Will we have a new President come Tuesday?

[Jackal]

^one more reason to dislike the Lakers.

Well, comments like these just go to show your level of intellectuality.

Amazing how dumb-witted people can be.

Congratulations to President Bush, here's hoping everything will be alright in the coming four years.

[Dogg]

www.hot.ee/dmd0/bushuncensored.mov

[Jackal]

www.hot.ee/dmd0/bushuncensored.mov

Wow, I would never have seen that movie if you hadn't posted it.

Oh wait, I already did, from here:

Two nice videos to keep in consideration before going to vote;

Showing of a more serious side than we've seen before.
An outtake from one of the debates. It's hard to argue with him on this one

It's actually realy sad to see this and when keeping in mind that this is the man that is most likely to be one of the people with most power in the world during the next 4 years... Sad indeed.

[Dramacydal]

^one more reason to dislike the Lakers.

Well, comments like these just go to show your level of intellectuality.

[The Future]

well maybe the title should now say by WEDNESDAY

congrats BUSHY...Kerry had a good run...but yah no what brought him down! FOOTBALL!

[GloveGuy]

Get ready. That's all I have to say.


Actually, I do have some responses to Ben, so here:

George W. Bush achieved the highest popular vote count ever.

Let's not be hypocritical and make it look like the popular vote actually matters.

Republicans pick up five seats in the Senate, hold the House, the governships and state legislatures. Democrats lose their Senate Minority Leader.

I'd also like to add the beginning of Barak Obama's political career in the Senate, representing Illinois. I'm telling you now that this guy will be the first black President of the United States. Anyways, that sure was a bright spot for us Dems.


Actually, I do have more to say than "Get ready". I have lost all faith in this country. It is unbelievable how divided we currently are and we can only hope that Dubya doesn't increase this gap between his supporters and haters. Basically, I still can't believe that a little more than half of our citizens voted for a man who has trouble constucting full sentences. He's an embarassment and disgrace to this nation, and to the people who voted for him, I can only say...you will regret it.

[ATTENTIONWHORE]

Congrats President Bush...I was for Kerry though.

[Matthew]

Actually, I do have more to say than "Get ready". I have lost all faith in this country. It is unbelievable how divided we currently are and we can only hope that Dubya doesn't increase this gap between his supporters and haters. Basically, I still can't believe that a little more than half of our citizens voted for a man who has trouble constucting full sentences. He's an embarassment and disgrace to this nation, and to the people who voted for him, I can only say...you will regret it.

lol you spastic. 4 more years for you to "suffer"

[EGarrett]

I can't say I'm unhappy that Bush won.

Terrorist leaders and warlords throughout the world are scared of him. As long as he controls the military I don't see anyone having the balls to attack us.

And while our market might turn into a scary corporate nightmare (deregulation leading to giant monsters like Viacom and AOL-Time Warner controlling way too much of what we see)...at least we'll be alive.

[Jackal]

I can't say I'm unhappy that Bush won.

Why would you be? He tends to not listen to others & do what he pleases. Why would you be?

Terrorist leaders and warlords throughout the world are scared of him. As long as he controls the military I don't see anyone having the balls to attack us.

Hmm, Bin Laden seemed pretty confident he would remind us once again. He doesn't seem all that scared. Scared yes, not scared enough to stop sending/making tapes.

I don't know about others but I value respect over fear. Fear doesn't conquer the world, sooner or later someone will raise their voice & everyone will raise their voice and they might not be that scared anymore.

And while our market might turn into a scary corporate nightmare ...at least we'll be alive.

Yeah, as long as your ass is safe, that's all that counts, doesn't it? Who cares about the soldiers & civillians dying in Iraq, bah...you're alive, right?

[Matthew]

Why would you be? He tends to not listen to others & do what he pleases. Why would you be?

He does listen to others, why do you think he went into iraq, becuase of the intelligence he recieved. It's like he woke up today and said "wow, i feel like starting a war for no reason"...

Hmm, Bin Laden seemed pretty confident he would remind us once again. He doesn't seem all that scared. Scared yes, not scared enough to stop sending/making tapes.

I'd rather him make tapes than attack countires..

I don't know about others but I value respect over fear. Fear doesn't conquer the world, sooner or later someone will raise their voice & everyone will raise their voice and they might not be that scared anymore.

Yes a powerhouse like france will do it. I rather respect than fear on a personal basis, but in a time of war, fear is all you need. Espesioally when you are the world power...

Yeah, as long as your ass is safe, that's all that counts, doesn't it? Who cares about the soldiers & civillians dying in Iraq, bah...you're alive, right?

Soldiers love combat, it's not like they are forced to be one. The civillian deaths are much lower than when you compare to when sadaam was in power. and everyone only worries about their own... Think on the bright side, no gay marriages

[Ataraxia]

ok look.....bush really doesnt care abt terrorists....he attacked Iraq cause of da da da da OIL !!

i live in a country thats been having terrorist probs for 21 years...sri lanka is such a great place but well we have a giant problem.
They kill their own race of ppl....if u say anythin against them they'll kill u...they use child soliders and threaten families to send their husband or wife to join them or they'll kill their family.

Our ex-prime minister(a total idiot) went and spoke to Bush....and u know what Bush said..he said that we should go for a peace process and give half of our country to the Terrorists(named LTTE).....
heres a group of ppl that even killed an indian candidate for prime minister and are in links with al qaeda.......but u know why bush doesnt bother comin here n helpin out....cause we dont have Oil, we dont have any natural resoucrces....all we got is beaches and good ppl.

Bush is not after terrorists, hes after control over the world and terrorising small countries and takin over their resources so he doesnt have to search around american to find them.

God damn soliders like killing....u fuckin nuts...their there cause they want to protec their nation ....but they were sent to Iraq for wat????....oh I thought it was to find weapons of mass destruction....but now it turns he wanted to free the ppl of Iraq ???

The world is upset that Bush won, not only half of america.....everyone lives in fear from bush....they dont hail him like they did with Clinton, Kennedy , Reagan and co....hes not taking away fear hes just installing fear to ppl.

Well thats my view brought out, congratz anyway to that idiot...hope u enjoy bombing innocent ppl

[EGarrett]

Why would you be? He tends to not listen to others & do what he pleases. Why would you be?

Skillful ad hominem attack.

Hmm, Bin Laden seemed pretty confident he would remind us once again. He doesn't seem all that scared. Scared yes, not scared enough to stop sending/making tapes.

Experience will show you one day that the people who talk the most are the ones who act the least.

Was Bin Laden on tape threatening 9/11? No. Because when you're planning to act, you keep it as quiet as possible.

I don't know about others but I value respect over fear. Fear doesn't conquer the world, sooner or later someone will raise their voice & everyone will raise their voice and they might not be that scared anymore.

People were "raising their voice" at Hitler the whole time he was conquering Eastern Europe. He was stopped when people took up arms and fought him.

The most effective deterrent to a fight is being willing and able to fight. That's why the Cold War never turned into armageddon. The Soviets knew (from the end of WWII) that the U.S. had devastating weapons and was willing to use them if attacked. Thus no real war had to happen.

That's the way the real world works, unfortunately.

Yeah, as long as your ass is safe, that's all that counts, doesn't it? Who cares about the soldiers & civillians dying in Iraq, bah...you're alive, right?

The word "we" refers to more than one person.

The U.S. army is also volunteer. I wouldn't want anyone to die, but they knew what they were getting into when they signed up, and they were courageous enough to accept the risk of injury or death.

The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's that Saddam gassed and tortured were not given that option.

[Jackal]

Skillful ad hominem attack.

Wow, I'm impressed. Not only did I get a compliment from you but you actually didnt freak out & post...LOCKED!

Guess those "Counseling for Moderators with a clenched fist & locking addiction" events really helped. Congratulations. The first step to recovering is admitting you have a problem.

*Tear*, I'm so proud of you.

Experience will show you one day that the people who talk the most are the ones who act the least.

Experience will show me? Really? According to me & numerous others I have big ass mouth & I talk alot. Didn't stop me from doing something, did it?

Anyways, that just goes to show that people that talk alot aren't afraid of acting out. I know you'd like them to be, but unfortunately not everyone is alike.

Was Bin Laden on tape threatening 9/11? No. Because when you're planning to act, you keep it as quiet as possible.

Oh, so because he made those tapes & actually made threats to attack, he won't? Only if he hadn't mentioned anything, then he would attack? Pff, the FBI, CIA & all of them are squirming for no reason. National security has been tightened for no reason, Bin Laden already made a tape, this means he wont attack. Silly governments, thinking he actually might be a threat.

You're so amazing EG. I can't help but get a twinkle in my eye.

People were "raising their voice" at Hitler the whole time he was conquering Eastern Europe. He was stopped when people took up arms and fought him.

Alright, I know it's not the same thing, but I'd like to bring up what transpired between you & me here for a moment.

I "picked up my arms" & "attacked" you. This had concequences for you. Naturally what I did was incorrect, that was pretty clear. We all agree that the method I used was incorrect.

So, why is the method of using force right in this situation? Why haven't they found WMD's as yet Ernest? Come on, you can come up with a good theory for me. Were those WMD's on tape? Because if they were they probably don't exsist.

The most effective deterrent to a fight is being willing and able to fight.

And when I did it, I was out of line. Hehe, funny how the world works, eh?

That's why the Cold War never turned into armageddon. The Soviets knew (from the end of WWII) that the U.S. had devastating weapons and was willing to use them if attacked. Thus no real war had to happen.

Thanks for the history re-cap. The Soviets & the Americans decided not to attack eachother. Don't formulate it in such a way as if to say the Soviets were afraid. If they were, US was equally afraid. Both of the countries possessed nuclear weapons & both countries knew it would probably be the end of the world. If one country launched a missile, the other would've launched two and so forth. Don't formulate it as if the Soviets were scared shitless.

That's the way the real world works, unfortunately.

Yeah, tis a sad sad world isn't it? It'd be a much better place if you could run it. Aliens would look at earth from outer space & see in red, big bold letters the word "LOCKED!"

The word "we" refers to more than one person.

Since we're all talking about how the world works, not one person thinks about the guy next to him if the first guy has a gun held to his head. That's crap.

The U.S. army is also volunteer. I wouldn't want anyone to die, but they knew what they were getting into when they signed up, and they were courageous enough to accept the risk of injury or death.

? I didn't say they didn't know what they were doing ? I just said they didn't have to do it in such a hurry & rushed manner. They could've been patient, right? They could've stuck to looking for Bin Laden, right? No, they decided to go after Saddam.

The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's that Saddam gassed and tortured were not given that option.

That wasn't the reason they went into Iraq, was it?

(Disclaimer, I support Bush going to war with Iraq, I just thought it make a fun discussion, especially since Ernest is involved, we all know how much I wuv him, so Ben & Matthew, no hard feelings.)

[EGarrett]

]Wow, I'm impressed. Not only did I get a compliment from you but you actually didnt freak out & post...LOCKED!

Guess those "Counseling for Moderators with a clenched fist & locking addiction" events really helped. Congratulations. The first step to recovering is admitting you have a problem.

*Tear*, I'm so proud of you.

I can tell you're quite knowledgeable of logic and debate.

Anyways, that just goes to show that people that talk alot aren't afraid of acting out. I know you'd like them to be, but unfortunately not everyone is alike.
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Oh, so because he made those tapes & actually made threats to attack, he won't? Only if he hadn't mentioned anything, then he would attack? Pff, the FBI, CIA & all of them are squirming for no reason. National security has been tightened for no reason, Bin Laden already made a tape, this means he wont attack. Silly governments, thinking he actually might be a threat.

When you want to do as much damage to someone as possible, you don't warn them in advance. That's common sense.

Saddam Hussein released several tapes in the months leading up to his capture. When the military found him, he was hiding in a hole in the ground, malnutritioned and asking the troops not to hurt him.

Same thing.

Alright, I know it's not the same thing, but I'd like to bring up what transpired between you & me here for a moment.

This is an internet message board. In a real fight, where people really get injured and die, things are different. Do you disagree?

Thanks for the history re-cap. The Soviets & the Americans decided not to attack eachother. Don't formulate it in such a way as if to say the Soviets were afraid.

If they weren't afraid, then why did the Soviets, by their own later admission, construct thousands of fake missile silos during the Cold War to make their army seem more formidable?

Why did Khrushchev back down first in the Cuban Missile Crisis? Why did he concede to Kennedy's demands then later be angry that he "lost face" in front of the world?

They could've been patient, right? They could've stuck to looking for Bin Laden, right? No, they decided to go after Saddam.

How long would you consider patient? How long would you have proposed the U.S. wait before attacking?

You know that with your logic, you would've protested the U.S. removing Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda from power before 9/11. Because Bin Laden hadn't struck yet, he was just a terrorist leader who hated the U.S. and had a history of violent attacks.