Netanyahu-Palestinian state is good. Abas-not good enough!

[benji]

And that means what.

[puttincomputers]

War. Think of what the muslims would do if one of their ships gets sunk.

[benji]

I think you need to define "the Muslims" first.

[puttincomputers]

Every Nation in Green on this map is either predominantly muslim or have muslim rulers, in most cases both!

[benji]

Right, and they're all separate nations with separate goals. Most of them fight among themselves, you think they're going to put that pissant crap behind them to form a grand coalition?

[puttincomputers]

“We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state,” Obama said.

Tell me. How do you get a contiguous state from the 67 borders?


btw take a look at this. This is what Palestinians claim has been stolen form them and they want all of it back. I wonder where the jews go?

[shadowgrin]

You need to read what I posted about your post before you claim I didn't read your post.

I didn't say believe it immediately. At least bother to read and analyze

It's possible that the Muslims helped in the transfer of ancient knowledge known from the Greeks and Romans to the Europeans. The Muslims may not have invented or discovered those things but they did help to spread it, which isn't completely contrary to that wiki you posted.

Muslim achievements are but links in the chain. Few of the great Muslim scientific achievements stood alone, but were derived by Muslim scientists standing on the shoulders of those who came before them. Also, by transmitting Greek, Roman, Hindu, Persian and Egyptian knowledge (some of which may have been lost were it not for these Arabic translations), these Muslim scientists did humanity a great service.

You can be right and I can be right. Wait, how is that possible. Two rights make a wrong, right? It must be black and white, no in-betweens, one wrong one right, no two rights! MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE!!!!

[puttincomputers]

MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE!!!!

I do not doubt that there have been some things that world has benefited from when it comes to muslim science. However you need to see what they claim and then see if what they claim is actually factual.

Further how can I have a logical discussion when what I post is not read.
From the wiki I posted

The purpose of this analysis is to put the achievements of Golden Age Muslim scientists in the proper perspective, neither denigrating their achievements nor inflating them. All scientific and technological progress is accomplished in progression; Muslim achievements are but links in the chain. Few of the great Muslim scientific achievements stood alone, but were derived by Muslim scientists standing on the shoulders of those who came before them. Also, by transmitting Greek, Roman, Hindu, Persian and Egyptian knowledge (some of which may have been lost were it not for these Arabic translations), these Muslim scientists did humanity a great service.

here is another debunking provided from the same site
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_I ... _The_World

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On a separate note Israel says a strike on Iran is necessary to avoid Nuclear disaster.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110530/ap_ ... sia_israel

[shadowgrin]

Further how can I have a logical discussion when what I post is not read.
From the wiki I posted

The purpose of this analysis is to put the achievements of Golden Age Muslim scientists in the proper perspective, neither denigrating their achievements nor inflating them. All scientific and technological progress is accomplished in progression; Muslim achievements are but links in the chain. Few of the great Muslim scientific achievements stood alone, but were derived by Muslim scientists standing on the shoulders of those who came before them. Also, by transmitting Greek, Roman, Hindu, Persian and Egyptian knowledge (some of which may have been lost were it not for these Arabic translations), these Muslim scientists did humanity a great service.

How can I have the same logical discussion when what I post is not read and understood?...

that wiki is hogwash

Geez, I didn't say believe it immediately. At least bother to read and analyze what I posted.

It's possible that the Muslims helped in the transfer of ancient knowledge known from the Greeks and Romans to the Europeans. The Muslims may not have invented or discovered those things but they did help to spread it, which isn't completely contrary to that wiki you posted.

[puttincomputers]

Appears we have a lost in translation problem. lol