Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:53 am
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Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:12 pm
Me in the other thread wrote:Actually, everyone that age in those days had to be part of the Hitler Youth. They had no choice.
Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:34 pm
Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:37 pm
DoobieKnicks wrote:oooo well a nazi pope , nothing wrong with that . only a couple jewish deaths and thats about it.
Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:42 pm
Jae wrote:ARGHAOPDFJPDJOAKD FPOJSOFJSFMe in the other thread wrote:Actually, everyone that age in those days had to be part of the Hitler Youth. They had no choice.
Give the guy a break, people are acting asthough he strapped on a swastika badge and gassed some Jews or something.
Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:49 pm
The truth is that as Ratzinger mentions himself in Milestones: Memoirs: 1927 - 1977, he and his brother George were both enrolled in the Hitler Youth (at a time when membership was compulsory), and discusses family life under the Third Reich in chapters 2-4 of his autobiography.
Likewise, John Allen Jr., journalist for the National Catholic Reporter and author of 2002's biography of the Cardinal The Vatican's Enforcer of the Faith, -- supplies the historical details sorely lacking in one of his many articles on the Cardinal:
As a seminarian, he was briefly enrolled in the Hitler Youth in the early 1940s, though he was never a member of the Nazi party. In 1943 he was conscripted into an antiaircraft unit guarding a BMW plant outside Munich. Later Ratzinger was sent to Austria's border with Hungary to erect tank traps. After being shipped back to Bavaria, he deserted. When the war ended, he was an American prisoner of war.
Under Hitler, Ratzinger says he watched the Nazis twist and distort the truth. Their lies about Jews, about genetics, were more than academic exercises. People died by the millions because of them. The church's service to society, Ratzinger concluded, is to stand for absolute truths that function as boundary markers: Move about within these limits, but outside them lies disaster.
Later reflection on the Nazi experience also left Ratzinger with a conviction that theology must either bind itself to the church, with its creed and teaching authority, or it becomes the plaything of outside forces -- the state in a totalitarian system or secular culture in Western liberal democracies. In a widely noted 1986 lecture in Toronto, Ratzinger put it this way: "A church without theology impoverishes and blinds, while a churchless theology melts away into caprice." *
Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:03 pm
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:18 am
Amphatoast wrote:ya i was wondering why would he become pope after being in the german army for hitler..
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:22 am
The_Answer wrote:another pope thread? he's not that bad
Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:21 am
IndyPacers67 wrote:well during ww2 the catholic church and the pope at the time condoned the nazi actions. In fact they were pretty large supporters of the Nazis. Doesnt seem strange to me that a nazi would become pope.
Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:39 am
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Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:13 am
cyanide wrote:I knowI didn't say you were wrong or disagree with you on anything, I was just elaborating on what you said.
Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:12 am
Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:03 am
I guess it wont be long before Bush bombs the vatican and says the Pope was trying to start a Nazi revolution and that he wanted to free the ppl of Rome.
Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:06 am