Zeitgeist: Addendum

[NovU]

This is a heavy topic that many wouldn't find to be interested about, but if you haven't, I suggest you watch the documentary first. You can watch it on youtube anyways. Here's the link to the first part and please finish it as it'll get more and more interesting as it goes on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT-2fenm ... re=related

I believe more than half the world knew there were stuff like this going on but not with great details. The documentary isn't perfect, but I think it is educational to those who have absolutely no idea how it is.

As for my thoughts, it isn't fair, but it is what it is and it's good that some people are actually starting to pay attention.

[Phil89]

It's easy to get taken in by conspiracy films like that. They are designed to maximize an emotional response at the expense of reasoned argument.

I remember watching some 9/11 conspiracy theory film and by the end I found myself believing the things they were saying. But once I took a minute to think about these things and do my own research, I discovered that they conveniently left things out or bent the facts to suit their argument.

[NovU]

Well... I wouldn't say it's a conspiracy film, but based on some facts and assumptions mixed for sure. It's the world that 1% controls, and we hear it everyday. The film's idea of having no monetary system sounds farfetched. Overall, I found this film very interesting and educational.

[benji]

Someday conspiracy nuts will actually have uncovered a conspiracy and not have to use "creative" editing, confusion and obfuscation to tell about it. And nobody will believe them.

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Movies that are "just raising questions" by setting a bunch of vague poorly sourced claims to creepy music without offering answers or even making direct claims so as to provide deniability later are never "great movies". They are just more mass product for the "sheeple" to devour while condemning "sheeple" who view things through a different prism.

We have somehow survived "Loose Change" and "Unfastened Coins", we will survive my upcoming "shocking film" about the Gypsy plot to destroy the US Economy with NBA Live 08 (vague mildly related creepy sounding title forthcoming...focus groups weren't scared enough by "Dropping Dimes"), and we will survive "Zeigeist".

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So groundbreaking! My entire belief system has been challenged! I wasn't Christian before, but I was considering it, had saw good things in the paper, and they always had such good cookies. But not now, now I know to not believe it!

Anyway, as I stated before, the movie is not offering any answers, or telling me anything "new". You say there are flaws in the story of Christianity? You say there are some things you do not understand or refuse to believe about 9/11? You say people are willing give up control of their own lives? Alright, so what should be done about it? Offer me some delicious solutions to ponder.

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Zeitgeist, like all of these films and a certain MIT linguist are built from the following premise: You are already sympathetic, have your prism setup and are willing to believe anything we carefully "outline" for you but never actually say. Most of the stuff in the third part ("Federal Reserve") is massively overexaggerated, but does contain pieces of truth. They throw all the information at you with the point of what...I don't know, they don't say. I use similar examples, I properly call the New Deal fascist, I disdain the authoritarianism of "hate speech" laws and "universal" health insurance. Yet nobody is calling me a groundbreaking contrarian thinker and demanding people listen to me.

Yes, I went into this film putting the burden of proof on it. Like I always do to pretty much everything. And like most internet videos "just asking questions" or trying to "make [me] think", it failed by being stupid and cliche.

It is a poorly crafted film. It is juvenile in content. When it is called "Fred Claus", it gets a 23% on Rotten Tomatoes. When it is "Zeitgeist", everyone on the internet thinks I need to watch it.

I doubt the year and a half old Addendum addresses any of this.

[volsey]

Diggin

I had watched the first Zeitgeist over a year ago, thought it was alright to watch as I've never actually seen an entire conspiracy-type movie all the way through. I knew of the style and guidelines almost all of them follow, but didn't take any of it seriously, as again movies that are based so strongly around facts that are made up/without sources, or just down right dumb aren't worth anyone's time. I wouldn't ever recommend to anyone to ever watch the first one. From what I remember the movie itself is an incredible hypocrisy, main message is don't follow blindly, control of the media blah blah blah... Yet some of the douchebag stoners that I know and who actually made me watch the movie in the first place are doing exactly that: "THIS MOVIE REVEALS THE TRUTH."

Anyways really posting because I just watched Addendum. It might be tough to take it seriously as the style in general is the same as every other conspiracy film ever, including the original Zeitgeist. But I came away actually having respect for the film and the overall message it leaves with the viewer. Addendum differs from the first one as the message is conveyed without the use of BS facts and absolute lies. I'm not saying everything in the film itself is true, but rather they don't necessarily have to be absolutely true in order for you to see the relevance in the world today.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of flaws in the film. But I do agree that the monetary system will reach its end fairly soon, I'd like to believe in my lifetime, but probably not. I honestly have no knowledge, or interest in the problems with the economy, the fundamental "money is debt" logic, but rather the limits, constraints, and moral obligations and human behaviours that the system imposes. Also I really liked the Social Engineer in the film, seems like a great man, as well as George Carlin who I've always thought was awesome.

I mean it's hard to argue the fundamental lack of morality in business.

I think it's a joke how they portrayed that:
-take away monetary system
-crime becomes extinct
-we all become one
-technology and human coexistence rises
-we all can sleep easier at night... on the moon

but you know that's just how these movies are and you can't really expect more from them. It barely mentions any sort of solution for the problem once again, other than referencing the Venus project and showing some awesome images from The Jetsons every 15 minutes (don't forget the spooky music). I can say I liked the movie.

[kibaxx7]

I also found the first Zeitgeist topics more interesting. Payed more attention to it... As Phil said, by the end I also found myself believing most of them, but then I had a free hour to research something and a lot of different angles surfaced.

[NovU]

The latest documentary I watched was "Corporation" which was about Enron and companies like that. We all know for 100% that Enron really did happen. That's gotta throws you questions how far people are willing to go for money and power.

"Illuminati" was more of a shocker than Zeitgeist btw. Watch it from youtube. It's quite interesting.