Death penalty. Yes or no?

[Riot]

Really, how can you show so much compassion for those murdered, yet show lack of compassion for those who were innocent and put under death penalty. They were murdered too. You're so fixed on your opinion, you fail to look at both sides and realize that their are victims of death penalty.

You will never find a flawless justice system. Humans in general are flawed. Any kind of system we run will be flawed. But I think the good out weighs the bad.

You're saying that like it's nothing, "some innocent people will get killed, that's the price of it" What makes you any better then the killers who killed an innocent person when you do the same?



Hope everything will be OK with your dog.

It's not that I don't care, because I really do. However, I feel that people who committ those crimes deserve to die. But no matter what we do innocent lives die. In WW2 innocent lives were lost but overall the cause was good. Humans are flawed therefore our judgement is flawed. Mistakes happen. But I think 95 dead guilty people is worth the price.

Would my stance change if one of my family members was unfairly killed? Probably. I don't know though...I just think no matter what we do there will be flaws and I just believe that if you do something that horrible they shouldn't live. Being a live is the ultimate thing to be thankful for. If you are alive you are better than some other people who simply aren't. If the innocent people they killed (with bad intentions) can't live then they shouldn't either.

[hipn]

People who kill and rape and other stuff do NOT deserve to get hot meals and a nice place to sleep while the people they have killed are dead, and the people they raped are scared to leave their houses or w/e. People in prison are put there because they have broken the law and done something really bad, not to get free hot meals and shit. Im not saying they should be tortured, but Im saying the peole in prison should go through things that make them feel real bad about what they did and make them feel exaclty how the targets/victims felt, scared, hurt, and everything. I mean, if you got raped... wouldnt you be scared shit-list? If you got killed, your life ends right there. Even though the victim's life ended, the murderer shouldn't get killed or w/e, because they got nothing to lose. The only reason people kill or rape or w/e is because hey are messed, they are confused, and very... ummm very...you get my point, they aren't considered "normal". I have no idea where this is going, but the murderer or rapist shouldn't get a death penalty, but instead go through tasks that make them feel like they want to end their lives as soon as possible, and going throught that for like 10years straight is serious stuff, because it makes you feel like you're dying.

[Riot]

I don't get your stance, hipn. At first, it seemed like you were for the death penalty. Then at the end you said you were against it. Can you clarify what your position is on the matter?

For me it's simple (and maybe that isn't a good thing), if you ended someone else's life, on purpose, the court should be able to say you don't deserve to live and your life is over. You have remember, people who are put on death row can wait up to 15 years before they are actually killed. So for the most part, if there is a mishap and the person really is innocent they have time to determine that. But for the most part, when a case is closed it really isn't opened again.

[cyanide]

the murderer or rapist shouldn't get a death penalty, but instead go through tasks that make them feel like they want to end their lives as soon as possible, and going throught that for like 10years straight is serious stuff, because it makes you feel like you're dying.

While they can become desensitized to prison life, it'd be fitting if their environment continually causes them to miss the old way of life. I think the 'hot meals' and 'nice place to sleep' is a little too idealistic when those hot meals may as well be shitty cafeteria slop and the nice place is a jail cell surrounded by bars and concrete walls.

If that's the case, these guys will suffer in prison, and if it has such a strong impact, it may very well be more psychologically damaging than the murder act they have committed. Kinda makes the death pentalty more desirable.

[Riot]

Let me ask you guys this:

If you could choose, would you rather die or stay in prison for your whole life? I can safely assume that most of you would take life in prison. Why? Because it's human nature to survive. The worse thing you can do to someone is end their life. I think those who deserve such punishment deserve to have their lives taken from them.

[J@3]

Ah Riot's take on prison, because he's in the know.

I have a close relative who's spent more than 2 years in prison, I've heard basically everything he experienced in there from murder attempts to group bashings to the stale food that they have to eat every single week. You seem to think prison is just a cafeteria with bedrooms.

[Riot]

I don't know about max security prisons, but prisons in America aren't excatly awful. In fact, homeless commit crimes so they can get into prison for the food and a place to stay. Can't be too bad if people want to go there, can it?

[cyanide]

Let me ask you guys this:

If you could choose, would you rather die or stay in prison for your whole life?

If it's a life sentence, I'd probably rather die since prison is death. I don't think I could spend the rest of my life secluded from society, women, the bonds of family, and the diversity of life in favor of soley eating, sleeping, and working, while being confined into countless hours of my life in a small enclosed area, thinking about the shame and guilt that will haunt me and torment me psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually for the rest of my freaking life.

Give me death!

[Riot]

So you are telling me you'd choose death over life? I just don't think in that circumstance you guys would. To me, atleast, I'd always choose life over death. Unless torture or something is included in the life.

But this is an AMERICAN PRISON. That doesn't mean it isn't bad, but it's not like they beat you and make you recieve anal pentration from horses.

[cyanide]

If I were to spend the rest of my life in jail, I'd rather die, because really, I'm contributing nothing to society, and nothing to my life. If you ever placed yourself into that situation, there would be nothing purposeful about living. The only way these guys would rather live is out of fear of death. Simple as that.

It doesn't mean an American prison is good either You gotta take into consideration the psychological factors that prison could do to an individual, regardless of circumstances.

[Colin]

If I were to spend the rest of my life in jail, I'd rather die, because really, I'm contributing nothing to society, and nothing to my life. If you ever placed yourself into that situation, there would be nothing purposeful about living. The only way these guys would rather live is out of fear of death. Simple as that.

I don't know if this is the point your going for, but people with people that end up in prison. Do you really think they care about contributing to society?

[Riot]

Breathing is a purpose in itself.

I'd take breathing over not breathing. Simple as that. Right?

I'm sure being in prison isn't very fun, but I'm sure they get a lot of masterbation time.

[Cable]

You don't need to go to prison for that when we have Andrew right here.

[hipn]

Let me ask you guys this:

If you could choose, would you rather die or stay in prison for your whole life?

If it's a life sentence, I'd probably rather die since prison is death. I don't think I could spend the rest of my life secluded from society, women, the bonds of family, and the diversity of life in favor of soley eating, sleeping, and working, while being confined into countless hours of my life in a small enclosed area, thinking about the shame and guilt that will haunt me and torment me psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually for the rest of my freaking life.

Give me death!

If you are starting to serve you sentencing, then you'd chose to go to jail, but while psending time in jail, after a couple of years, you'd want to die instead of living there for th rest of your life.

[cyanide]

I don't know if this is the point your going for, but people with people that end up in prison. Do you really think they care about contributing to society?

I don't think they'd care whether they're contribute to society or not; it's not the act that's the purpose itself, but the internal factors. My point was it'd be difficult for them to find meaning in life when there's nothing to look forward to.

If you are starting to serve you sentencing, then you'd chose to go to jail, but while psending time in jail, after a couple of years, you'd want to die instead of living there for th rest of your life.

From what I've heard, the first week is the most difficult, simply because it's a major shock/transitioning period, before they finally become desensitized. There might be a breaking point where they can't take it anymore, or when they're ready to die over several years... but it depends on the individual, I guess.

[iG®]

Only thing that Riot and I are get along, probably only one .

Hey, they took someone else's life so they shouldn't have the privilege of living their own.

There's always an option that they can escape from jail, and I don't see puting some jackasses in it as punishment. They took someones life away, ruined victims mother, father, brother, sister lifes.... So, dead penalty. And I agree with others, it should be used in extreme cases.

[hipn]

Death Penalty... not Dead Penalty

[GloveGuy]

Have you ever been to prison? They get a place to sleep and hot meals. That's more than the person they killed is getting.

In that statement, you're almost inferring that you've been to prison -- and you liked it! You haven't. Everything is worse. You're treated like a fucking ninth class citizen. I really have no more to say about the difference between spending your life in a shithole, opposed to spending your life in spirituality. Opinions differ.

You will never find a flawless justice system. Humans in general are flawed. Any kind of system we run will be flawed. But I think the good out weighs the bad.

Which is why something so severe and literally irerasable should not exist. What good is there in the Death Penalty? Who wins? Who's happy when it's over. I'm never joyous when I hear of a murder; however, executions never bring out any content either.

There is a difference between those who killed someone in society with a choice vs. someone who killed someone in a war zone. Are you saying if I came into your house and murdered you you'd hold a US soldier who killed an Iraqi civilian that came charging at him chanting Allah?!?

You're making a sweeping generalization and judgement that that's how every Iraqi casualty has been. You're wrong. However, it's not fair to the topic to get into this.

I think you'd change your whole tone about the death penatly if someone came into your family's house and murdered everyone in your family (besides you). You'd want that person dead instead of living in some prison for the rest of his life.

If we're going to look at this un-biasedly, it's important to regard it through an opinion without history. I mean, if you had a family member who was killed by Death Penalty, then later found innocent, your sentiment would change too. Me, I'm looking at this from all angles. I suggest you do too.

[Bang]

See the thing is. Society can function ok without the death penalty. Basically the ideological, financial and ethical effort for keeping the death penalty is not worth it when we have a suitable substitution.

[Andrew]

Count me in as someone who's only for it in the most open and shut, beyond a shadow of a doubt cases. The vengeful side of human nature makes the thought of an eye for an eye appealing, but I think life imprisonment is just as fitting a punishment.

We may be past the era of chaining prisoners up in dingy cells with nothing but stale bread and water, but that doesn't mean their place to sleep is a comfortable or friendly one and it doesn't mean their hot meals are gourmet cuisine. We've abandoned torture chambers and cruelty to criminals in custody but I can't imagine life in prison is particularly comfortable or enjoyable.

Forget the cliched stories of beatings and rape for a moment; the simple fact they do not have the freedom that the rest of us do is going to take its toll sooner rather than later. They do have some comforts but a beer on Christmas Day (as is apparently the custom in most Australian prisons) is hardly meeting up with your mates on a regular basis for a few beers or partying with friends and whatnot. You might not be taking away their life, but you are taking away their "life".

If the death penalty is to be used, I think it should only be used in cases where there's no doubt whatsoever about a person's guilt. As it happens, the last man person to be hanged in Australia was likely innocent, as further investigation revealed his past made him a convenient scapegoat for a crime he couldn't really have committed. That was quite an interesting story, actually; I hope they show it again on the History channel soon.