Workout routines

[COOLmac©]

minor disaster,

so all in all it wasn't a disaster? anyways i thought you are not allowed to play if you came after the first quarter? and Jae is your're shot clock 35 seconds too? because i find that shit very funny......haveing 35 seconds shot clock in amateur ball games.........

[J@3]

We don't have a shot clock, and over here we have two halves of 20 minutes so yeah I was allowed to play the second half.

[COOLmac©]

we don't have a shot clock

mmmm maybe your league isn't that strict....
the rules back then whe i played in college.
10 minutes 4 quarter
30 second shot clock
lineups must not be less than 6?

if you arrive later than the first quarter your automatically incline for street clothes.....

EDIT:one question though guys.......i notice when i used to lift heavier weights it affected my shooting.....some team mates say it will kill my percentages if i continue to do so....is this just another myth in basketball? or is this true?
i once have an off night after having wieght training i shot about 3/18 from the field.......and my freethrows use to be aroud 80% but that night i made only 2/8

[J@3]

Well, before I moved to England my shooting range was the free throw line maximum. Admittedly I shot around 65% during games from there, but I couldn't even get the distance from the three. In England I started doing alot of upper body weights and now I can hit jumpers from about two metres outside the three point line fairly easily. I think it's just a matter of adapting your shooting style to match your new found strength, and the easiest way to do that is practice.

[Alcoholic]

That's what I need to do too. The main thing on my list is triceps, because my range only goes out to the free throw line, while theres guys I know that can shoot nba range. (Not that they do it in games, they do it at the park when they are all showing off).

[J@3]

I've never really used leg strength to improve my range, it's all upper body for me... which helps with fatigue actually because I don't jump very high when I shoot, so it saves energy that way... also it's good for getting off awkward shots if your arms are strong.

[Alcoholic]

That's also what I thought. However, when I shoot free throw range, I DO jump higher to get the needed range, but it's comfortable for me. When I attempt 3 pointers, I have to jump as high as I can, and it's still hard to get it in, it's just not in my range.

[COOLmac©]

having to hit threes-----> you also need good wrist action...when i knock down threes i don't do what micheal redd does, you know the swinging back hand action....i do it like kerr does....the smooth follow through....when you master this even the set shot 3 pointer will be an ease....

[cyanide]

That's also what I thought. However, when I shoot free throw range, I DO jump higher to get the needed range, but it's comfortable for me. When I attempt 3 pointers, I have to jump as high as I can, and it's still hard to get it in, it's just not in my range.

I don't think jumping really has to do with how you make your shots. Like CoolMac said, it's all in the wrists. Just have good form, and know how to "snap" your wrists when releasing. Your entire body will know how much power to use when shooting from the three point line or shooting a five foot jumper. There's really no focus on how high you jump.

[J@3]

Actually I'll have to disagree with the wrists comment. I spend most of my time trying to improve my own jumper, and I try hundreds of different shooting styles to try and find the one that'll land the highest percentage for me. Something interesting I noticed, was that if my release from the three point line is somewhat stunted, it goes in ALOT more. What I mean by that is if I don't fully flick my wrist at the end it tends to elevate higher and drop down exactly where I want. That being said, I can't bring myself to do it in a game just incase it bombs and goes flying over the backboard.

[COOLmac©]

hmmmm we all have different shooting styles.........in practice i end up with a hell lot textbook form with my elbow doing an L and my feet pretty square up.but in an intense game i just can't seem to get myself that free look so i just basically pop up and then throw the ball in the air...the only thing i notice though is th efeel good factor....if my wrist movement is smooth it will fall 80% of the time...if i'm not at a comfy level after i release the result is a disastrous 1/10 shot.........i'm not bragging a bit here but my 3 point jumper looks the same as my 2 point jumpers.......i have seen my tapes and i cant tell the difference.......lastly as what Jae stated: PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT

[J@3]

In that case COOLmac, the best thing to do is when you're practicing pretend you're in a game-time situation. Don't just take the standing J because that's alot easier to hit then if you're under pressure. Also, another thing I stole from a movie and that worked is getting someone to hold a broom and making you shoot over it while you're practicing.

[cyanide]

Actually I'll have to disagree with the wrists comment. I spend most of my time trying to improve my own jumper, and I try hundreds of different shooting styles to try and find the one that'll land the highest percentage for me. Something interesting I noticed, was that if my release from the three point line is somewhat stunted, it goes in ALOT more. What I mean by that is if I don't fully flick my wrist at the end it tends to elevate higher and drop down exactly where I want. That being said, I can't bring myself to do it in a game just incase it bombs and goes flying over the backboard.

I've gone through that too, I played around with a lot of shooting forms: I first started shooting like Reggie Miller, then I switched over to Penny Hardaway (which helped a lot), then for a short time, Chris Webber then I just kind of evolved into my own shooting form, which coincidentially resembles Allan Houston's form. When you said, "if I don't fully flick my wrist at the end it tends to elevate higher and drop down exactly where I want" is kind of risky since it sounds like the Tim Hardaway knuckleball effect. It always helps to get the ball spinning backwards, where the wrist action helps. I'm able to make three pointers over 50% in practice by just using the same natural jumper (same form, but more power since I'm further away). Takes a lot of practice, of course.

[J@3]

Yeah it is a risky shooting style which is why I don't do it in games. The thing is I have big hands so I can palm the ball really easily, and also a pretty long armspan so my shot is pretty high and unblockable and for some reason if the release is stunted (it looks more like Iverson's inside shooting style actually) it goes right up and drops in. If I shoot like Reggie (with the wrists hitting each other) I have a pretty high percentage aswell, but the chances of one wrist knocking the other off course and screwing up the shot is pretty high.

[Alcoholic]

I just got my form through trial and error. There were some days were I just couldn't miss, and I refused to leave the park until I got down the exact form I used, and now it seems that I have a good shot. I don't exactly have my arms in an "L", it may sound weird but I find it alot easier to shoot when my shooting arm forms a slightly obtuse angle when I shoot. It uses a more thrusting action then in an L, but it works good.


When I talked about jumping higher, I meant jumping higher to shoot farther, not necessarily more accurate (though I think when I jump really high like near the basket it's easier to make).


Jae, when you say your release is somewhat stunted, do you mean your arm does not fully extend? I used to shoot like that once, but actually what I did was as soon as my arm was straight, I would pull it back, and I THINK I pulled it back too soon and lost some of my power. Now when I shoot I make sure I extend all the way, and I keep it like that for a split second (not long enough that I hold my arm out in a cocky manner).

What I'm hoping to try starting Monday is what Dweaver said with the arm curls and the pushups and the ab workouts. And I plan to use the same form, only adding more power, when I get stronger.

[J@3]

By stunted, I mean that instead of my arm fully extending and my wrist flicking downwards, it kinda of stops 3/4 of the way there and my hand is facing straight up into the air on a slight angle towards the ring.. so basically instead of my wrist looking like an upside down U or whatever, it looks more like / ... if that makes sense at all... I should take a video or something lol it'd be easier to explain.

[Alcoholic]

A video is great, I would like you to show me how it is done.

I'm starting to get very comfortable with my shot. Once I get stronger and I improve my ball control, I might just make the basketball summer league tryouts end of the school year..

[J@3]

Shooting's all about comfort... I think it's 30% physical and 70% mental really. If I go to a stadium that's kind of open and makes the court look bigger (even though it isn't) my shooting can go way off, it's like at the stadium I play at... there's 3 courts and I shoot better at court 3 as opposed to 1 and 2 just because it's towards the back so it's sort of closed off and there's more of an atmosphere. Another thing I found actually, is if a hoop doesn't have a net I'm more inclined to miss aswell, it's odd.

[Alcoholic]

I think one thing is about focusing on the rim. I mean of course when I shoot I look at the rim, but often times I just don't really focus on it. For example, after shooting for a half hour, I couldn't ACTUALLY REMEMBER anyone of my shot attempts, if you know what I mean. For example if your friend just shaved (his beard or mustache) you can look at him and notice he shaved, but then when you try to think back about all the details you won't remember because you just looked at him and came to the conclusion that he shaved. So sometimes I had to conciously tell myself to FOCUS on the rim so that afterwords I could think back and ACTUALLY REMEMBER focusing on it.. I think it helps you with your shot when you are being distracted, for example someone coming to block... if what I said just made any sense..


I'm not sure having no net has caused me to miss more. I haven't played on a net less rim since my 'new' shot. It could be because (partly from what I mentioned above) when you look at the basket you don't focus on anything in paticular. One time Nowiztki said he focuses on the front of the rim, so that's what I do. Maybe the abscence of a net throws your mind off when you are shooting.

[J@3]

I've tried focusing on different things before, like the rim or the ball or whatever but when I actually shoot I don't really focus on anything. I guess it's just a matter of me trusting my own shooting mechanics enough to throw the ball up without really focusing on anything. I guess that's why I'm good at shooting turnaround J's and with my eyes closed (it's a pretty stupid skill... some people can dribble, some people can spin the ball on their finger for hours and I can shoot with my eyes closed lol) but I think with the net not being there it throws me off because it's not as obvious, having the net there to me is almost like having a tube to shoot at, it's easier to see.

[Alcoholic]

I think that's really great that you can shoot J's with your eyes closed. I think that should help you when someone is trying to block your shot, because they can't throw you off by running at you or anything.

[J@3]

Yeah it does, but it also prevents me from being any good at faking people out and driving. Alot of people I've spoken to say that because they can't shoot when someone jumps up to block them, they've learnt to fake and drive whenever they get the ball. I actually had my jump shot blocked the other day for the first time in my entire life ... to make matters worse, it was my 17 year old brother that did it. He's about 5'11 or so, and we were playing 1 on 1 in the backyard. He somehow managed to jump into me when I was shooting and forced me backwards, because I went backwards I overcompensated and moved my arms forward so that the shot was coming from in front of my face and he swatted it about 1 metre over the fence I got him back though, I blocked his next shot onto the roof

[Alcoholic]

How does it make you worse at faking? Having such a good shot, people would jump up more to actually block you, and it should be easier to fake them into the air, since you are such a good shot.

[J@3]

Yeah but because I'm pretty good at shooting over people I sometimes just do that instead of faking them out. Also the fact that I never get blocked means that I just throw it up regardless of how many people are jumping at me.

[COOLmac©]

for a guy your sized? i'm not surprised you never get block.....anyways shooting up on poeple who's dying to block your shot is also my specialty