Science Spits on Albert Einstein's Long Dead Face

[shadowgrin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

A second experiment at the European facility that reported subatomic particles zooming faster than the speed of light — stunning the world of physics — has reached the same result

That is, more tests are needed, and on other experimental setups. There is still a large crowd of skeptical physicists who suspect that the original measurement done in September was an error.

Should the results stand, they would upend more than a century of modern physics.

For more than a century, the speed of light has been locked in as the universe’s ultimate speed limit. No experiment had seen anything moving faster than light, which zips along at 186,000 miles per second.

Much of modern physics — including Albert Einstein’s famous theory of relativity — is built on that ultimate speed limit.

[Andrew]

We need our top minds on this.



Seriously though, pretty amazing discovering if the results hold up after further research and experiments.

[Nick]

Well it kinda makes sense doesn't it? I'm no expert but my understanding is that everything is made of vibration. Light is a frequency that vibrates at some level. Everything is a frequency that vibrates at some level...
- Sound to the human ear is produced through 32,000 - 38,000 vibrations per second.
- Heat begins with about 1,500,000 vibrations per second.
- Light at 3,000,000. Above that number is ultra violet rays.
- Higher up the scale is THOUGHT.

What are vibrations made of? Subatomic particles. Vibrations is molecular motion. So it's like... maybe light is the fastest measureable thing, but when you consider quantum physics, it's obvious that particles are the bomb diggity yo.

Saying light is the fastest thing is like saying that a ferrari has the fastest wheels, but we all know it's the engine inside that's actually the fastest thing. (poor metaphor but you get my point)

[Dc311]

Saying light is the fastest thing is like saying that a ferrari has the fastest wheels, but we all know it's the engine inside that's actually the fastest thing. (poor metaphor but you get my point)

Actually,that makes perfect sense.

[benji]

but when you consider quantum physics, it's obvious that particles are the bomb diggity yo.

Except for that whole unfalsifiable aspect.

- Higher up the scale is THOUGHT.

What.

Saying light is the fastest thing is like saying that a ferrari has the fastest wheels, but we all know it's the engine inside that's actually the fastest thing. (poor metaphor but you get my point)

What.

[Nick]

- Higher up the scale is THOUGHT.

What.

Thought energy is a vibration of frequency, just like everything else in physical reality. I don't know how to put it any simpler.

[Mandich]

You know what this means? If Neurins are really faster time travel is possible, but sure not as long as we're alive as they don't know almost anything about neurins. Teleportation is possible now, this shits on the whole physics and Albert Einstein. The whole theory of relativity is now bullshit.

[benji]

Thought energy is a vibration of frequency, just like everything else in physical reality. I don't know how to put it any simpler.

proof or ban

You're going to have to especially back up those numbers. And how thought is higher than light or heat. And how my CPU is "faster" than light based on this scale.

[shadowgrin]

You know what this means? If Neurins are really faster time travel is possible, but sure not as long as we're alive as they don't know almost anything about neurins. Teleportation is possible now, this shits on the whole physics and Albert Einstein. The whole theory of relativity is now bullshit.

PROOF OR BAN.

[Mandich]

You know what this means? If Neurins are really faster time travel is possible, but sure not as long as we're alive as they don't know almost anything about neurins. Teleportation is possible now, this shits on the whole physics and Albert Einstein. The whole theory of relativity is now bullshit.

PROOF OR BAN.

They did the test 2 times and it proved that they are faster than light. Ok let me rephrase that bolded letters : it is now closer then ever, yet still miles away.

[shadowgrin]

You do know that the assumption of being able to do time travel if you exceed the speed of light is based on the notion that nothing is faster than light?
If it is proven that there are things that exceed the speed of light then that assumption of being able to time travel if you exceed 'light speed' becomes invalid like the notion that nothing can be faster than light also becomes invalid.

[Patr1ck]

His theory of relativity was shown to not hold up years ago. I don't recall how they did it, but it had to do with things that are really small, most likely sub atomic particles.

I suspected the speed of light was not the fastest. It's only the fastest thing we can see because light is what our vision is based on. I bet there is no limit.

[Mandich]

Shadow- that assumption(nothing is faster than light) was the so called proof that time travel isn't possible. Now that they found out neutrins are faster, I didn't say it is possible, I said it COULD be possible. Big difference there

[Nick]

Yeh i reckon time travel will be possible one day. But not in the sense that you can go from one time to another time, but more in the sense that "time" will no longer be linear, or even exist at all, and therefore the past and the future and the present are the same thing. (disclaimer: that's an opinion-based prediction, not fact)

It's only a matter of time before the discoveries unfold.

Thought energy is a vibration of frequency, just like everything else in physical reality. I don't know how to put it any simpler.

proof or ban

You're going to have to especially back up those numbers. And how thought is higher than light or heat. And how my CPU is "faster" than light based on this scale.

It's not a measurement of speed. It's a measurement of vibration. I.e. density. I can't really back the numbers up, i read it in a book. I could google-research it i guess but i can't be bothered and i don't really care whether you believe it or not, haha. Maybe you can be bothered. Let me know what you find.

[shadowgrin]

that assumption(nothing is faster than light) was the so called proof that time travel isn't possible

proof or ban.
I'm not saying that as an NLSC meme, I'm pleading to the mods on that one.

I didn't say it is possible, I said it COULD be possible. Big difference there

tbh I don't really believe any semantics argument coming from you considering that Koko the gorilla could possibly make more sense than you.

Oh what the heck...
But you implied that time travel is possible based on the same notion that nothing is faster than light. To make it simple...

Before (those experiments):
You can do time travel if you exceed the speed of light. But since nothing is faster than light it's not possible.

After:
Neutrins are faster than light. Time travel is possible!
Not really. It's still not sure that if you exceed the speed of light or those neurins that you can do time travel based on exceeding some (unknown) speed limit.

[benji]

Yeh i reckon time travel will be possible one day. But not in the sense that you can go from one time to another time, but more in the sense that "time" will no longer be linear, or even exist at all, and therefore the past and the future and the present are the same thing. (disclaimer: that's an opinion-based prediction, not fact)

smh.

It's not a measurement of speed. It's a measurement of vibration. I.e. density. I can't really back the numbers up, i read it in a book. I could google-research it i guess but i can't be bothered and i don't really care whether you believe it or not, haha. Maybe you can be bothered. Let me know what you find.

Ah, so it's a bunch of new age bullshit (but I repeat myself...believe it and it's true!) from people who know absolutely zero about any actual science let alone understand anything about actual quantum theory. We're excepting the fact you like read it in a book sometime and it like totally described the intrinsic paradigms of life man but you can't like remember any of it or anything except for the exact vibration figures of sound/heat/light and THOUGHT.

Pro-tip: Read what you write. You brought up this vibration crap as some sort of "obvious" factor to why things can be faster than light. Then claimed light vibrates at 3 million per second.

Fun-fact: 3 GHz is 3 billion actual vibrations per second. By a fucking man made object.

You really should "google-research it" because then you'll learn exactly where those bullshit figures come from. Don't worry, your daily affirmations will absolve you of buying the snake oil peddled by a 1920s adviser to a complete scumbag by making the world change to fit how you want it to be. That's way more rational than what became and remains the dominant base for the modern understanding of physics.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Nick]

Cool ben.

[Andrew]

I suspected the speed of light was not the fastest. It's only the fastest thing we can see because light is what our vision is based on. I bet there is no limit.

...leading scientists to increase the speed of light in 2208.



Additionally: Scientists reject startling claims that the speed of light has been broken for a second time

[Mandich]

Shadow- scientist really don't know much about the structure of the neutrinos. It is an electrically neutral, weakly interacting elementary subatomic particle. One thing the scientist don't know is the mass of the neutrino, if they even have one. If neutrinos are massless, they must travel at the speed of light. However, if they have mass, they cannot reach the speed of light. The experiment showed that they travel FASTER than the speed of light.Obviosuly prior to this discovery time travel was something we could only see in science fiction. Perhaps it will stay that way, but you can't say that man kind isn't one step closer to time travel. I obviously turned up to be overly optimistic with that idea, and am a belliever that it can be done.

About Neutrinos - They are proven to be faster than light. neutrinos don't make the best vessel signal-wise sending them to the past because they pass through ordinary matter almost unaffected, interacting only so much with the wider world.
So pshysicists could theoretically send them into the past, THEORETICALLY, OK SHADOW? But even if they would succeed in that matter, chances of someone noticing them are almost equal to zero. Sending messagges to the past is obviously more likely and easy than time travel. But one step at a time, we could reach that point one day. Just look what we accomplished in the last 100 years. Technology and science are improving so drastically that this can only be a good thing.

You really can't make many hard facts on about if it is really possible or not, but you can always hope

[shadowgrin]

You do realize that your hope for time travel to the past is based on your understanding of physics that is based or a result of Einstein's work, one of which is that nothing can be faster than light. If the particle is indeed proven to be faster than light then your understanding of time travel to the past is also invalid since the basis and the whole concept for its possibility is now invalid. As you eloquently put it...

The whole theory of relativity is now bullshit.

the experiment showed that they travel FASTER than the speed of light.

So? it still doesn't prove that time travel to the past is possible just by exceeding the speed of light (or even neutrinos) for that matter.
(with edits)

It's still not sure that if you exceed the speed of light or those neutrons that you can do time travel (to the past) based on exceeding some (unknown) speed limit.

So pshysicists could theoretically send them into the past, THEORETICALLY, OK SHADOW?

THEORETICALLY speaking, how is it possible that they would do that? By exceeding the speed of light? But....(with edits)

It's still not sure that if you exceed the speed of light or those neutrons that you can do time travel (to the past) based on exceeding some (unknown) speed limit.

But even if they would succeed in that matter, chances of someone noticing them are almost equal to zero. Sending messagges to the past is obviously more likely and easy than time travel.

Causality violation/paradox. Yeah, real easy. Might as well divide by zero while we're at it.

[Mandich]

it's easy compared to time travel. Damn you are an word-bitch aren't you ?

[shadowgrin]

So you can't comprehend your own ramblings and resort to bitch calling?

Sending messages to the past is still the same principle as time travel to the past. It doesn't make it less easy.

[Mandich]

I can comperhend, no worriess Shadow

I never said it was easy. I find this very hard to discuss with you as you constantly want to prove me wrong, and prove me an idiot. Well sorry for my bad grammar shadow I'm not a native speaker, and therotically time trave and sending messages is as possible as it is imposible.

[shadowgrin]

I can comperhend, no worriess Shadow

I never said it was easy. I find this very hard to discuss with you as you constantly want to prove me wrong, and prove me an idiot. Well sorry for my bad grammar shadow I'm not a native speaker, and therotically time trave and sending messages is as possible as it is imposible.

No, I don't want to prove you wrong. I want you to comprehend. As far I'm concerned you and I can both be wrong about time travel but the initial statement you said makes no sense if you think about it.


You never said it was easy? Wat? It's just two posts above this post?

it's easy compared to time travel. Damn you are an word-bitch aren't you ?

[Mandich]

I said I was overly optimistic

I obviously turned up to be overly optimistic

yes it's more likely to happen than time travel. I was comparing those two. Not sending messages through time in general.