Gran Turismo 5 & Forza 4

[Phil89]

Newest trailer

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Nascar trailer

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Damage footage

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Can't wait for this game to come out. I don't know what the record for highest sales of a game is, but this will come very close.

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- Official Licenses - confirmed series are IndyCar, NASCAR, WRC and Japanese Super GT, First time that Ferrari and Bugatti will be in a GT game.

- It's Beautiful - Photo realism, Completely redone engine, from scratch, nothing taken from GT4. Using roughly 500,000 polygons per car compared to 300 of GT1, 60% of development been on making the cars. Game will run at 60 frames per second in full 1080p HD without a hint of a jag or blur. Team took photos of plants, paving slabs and tarmac to make all tracks and environments perfect. All this will only use 80% of the PS3's power accord to Kazunori Yamauchi.

- Damage - Everyone of GT5's impressive roster of vehicles will be wreckable in some way. 170 'premiuim' cars will be fully damage-modelled but every car can be visually broken, with huge consequences for the internal mechanics. brake failures, loss of speed, slower gear changes will just be a few of the consequences. Premium cars is where the real visual treats lie, Kazunori promises not just pre-rendered visual changes - think burnout - but a fully implemented model which reacts to speed, force and angle of a crash and crumples and twists cars accordingly. Interiors will also be affected by crashes and will impair your vision in the cockpit camera angle.

- Environments - 70 circuit variations spread over 20 environments. Nurburgring makes a return, new tracks include Daytona speedway and Dunsford park which is also known as the top gear test track whcih even shows the replays from the same angles as the TV show. A track editor has been heavily hinted at. Dynamic weather and lighting changes for longer races.

- Nearly got 1000 cars - All cars will be accurately modelled and driveable come release. You'll be able to tinker with almost every aspect of the car inside and out. That means both paint-jobs and mechanical tweaks.

- It's innovative - Will have 3D with silky smooth frame rates and solid cars (like tiny 3D models) and crisp scenery. You'll need Sony's forthcoming RealD-Tech glasses (estimated £50-£100) and a 3D ready TV (Samsung offer the UK's only current 3D TV for about £800 but most manufacturers will have 3D TV's by summer 2010). 2 player Split screen will be included and will also run at 60FPS. Head tracking using the PSEye will feature. intergrated with cockpit camera, looking left and right will turn the camera in game. PSP connectivity is a feature, convert those portable credits onto PS3 game and be able to transfer your cars. You can also upload replays straight onto Youtube.com.

[benji]

I don't know what the record for highest sales of a game is, but this will come very close.

With the PS3 install base, I think it'll be lucky to top 2.

And it's definitely not coming close to Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart Wii.

[Phil89]

According to the ever reliable Wikipedia, Wii Play is the highest selling console game of all time with 26.7m copies sold. (Not bundled)

The entire Gran Turismo series has sold over 53m copies worldwide.

Gran Turismo is the #1 selling PS1 game ever with 10.85m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 2 is the #3 selling PS1 game ever with 9.37m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 3 is the #2 selling PS2 game ever with 14.89m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 4 is the #3 selling PS2 game ever with 10.76m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is the #1 selling PS3 game ever with 4.65m copies sold.

So the series is clearly one of the most popular among Sony console users.

Considering that the Need for Speed series has sold nearly double the number that GT has, but it has nearly 3 times as many games as GT.
And GT is exclusively on Sony consoles which makes the comparison even better for them considering NFS is also available on Xbox.

Given that it's been 5+ years since GT4, the anticipation for GT5 is immense. Looking at the list of features it is going to be worth the wait.
Especially now that the graphics are so real. Kazunori Yamauchi seems to be a perfectionist and it looks like that will make this game unbelievable.

Another reason it has the potential to be a massive hit is because car culture is one of the biggest things in the world.

For example, Top Gear is the biggest show in the world. 350 million people in 90 countries watch it. I wouldn't be surprised if they featured the game on the show after it's released. In one episode a few years ago, Jeremy Clarkson did a segment where he did a lap on GT4 in a Honda NSX at Laguna Seca, then tested to see how it compared to doing the lap in real life on the same track with the same car. Overall he complimented it for it's realism.

Then look at films such as The Fast and the Furious series. Over the 4 films it's made nearly $1 billion.

Basicly, within a very popular genre, this series is the best of the best. Who knows how many it will sell. I'm just saying it has the potential to be huge.

[Oznogrd]

we arent talking about the series as a whole. You claimed GT5 by itself would outsell WiiPlay. It will be critically and fan acclaimed im sure, but being ps3 only? it wont even come close to the wii numbers.

[Phil89]

I'm not talking about the series as a whole. I was illustrating my point that the previous games in the series have all been top sellers individually.
When you consider that GT5 Prologue is basically a demo of GT5 and it's still the best selling PS3 game ever. GT5 will sell way more than that.
So you can imagine with the fan base GT has and the 5 year wait for this game, it will have a really good shot at challenging sales records, in my opinion.

[benji]

According to the ever reliable Wikipedia, Wii Play is the highest selling console game of all time with 26.7m copies sold. (Not bundled)

The entire Gran Turismo series has sold over 53m copies worldwide.

Gran Turismo is the #1 selling PS1 game ever with 10.85m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 2 is the #3 selling PS1 game ever with 9.37m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 3 is the #2 selling PS2 game ever with 14.89m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 4 is the #3 selling PS2 game ever with 10.76m copies sold.
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is the #1 selling PS3 game ever with 4.65m copies sold.

So the series is clearly one of the most popular among Sony console users.

Considering that the Need for Speed series has sold nearly double the number that GT has, but it has nearly 3 times as many games as GT.
And GT is exclusively on Sony consoles which makes the comparison even better for them considering NFS is also available on Xbox.

Given that it's been 5+ years since GT4, the anticipation for GT5 is immense. Looking at the list of features it is going to be worth the wait.
Especially now that the graphics are so real. Kazunori Yamauchi seems to be a perfectionist and it looks like that will make this game unbelievable.

Another reason it has the potential to be a massive hit is because car culture is one of the biggest things in the world.

For example, Top Gear is the biggest show in the world. 350 million people in 90 countries watch it. I wouldn't be surprised if they featured the game on the show after it's released. In one episode a few years ago, Jeremy Clarkson did a segment where he did a lap on GT4 in a Honda NSX at Laguna Seca, then tested to see how it compared to doing the lap in real life on the same track with the same car. Overall he complimented it for it's realism.

Then look at films such as The Fast and the Furious series. Over the 4 films it's made nearly $1 billion.

Basicly, within a very popular genre, this series is the best of the best. Who knows how many it will sell. I'm just saying it has the potential to be huge.

Cool story, bro?

Like I said, the PS3 install base is 32-35 million. The best selling version didn't even reach 15 million after a decade out (80% of that time at $20) on a console with a base of 130-150 million.

Even Wii Play, despite being a $10 game and packed with a second Wii-mote, hasn't managed to sell through to more than a third of the Wii user base.

I have no idea why you'd think GT5 will sell to 60% of the PS3 user base. GT5 might sell 80% of its copies in the EU like GT5 Prologue did, but that's not enough to get it past GT3 or probably even GT4 because US sales will most likely be pretty poor for the franchise. The five year wait is also hurting it, a significant swath of the U.S. base went over to Forza and that hasn't exactly lit up the charts.

Of course, we're pretending it even comes out this year.

[Lamrock]

This and God of War 3 make me want a PS3. Of course, this and Twisted Metal PS3 won't be out until 2011 so I'll consider getting one then.

[Phil89]

Cool story, bro?

Like I said, the PS3 install base is 32-35 million. The best selling version didn't even reach 15 million after a decade out (80% of that time at $20) on a console with a base of 130-150 million.

Even Wii Play, despite being a $10 game and packed with a second Wii-mote, hasn't managed to sell through to more than a third of the Wii user base.

I have no idea why you'd think GT5 will sell to 60% of the PS3 user base. GT5 might sell 80% of its copies in the EU like GT5 Prologue did, but that's not enough to get it past GT3 or probably even GT4 because US sales will most likely be pretty poor for the franchise. The five year wait is also hurting it, a significant swath of the U.S. base went over to Forza and that hasn't exactly lit up the charts.

Of course, we're pretending it even comes out this year.

Benji, my comment in my original post was basically a throw away line. I didn't say GT5 would be best seller. I just said I thought it could be.
I didn't do any research or calculations. It is just that I as a fan of this series can't wait to get this game, and if every other fan feels the same way I believe this will sell very well.

I don't think the wait is hurting this game at all. If GT5 is as good as it looks, then it will be streets ahead of Forza and anyone who went over to Forza will come back to GT. They didn't go over to Forza because they thought it was better than GT. They went because they enjoy the genre and because GT5 isn't out yet, Forza is the best available option.

For example, the car interiors on GT5 are superb. NFS:Shift did a pretty good job on this too. But, GT is a level above because it does the whole interior of the car. Looking back in a Ferrari F430 and seeing this is awesome:


Plus in rally cars they included the co-driver. And the fact that they have animation, instead of just sitting there is a testament to the detail in this game.

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GT5 has the NASCAR and WRC licences now. Both of those had their own game series, now they are part of GT5. They will bring new fans over to GT5.
Especially in the US market where NASCAR is popular.

Another exciting addition is the inclusion of these supercars for the first time: Lamborghini Gallardo , Enzo Ferrari , Bugatti Veyron. Obviously there will be more, but those are confirmed so far.

Also speaking of exciting new features, I like that they've added the Top Gear test track to the game. I wonder if the Stig will be the driver when you race there.

It seems that most racing games lately are leaning more towards street racing and drifting. Which GT hasn't done so well yet.

Anyway, I intended this to be a discussion about GT5. Not a debate

I really hope it comes out this year. Most likely it will come out just before Christmas.

Taken from gtplanet.net

Cars in black have been seen in screenshots or have been confirmed by Polyphony through lists
Cars in red have been seen being photographed and tested by Polyphony for the purposes of modeling and may or may not be in GT5
Cars in green have been mentioned by magazines or in interviews as being in the game, yet have not been seen. Also may not be in GT5
Cars featured in the "Vision Gran Turismo" video which were new paintjobs.

Also note that this is not a complete list and there are still plenty of cars to find.

Acura
NSX ('91)

Alfa Romeo
147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark ('06)
Brera Sky Window 3.2 JTS Q4 ('06)

Amuse
S2000 GT1 Turbo
380RS Superleggera (Z33)
(Opera Performance) 350Z RS Gran Turismo

Art Morrison
Corvette Roadster (C1-gen, '60)

ASL
Garaiya (ARTA SuperGT, '08)

Aston Martin
DB9 Coupe ('06)

Audi
R8 R-Tronic ('07)
R8 LMS ('09)
R8 LMS (PlayStation Abt Nur 24, '09)
R8 (PlayStation Team Oreca Le Mans, '05)
R10 TDI (Le Mans, '06)
TT 3.2 Quattro ('03)
TT 3.2 Quattro ('07)

Blitz
Dunlop Skyline (ER34-gen, D1GP '07)

BMW
135i Coupe ('07)
135tii Concept ('08)
M3 Coupe ('07)
Z4 3.0i ('03)
Z4 M Coupe ('08)

Bugatti
Veyron 16.4 ('09)

Chevrolet
Corvette Z06 (C5-gen, '02)
Corvette Z06 (C6-gen, '06)
Corvette ZR-1 (C6-gen, '09)
Impala SS (#14 Tony Stewart NASCAR, '09)
Impala SS (#24 Jeff Gordon NASCAR, '09)
Impala SS (#48 Jimmie Johnson NASCAR, '09)
Impala SS (#88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. NASCAR, '09)

Citroën
C4 Coupe 2.0VTS ('06)
C4 WRC (Red Bull WRC, '08)
GT Concept ('08)

Daihatsu
Copen Active Top ('02)
OFC-1 Concept ('07)

Dodge
Viper GTS ('02)
Viper SRT-10 Coupe
Viper ACR ('08)

Ferrari
330 P3/4 ('67)
458 Italia ('10)
512BB ('76)
599GTB Fiorano ('06)
California ('09)
Enzo ('02)
F2007 (F1, '07)
F40 ('92)
F430 ('06)

Fiat
500 (original)

Ford
Focus ST ('06)
Focus RS WRC 07 (BP Abu Dhabi WRC, '08)
GT ('05)
GT LM Edition Spec-II Test Car
Mustang GT Premium ('07)

Garage Defend
GT-R ('07)

Grand Touring Garage
Mustang "Trans-Cammer" ('70)

High End Performance
G37 ('07)

HKS
CT230R ('08)

Honda
Civic Hatchback (EK-gen)
CR-Z ('10)
HSV-010 GT ('10)
Insight (2nd gen, '10)
Integra Type-R (DC5-gen, '04)
NSX Type-R (1st gen, '92)
NSX Type-R (2nd gen, '02)
NSX (ARTA SuperGT, '06)
NSX (Takata Dome SuperGT, '06)
NSX (Raybrig SuperGT, '06)
S2000
S2000 (Stephen Papadakis, '05)

HPA
TT ('07)

Infiniti
G35 Coupe

Jaguar
XKR R-Performance ('02)
XK Coupe ('06)

Lamborghini
Countach LP400 ('74)
Countach 25th Anniversary Edition ('88)
Gallardo LP560-4 ('08)
Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni ('09)

Lancia
Delta HF Intergrale Evoluzione ('91)

Lexus
IS350 (WedsSport SuperGT '08)
IS-F ('07)
LFA ('09)[color]
SC430 (Bandai Direzza SuperGT '06)
SC430 (Petronas Tom's SuperGT '08)
SC430 (Denso Dunlop SARD SuperGT '08)

Lotus
Elise ('96)
Elise Sport 190 ('98)
Elise ('00)
Elise 111R ('04)
Esprit V8 ('02)
Evora ('09)

Maserati
[color=#FF0000]Spyder

Mazda
787B (Le Mans, '91)
Atenza Sport ('07)
Eunos Roadster (NA-gen, '89)
Furai Concept
Roadster (NB-gen)
Roadster (NC-gen, '05)
RX-7 Type-RS-R (FD-gen, '97)
RX-7 Spirit-R Type-A (FD-gen, '02)
RX-8 Type-S ('03)

McLaren
F1 ('94)

Mercedes-Benz
300SL Coupe ('54)
C63 AMG (W204-gen, '08)
SL55 AMG ('02)
SLR McLaren ('03)
SLS AMG ('10)

Mine's
Skyline GT-R N1 Base (R34-gen, '06)

Mini
Cooper S ('06)

Mitsubishi
Lancer Evolution IV GSR ('96)
Lancer Evolution IX GSR ('05)
Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium ('07)

Nissan
(Nismo) Skyline GT-R R-Tune R1 (R33-gen, '99)
350Z ('03)
370Z ('09)
Fairlady Z Version S (Z33-gen, '07)
Fairlady Z (Z34-gen, '10)
Fairlady Z (Xanavi Nismo SuperGT, '06)
Fairlady Z (Xanavi Nismo SuperGT, '07)
GT-R Proto concept ('05)
GT-R "Black Mask" prototype ('07)
GT-R ('08)
GT-R Spec-V ('09)
GT-R (Xanavi Nismo SuperGT, '08)
GT-R (Motul Autech SuperGT, '08)
GT-R (Calsonic Impul SuperGT, '08)
GT-R (Yellow Hat YMS Tomica SuperGT, '08)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32-gen, '94)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33-gen, '97)
Skyline GT-R V-Spec Nur (R34-gen, '02)
Skyline 370GT Type SP Coupe (V36-gen, '07)
Skyline 350GT Type SP Sedan (V36-gen, '06)
Skyline Coupe Concept ('07)

Pescarolo
C60 Hybrid-Judd (GT4 PlayStation 2 Le Mans, '05)

Peugeot
207GTI ('07)
307CC Premium AVN ('04)

RE Amemiya
RX-7 (FD-gen)
RX-7 (Aspara Drink JGTC, '06)

Renault
Clio Renault Sport V6 24V ('00)

Subaru
Impreza WRX STi Spec-C Type-RA (GD-III gen, '05)
Impreza WRX STi BBS Wheel Option (GE gen, '08)
Impreza WRC98 (Subaru WRC, '98)
Impreza WRC2008 (Subaru WRC, '08)

Suzuki
Cappuccino ('95)
Cervo SR ('07)
Swift Sport ('07)
SX4 WRC (Shell Helix WRC, '08)

Tesla
Roadster Sport ('08)

Toyota
Camry (#11 Denny Hamlin NASCAR, '09)
Camry (#55 Michael Waltrip NASCAR, '09)
Celica GT-Four (TTE WRC, '95)
FT-86 Concept ('09)
FT-86 G Sports Concept ('10)
Prius (3rd-gen, '10)
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86-gen, '83)
Supra (Tom's Castrol JGTC, '97)
Supra (Yellow Hat YMS SuperGT, '05)

Trial
Celica SS-II ('03)

TVR
Tamora ('02)
Tuscan Speed Six ('00)

Volkswagen
Golf IV GTi ('01)
Golv V GTI ('05)

Zele
Skyline 370GT Coupe Gran Turismo Edition (V36-gen, '09)

[shadowgrin]

Discussing about cars and racing makes my penis erect.

[Azzdogs]

I cant wait to get this game

[Phil89]

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6739.html

GDC 10: GT5 Will Release Before 2011
The saga of the Gran Turismo 5 release date continues, but at least Sony seems confident it will launch this year.

The first official date was March 2010 but as we all know, GT5 isn't scheduled to release this month. The new prediction has put the launch somewhere around the fall or early winter, but we've got a new update from Sony boss Peter Dille, who spoke during their GDC press conference about this subject. He said quite simply that GT5 will indeed be on store shelves before 2011; it's technically an "official announcement" even though it doesn't come with a specific day. Kazunori Yamauchi is one of the industry's most meticulous perfectionists and he won't accept anything less than a revolutionary driving simulator. Polyphony is also working to implement a few nifty new features, like 3D and GPS but really, the fans just want to see the final product arrive in stores. The good news is that Sony could definitely use a AAA PS3 exclusive for the holiday season; we got Heavy Rain and God of War III in the first quarter, but we definitely need another rush of exclusive goodness before the holidays hit. Wouldn't GT5 be a huge help...? Talk about important sales.

Right now, perhaps it'd be safe to assume that the game will release in November. That's a fairly safe bet; it's a strategic time for launch and racing fans everywhere are already drooling.

Not exactly a guarantee, but it still gives me a bit of hope.

[kibaxx7]

Discussing about cars and racing makes my penis erect.

We are two.

[Phil89]

Who here is gonna get this when it eventually comes out?

Sony Rep: GT5 Planned for October 2010
According to an Italian gaming site, a Sony representative at last week’s Game Developers Conference informed them the company was looking to release Gran Turismo 5 in October of this year. While GT5 received little attention at the show, Sony’s marketing vice president, Peter Dille, re-affirmed the game would release this year. Of course, October also fits nicely within the “fall” release window mentioned by European Sony executive James Armstrong last month.

This gives Sony plenty of time to establish themselves in the 3D television market over the summer, providing the platform to introduce GT5 as the technology’s “killer app” at the start of the popular holiday buying season. While we must be wary of this somewhat anonymous source of information, it lines up with everything else we’ve been hearing as of late. Time will, as always, tell.

[Lamrock]

Me if I get a PS3 by then (which will be tempting with GoW 3 and TMPS3 coming out)

[Phil89]

Another clip. I read an article about this car in Top Gear Australia magazine and they said it was designed to be the best drift car in the world.

Seems to go alright...

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[shadowgrin]

I still don't get what's the big deal with drifting. Sure it takes skill for the driver to handle a drifting car but the same can also be said of non-drift cars, I still don't get it.

[Phil89]

Maybe it's something to do with being on the very limit of grip at high speeds, but still being in control. It's an adrenaline rush I guess.

"I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but the most exciting way" - Keiichi Tsuchiya aka "Drift King"

[shadowgrin]

At high speeds grip is at its limit and even nondrift drivers apply their skill to retain that control. Got to admit that drifting looks cool. maybe it's that factor what makes drifitng popular.

[Phil89]

How cool does this look Not only interior detail level, but driver motions.

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[Phil89]

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[Phil89]

Damage to non 'race' cars.

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[Dee.]

The graphics are so damn realistic.

[Phil89]

Each car is meant to have 500,000 polygons. This one has 192,000 and looks so lifelike. Watch it in 1080p.
And to think the cars on GT1 only had 300 polygons.

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[J@3]

I hope Phil's version of the game comes with a box of tissues.

[Phil89]

Why is that?