Animal Rights

[Cameron]

Ok, this is probably going to be real disorganized...

All you animal rights activists (if there are any on .org) probably aren't going to like this post.

I'm just commenting on how animals are treated in society. Seriously, I've found time and time again that animals are often treated better than humans. I actually have nothing against animals; I quite enjoy them. Dogs over cats for me, but thats just a preference. However, when animals start becoming more important than humans, I draw the line.

If I say, kick a dude because he's being annoying, he'll get pissed off and maybe kick me back, maybe yell, maybe not care. At worst, he'll sue me for assault. However, when I kick a barking dog that won't shut up (not to say I've ever done this, don't worry ) I'm in violation of an animal's rights and I can go to jail. (assumption - I don't have a fact checker lol) Excuse me? Also, how come in movies we need a 'No pigs were harmed' warning at the end? That's good to know! Why don't we need a 'no humans were killed'?

I know I'm stretching things a little here. Also, I had this post all planned out at about 2:00am this morning, and 12 hours later I've lost a little of it. The reason for this post is that at about 2:00 am this morning, a cat outside was in heat and screaming at the top of its lungs, and making weirded out noises. Therefore, I got no sleep last night. Now, if I went out and hit the damn thing to shut it up, I would have been the bad guy. Ummm... can anyone see something wrong here? If I stick a no trespassing: violators will be shot sign on my yard, do I have the right to shoot someone in violation of this? (I'm not sure how the law works in this case). If I tell the neighbours to keep their cats off my yard or else I'll shoot them, and stick a no cats - violators will be shot sign on my yard, does that not in turn give me the right to shoot the cat? If I go up to the cat and say, 'Hey cat, if you don't shut up I'll give you a boot" and it doesn't shut up, can I boot it? Nope. And in the end, I'm the one who loses sleep.

So animal owners, keep your cats from screaming in my window and keep your dogs from shitting on my lawn (and that's a whole other editorial.)


Now, I know that I stretched things a little in some places. Also, my mind isn't too clear so some parts may not make sense. But by all means, I would love to hear people's opinions on this topic, whether for or against.

[Jackal]

Well, the reason people are more sensitive towards animals is probably because humans can speak for themselves and think for themselves.

Animals however, can't. That's why they get all touchy when you imply you want to kick a dog/cat. They feel the need to come up for the cat/dog and protect it because the dog/cat cannot do so for himself.

Aah hell, just knock out the cat when no one is looking.

[Prime!]

Well, the thing is with me, I don't like many animals.. Cats are cute and stuff, but meh.. They lick ass, and all that stuff and it just doesn't interest me.

[Jackal]

Long live Bob the Kitty

Kittens happen to be cats.

I'll take a dog over a cat any day.

I dislike cats, house cats though. I'm amazed by big cats such as Cheetah's, Jaguars, Lions, Tigers & Panthers.

Ofcourse, dogs are all good..I used to have 7 dogs on the island.
4 American/Canadian Shepards (they are like German Shepards but they are completely white)
1 Rotweiler
1 a no race dog, we call em street dogs
1 rotweilar/white shepard cross breed. Basically it looked like a rotweilar, only where it's supposed to be brown, it was all white.

*sigh* I miss em..

[Prime!]

Long live Bob the Kitty

Kittens happen to be cats.

Well, Bob the Kitty was no ordinary kitty.. He talked.. amazingly.. He joined the local gang, dealt drugs, went to jail, broke out, and retired with a big pink pimp hat on his head..

And yeah, tigers and lions and all that stuff kick ass..

[Cameron]

Record time for a post to go off topic, lol.

[wangster]

All I know is that I can't stand PETA and anything they do...

So, I'm with you on this one... some people are grotesquely disproportioned in their view on animals and humans. Camazing, I say, why should you sacrifice your own well-being for the well-being of some lousy cat? That doesn't happen in the human world, why should it be any different when animals come into play?

By the way, I like dogs. Yes, dogs are nice. And flamingos. Gotta love that uncanny sense of balance.

[Gripni]

Animals are capable of fighting for themselves. If they lose the fight, too bad. Right? That's how the world works. That's how it always has worked, and how it always will work. Right?

If someone is pissing me off, I tell them to stop a few times. If they are still really pissing me off I will fight them if it's that bad. If an animal is pissing me off, I'll do the same thing. Fighting is a bad way to get things done but it works and sometimes you have to do it. If I have to hurt an animal I will, and if I have to hurt a person I will.

But animals and people are different. If you're prepared anyone can take out any animal. Animals aren't always able to fight back. I really hate to compare animals to women, but it's not acceptable to hit women because usually men can easily beat a woman in a fight.

But animals and people are different. We are humans. Almost everyone considers humans superior to animals. The loss of a human is worse than the loss of an animal almost always. If an average animal fought an average person who would root for the animal? Animals don't deserve the respect that humans get because humans are smarter and more capable than animals. Humans need to be treated better than animals.

[Andrew]

Even though I do not support violence against animals and understand the position of animal rights activist groups, I kind of feel the same way. I value the life of humans above animals. If some maniac presented me with the choice of killing a litter of kittens or killing my entire family, even though I don't mind cats and I would not enjoy watching them being slaughtered, I would choose to save the lives of my family. I believe there are some people in the world who would choose the life of the kittens.

What annoys is me is groups who are judgemental over the decision to eat meat. If someone wants to be a vegetarian, great, that's their decision. Red meat is part of my diet, and I don't appreciate being called a murderer because of that. There are plenty of carnivirous and omnivirous animals in the world apart from humans. Are they all "murderers" too?

I understand and agree with the concept of preserving wildlife, not hunting animals to extinction and in general being kind to animals including domestic pets. But yes, I think some people take the idea too far. If kicking a dog that is attacking you results in the same penalty as fighting with another person, something is wrong there.

[J@3]

Everytime I see an animal being abused in some violent manner it makes me sick, it's just something I cant stand to watch. Years ago I used to live a few houses down from a family who used to shoot any cats that strayed onto their property. Most people would say this is fair enough, and that the cat had no right to be there in the first place... however, it turnt out that they didnt always shoot the cats, sometimes they would actually take the cat, tie its feet together and drown them in a barrell. I dont care what people think about cats (I personally like them), but whether this is a cat, dog, budgee, kangaroo, lion, Loch Ness Monster, etc... doing something like this is just sickening and unnecessary.

I believe there are some people in the world who would choose the life of the kittens.

In our part of the World, they're commonly refered to as "dickheads"

What annoys is me is groups who are judgemental over the decision to eat meat. If someone wants to be a vegetarian, great, that's their decision.

If people are allowed to make the choice in life to be a vegetarian, it's only fair that the same courtesy is shown to people who choose not to be. People need to realize that no matter how many vegetarians there are, its not going to stop cows being slaughtered or whatever. The market is still there, and it is huge... the occassional unwashed hippie reject handcuffing himself to the gates of a slaughterhouse isnt going to prevent anything. If people want to eat meat, it's not only their rightful choice to do so, but it's also a choice that is going to be here for generations to come. Sometimes people need to realize that they really dont make the difference in the World that they assume.

If kicking a dog that is attacking you results in the same penalty as fighting with another person, something is wrong there.

I completely agree with this, but strangely if I was being attacked by a dog I would find it very very difficult to kick it. However, if it was a person, I'd kick a hole through his chest without even thinking. That sounded so much more violent than I wanted it to be.

But animals and people are different. We are humans. Almost everyone considers humans superior to animals. The loss of a human is worse than the loss of an animal almost always. If an average animal fought an average person who would root for the animal? Animals don't deserve the respect that humans get because humans are smarter and more capable than animals. Humans need to be treated better than animals.

The fact remains, animals aren't just seem as inferior to humans, they're also seen as much weaker and incapable. I think that plays a huge role in animal activists campaigns. I mean, for instance, there are thousands upon thousands of organisations to prevent domestic abuse, and namely to prevent women being bashed (essentially). If women weren't seen as the weaker sex, these would still exist but their numbers would be seldom. How many organisations are there to prevent men being bashed by women? Hardly any. Society has its perceptions set on everything, stereotypes etc are always going to control the way people think on issues and in this case it is commonly seen that because (most) animals cant talk or appear to make logical decisions, they are the weaker sex. With women, it's more of a physical thing (not saying women cant talk or make logical decisions... actually...)

Most people are always going to "back the underdog". Think 'Rocky', or any other Hollywood movie. It's about beating the odds and coming up as the winner. As animals are seen as inferior and less capable than humans, it's in most peoples nature to help them moreso than they would a human in a certain situation. PETA and people like that do have a point, we cant pretend animal cruelty isnt a problem in society because it is. I just think their methods are very very wrong. The fact that they're willing to say stage a protest and block a few main roads, potentially preventing people from reaching hospitals or whatever... I think sometimes people take things way too far, and in the case of PETA I would call them an extremist group, because 90% of the things they do publicaly are just completely unnecessary.

Yes, I do realize I've compared PETA to terrorist organisations. Car-bomb me.

[Nick]

What happened to some people i know the other day would make you sick Jae.

Apparently there was this old lady walking along, walking her two little doggies. Then a big mean Rot Whieler dog came along and starting gnawing on one of the little doggies. So these people i know saw the dog attacking the old ladies dog and went up to it and beat the living shit out of it. They hit it with their skateboards and kicked it and punched it.
They got in the paper and were labled heroes. They were all stoned.

[J@3]

Apparently there was this old lady walking along, walking her two little doggies. Then a big mean Rot Whieler dog came along and starting gnawing on one of the little doggies. So these people i know saw the dog attacking the old ladies dog and went up to it and beat the living shit out of it. They hit it with their skateboards and kicked it and punched it.
They got in the paper and were labled heroes. They were all stoned

Lol geez, dont these people watch Steve Irwin? If that guy can restrain a crocodile without beating the shit out of it with a skateboard, surely there's other ways of stopping a dog from munching on some other dog.

[The GOAT]

They got in the paper and were labled heroes. They were all stoned.

[Repole]

choosing to keep animals alive isnt wrong, it just depends on who the human was.... i mean if i had to chose between Cam and a Kitten being killed, well the obsious choice is to have Cam killed....

i'm not joking....

[J@3]

choosing to keep animals alive isnt wrong, it just depends on who the human was.... i mean if i had to chose between Cam and a Kitten being killed, well the obsious choice is to have Cam killed....

i'm not joking...

Ben, your attempt at cloning has hit a few glitches I see.

[Cameron]

Um, glad to see I'm wanted dead all of a sudden...

Just to clear up, I was not promoting violence of any kind. I've never actually hurt an animal, it kind of disgusts me when I talk to my friends who like to shoot squirrels and stuff for the hell of it...

However, I don't see what's too gruesome about drowing a cat... torturing yes, drowing for no reason yes. But in some situations it's appropriate.. let me elaborate. At my cottage, there are a whole bunch of stray cats that run around. They kill birds and leave them rotting under my deck. They have diseases, and worms. And people feed them... they are bothersome and lead awful lives, so i think in this case it is better to drown them.

I got a gross kitten story for you... just talking to a guy I know who leaves his boat in a marina. While he was gone, someone walked by his boat, unzipped the tarp, and threw in two baby kittens. They then zipped it up again and left. When the owner got there, he found kitten shit everywhere and two dead kittens. That, I don't approve of.

The other touchy topic I thought might be appropriate to touch on is that of assisted suicide (scary topic). It is another area where it seems that animals have more rights than humans... although it can be argued whether putting someone/thing to death is for or against there rights. Why is it that a dog can be put down to end its suffering, while a human can't? I'm not too sure myself - I thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

[hmm]

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[Old School Fool]

Cats are awesome...

Me and this little Kitty his name is Davison, We chill everyday...he sleeps near me at the computer alot.

He even licks my lips clean. I ate Taco Bell once and he kept sniffing me

[J@3]

He even licks my lips clean. I ate Taco Bell once and he kept sniffing me

You need some pussy, but not that kind.

[Colin]

I really hadn't given this very much thought ever. But when you brought it to my attention I realized how stupid this is. Another thing is that people are biased towards animals. I heard a story about a guy that raised cats to eat them. Since it's a domesticated animal everyone immediatly goes "ugghhh." But it's not like that, he's doing the same thing as people have been doing with pigs and cows forever. If he thinks cat is tasty, and isn't torturing it, it's the same thing as raising pigs and cows for food. This guy ended up serving a short jail term. It's crazy.

People are becoming way too pet-obsessed these days. People buy thier pets little sweaters and other clothes now. Clothes. For pets. There's got to be a line when it comes to this, not too long ago I was walking home and I saw this woman walking her little chihuahua (sp?) or whatever and it was dressed up like a ballerina. And it is summer here so I bet the dog was pissed and really hot. Near my house there is also a Dog Bakery. A fucking dog bakery. They sell doggie treats, and probably a few leashes and whatnot too. And the worst thing is that they can run a succesful buisness selling nothing but doggie treats. People are such suckers for their pets.

One thing to add on the vegetarian thing. Read this.

[The GOAT]

I love that website, I love that article and I love this picture:

[Cameron]

I'm really glad I started this topic. I think its a good discussion.

Just wanted to mention in reply to Colin's post that I actually saw a Doggie lifejacket that people had for their dog on a boat...

I also just read that article, and I'll say that I feel about vegetarians what I feel about homosexuals (for example... stay on topic! ):
I have no problem with your beliefs, but please keep them out of my face.

[benji]

Ben, your attempt at cloning has hit a few glitches I see.

Bah, I despise the PETA type folks. Though of course I wouldn't choose 99% of people over a cute wittle kitten.

Anyway about stupid vegans and other stupid "health" food eaters...since they were mentioned though I didn't bother to check the context...let's eat crappy tasting food so we can live longer to eat more crappy tasting food...

Though if anyone didn't see the PETA ads comparing Chicken Processing to the Holocaust...I pity them...