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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:53 pm
We've all done it, at one point or another. And if you say you haven't done it, you're either lying or will do it eventually. It is the way of the Internet.
"Um". Two letters, one syllable, so much attitude.
It positively oozes condescension, making an otherwise reasonable statement at least ten times more patronising. It's a handy tool, allowing you to express your utter disbelief with someone else's words or correct them in a manner that drives home just how wrong they are. It's kind of sneaky too because as rude as its use can be, only the strictest administrators and moderators would be inclined to police it. Again, two letters and one syllable, yet it allows us to express so much, sneer with so much attitude and pomposity, but 99% of the time it's not going to violate any rules or code of conduct. Um: how to say you're a fucking moron, without saying you're a fucking moron.
"Um" is kind of unique in this way when it comes to online banter. It can be used innocently enough, but more often than not when it begins a sentence, you know exactly the tone the poster is going for. "Uh" can be used in the same way, but it just doesn't feel as strong. "Er" can be used too, but it feels a little more polite and can just as easily be used to represent genuine confusion in the tone of a reply. "Eh" is pretty much interchangeable with "Meh" and displays ambivalence or lack of enthusiasm more than it does condescension. "*shrug*", "Pfft" and "Bah!" can be effective, but they too just don't have the same punch as "Um".
When it comes down to it, it's a great way of looking like a pretentious, dickish know-it-all. Assuming that's not simply part of our inner nature, what do we gratuitously use the word "Um", even if we despite know-it-alls and that kind of attitude in general?
Simply put, it's satisfying. Sure, when somebody posts something that we completely disagree with or is completely off the mark, we could say "I respectfully disagree" or "Sorry, but you're incorrect" before continuing with our argument or a correction. But when the other person has posted something so wrong and been so sure they're right, it's far too tempting to begin your reply with something like "Um, no." Enough attitude to put the other person in their place, not quite enough attitude to get banned in most places. Flipping the bird without the middle finger and fighting fire with fire; proving a know-it-all wrong by acting like an even bigger know-it-all. Just make sure what you have to say carries some weight.
We should be stronger than that, though. It's like sprinkling Internet shorthand into a discussion, arguing not with a counterpoint but a mocking tone to put the other person on the defensive ("LOL you really think that? SMH LOL"). Like twisting the other person's words and putting words in their mouth, it's a debate technique that's been taken to new heights (or lows, depending on your point of view) online. We should be stronger, but as a tactic it's too effective and in lieu of everyone adhering to some form of Queensberry rules, you either have to cut through it or resort to it.
It has its place though, so I'd never advocate banning it completely from the online lexicon. Rather, I'd propose self-moderation. Before you "um", think to yourself...just how wrong is this other person? How sure am I that I am 100% correct? Do I really need to be that dickish about a simple misunderstanding or obvious typo?
After all, there's nothing more humbling than having your "um" countered with an even stronger "um".
Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:04 pm
Um, good topic. It's funny how a word that probably isn't really a word has so much use when it seems to originally be just a pause for thought before completing a sentence. I use um, uh, and er.
Saying "um, I don't think so" is just a more polite way of saying "i don't fucking think so."
I like catching people who are liars using um a lot with certain body language.
Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:17 pm
Yeah, I was going for something a little different with this topic.

I was hoping at least one person would reply with a sentence beginning with "um", too.

I don't know that it's necessarily more polite than saying "I don't fucking think so", I reckon it's more a covert way of saying it if anything. I know I've used it before because as I said it's very satisfying sometimes, though other times I'll catch myself about to do it and back off that tone a little.
Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:14 am
Wait, what? Uhhh, I thought this was just a meme to make people respond to you out of anger. You know, like when you call out their endless demands for others to serve them and do everything in life for them.
Actually, I think your real problem is that you haven't accepted my opinions as your own. Once you get over that you'll be fine.
But seriously, I have to ask really? You care about this but not what I do?
Get a life.
Maybe then you can sit at the adult table.
Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:30 am
Exactly.
Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:38 am
To be fair, the social sciences would cease to exist if they couldn't respond in this manner.
Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:49 am
Andrew wrote:We've all done it, at one point or another. And if you say you haven't done it, you're either lying or will do it eventually. It is the way of the Internet.
"Um". Two letters, one syllable, so much attitude.
It positively oozes condescension, making an otherwise reasonable statement at least ten times more patronising. It's a handy tool, allowing you to express your utter disbelief with someone else's words or correct them in a manner that drives home just how wrong they are. It's kind of sneaky too because as rude as its use can be, only the strictest administrators and moderators would be inclined to police it. Again, two letters and one syllable, yet it allows us to express so much, sneer with so much attitude and pomposity, but 99% of the time it's not going to violate any rules or code of conduct. Um: how to say you're a fucking moron, without saying you're a fucking moron.
"Um" is kind of unique in this way when it comes to online banter. It can be used innocently enough, but more often than not when it begins a sentence, you know exactly the tone the poster is going for. "Uh" can be used in the same way, but it just doesn't feel as strong. "Er" can be used too, but it feels a little more polite and can just as easily be used to represent genuine confusion in the tone of a reply. "Eh" is pretty much interchangeable with "Meh" and displays ambivalence or lack of enthusiasm more than it does condescension. "*shrug*", "Pfft" and "Bah!" can be effective, but they too just don't have the same punch as "Um".
When it comes down to it, it's a great way of looking like a pretentious, dickish know-it-all. Assuming that's not simply part of our inner nature, what do we gratuitously use the word "Um", even if we despite know-it-alls and that kind of attitude in general?
Simply put, it's satisfying. Sure, when somebody posts something that we completely disagree with or is completely off the mark, we could say "I respectfully disagree" or "Sorry, but you're incorrect" before continuing with our argument or a correction. But when the other person has posted something so wrong and been so sure they're right, it's far too tempting to begin your reply with something like "Um, no." Enough attitude to put the other person in their place, not quite enough attitude to get banned in most places. Flipping the bird without the middle finger and fighting fire with fire; proving a know-it-all wrong by acting like an even bigger know-it-all. Just make sure what you have to say carries some weight.
We should be stronger than that, though. It's like sprinkling Internet shorthand into a discussion, arguing not with a counterpoint but a mocking tone to put the other person on the defensive ("LOL you really think that? SMH LOL"). Like twisting the other person's words and putting words in their mouth, it's a debate technique that's been taken to new heights (or lows, depending on your point of view) online. We should be stronger, but as a tactic it's too effective and in lieu of everyone adhering to some form of Queensberry rules, you either have to cut through it or resort to it.
It has its place though, so I'd never advocate banning it completely from the online lexicon. Rather, I'd propose self-moderation. Before you "um", think to yourself...just how wrong is this other person? How sure am I that I am 100% correct? Do I really need to be that dickish about a simple misunderstanding or obvious typo?
After all, there's nothing more humbling than having your "um" countered with an even stronger "um".
Um, cool story bro. tl,dr
Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:43 am
Pfft, you would say that. SMH.
As always, special mention has to go to that emoticon.
Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:36 pm
I've tried really hard to cut "um"' "uh" or "like" out of my vocabulary (words that people use to give themselves extra time to think about what they are going to say)
Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:27 pm
Qballer wrote:I've tried really hard to cut "um"' "uh" or "like" out of my vocabulary (words that people use to give themselves extra time to think about what they are going to say)
Chevy Chase can help (0:57-1:26).
Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:43 pm
Qballer wrote:I've tried really hard to cut "um"' "uh" or "like" out of my vocabulary (words that people use to give themselves extra time to think about what they are going to say)
That's a bad habit too and I find I'm prone to that as well at times, but it's a far less condescending use of "um".
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