 80's and 90's should be ignored. They are a terrorist group and they have been for years. They are just using this conflict to get the support of the people but as soon as it is over they will crush the Lebanese people like terrorists do. If you think they are changed you will be mistaken down the road. Hezbollah is a dangerous organization that needs to be stopped before they get their hands on some serious power. The last thing we want is another terrorist state going up in the Middle East, especially since the recent victories over Saddam and the Taliban.

You are right. All the terrorist bombings and murders they did in the 70's, 80's and 90's should be ignored. They are a terrorist group and they have been for years. They are just using this conflict to get the support of the people but as soon as it is over they will crush the Lebanese people like terrorists do. If you think they are changed you will be mistaken down the road. Hezbollah is a dangerous organization that needs to be stopped before they get their hands on some serious power. The last thing we want is another terrorist state going up in the Middle East, especially since the recent victories over Saddam and the Taliban.

For some reason, I think you're a little ignorant when it comes to Hezbollah's history. Hezbollah wasn't even around in the 70s. Hezbollah first emerged in 1982 with the occupation of Southern Lebanon and Beirut by Israel. Hezbollah was created with the help of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in order to drive Israel out, as well as help Palestine in their efforts to become a recognized state. American and other western troops were in Lebanon as part of a UN peace-keeping force. That's when Hezbollah attacked the US Marine Barracks and Embassy. Now, I'll be the first to say that killing so many American troops like they did, using a car bomb is a crummy thing to do. Is targetting American troops on Lebanese soil an act of terrorism? That's debateable.

If you would look at any of the two websites I've showed you, you would see who the real terrorist organization is. Israel has and continues to murder Lebanese and Palestinians. Israel continues to imprison thousands of Lebanese and Palestinians. Israel has displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians by force.

They are just using this conflict to get the support of the people but as soon as it is over they will crush the Lebanese people like terrorists do.

Wrong again. Hezbollah has had supporters long before this recent conflict. They've won civilians over through running schools, running hospitals, providing financial help, security, etc etc. You're telling me they've spent 20 years providing these services, just to "crush the Lebanese people"? They don't need the support, but ironically, this recent conflict has made them more popular than ever.

If you think they are changed you will be mistaken down the road. Hezbollah is a dangerous organization that needs to be stopped before they get their hands on some serious power.

I think the US government will be mistaken down the road. Israel and Hezbollah aren't going to stop fighting anytime soon. The more the rest of the world sees pointless civilian deaths, the more they will criticize Israel, and therefore criticize the US and UK for backing Israel. Radicalists (Al Qaeda) will continue to attack civilian targets, and when the US needs foreign support the most, it won't be there. The US needs to tell Israel to back off, and if they don't, we could all be in a lot of trouble.