Dog Fighting

[Doobie]

What are your opinions on dog fighting? Everyone has a different view on dog fighting but I really don't agree with it. It is really cruel to use your animals like Pokemon and have em attack eachother. That's my view on it, anyone care to discuss this?

[Jackal]

Dogfighting is for wimps. So is cock fighting. (Although I'd love to fight Shadow's cock with mine. )

Uhm, no what I was saying...making animals fight one another for the sheer amusement of oneself is sickening. The animal's don't have common sense, humans do. Yet we deem this kind of behaviour as "normal". Atleast, some of us do.

The world's gone to shit in a handbasket, I don't know if dicussing it really does much good, but hey, we do what we must to amuse ourselves, right?

[Joe']

(Although I'd love to fight Shadow's cock with mine.)

Does anyone else find that extremely disturbing?

Anyway, I agree with both of you. I'd like to grab the ignorant sons of bitches that do this shit and beat them to death.

It's true, the world's gone crazy.

[shadowgrin]

Do you find it extremely disturbing that it turns you on? Admit it, you want in on the action too Joe'.

Although I'd love to fight Shadow's cock with mine.

Not unless you call me Kool Moe Dee.
Correction, make that Daddy Kool Moe Dee.

making animals fight one another for the sheer amusement of oneself is sickening. The animal's don't have common sense, humans do

I would really love to hear your opinion about boxing.

[hammertime23]

I don't think it's right but it's definitely not as bad as people make it sound. I get how people with dogs are really aggravated about this. But if pit bulls are bred by these guys to fight i don't see what else they would do with them. if 2 dogs have tension they are going to fight. straight up killing dogs is bad but dog fighting is a sport. i know this is gonna sound bad but i think of it like horse racing. people force horses to run and they whip them to make them run faster. what im saying is there just animals they have there own natures. pit bulls are more aggressive dogs and thats kind of in their blood.

But let me repeat i am against dog fighting, i just don't think its that big of a deal.

[Jackal]

First, you'll always be Shadow to me. Kool Moe Dee is just some poser trying to be cool. Sorry.

I would really love to hear your opinion about boxing.

I think since Ali, boxing is equivelant to dog fighting. Bunch of mindless men beating eachother up. Does it require skill? Sure. But that's not all it takes for me to respect it. You have to have the mind for it too.

Ali had the brains for the sport. He psyched you out like a motherfucker. People say Tyson psyched you out aswell, but that's bullshit. Tyson was a crazy ass motherfucker, what he was doing...was normal to him. No psyching required.

Basically I think it's just as mindless. If you want to fight...fight. Don't make a spectacle out of it. What won't we pay money for these days?

I should go stand in the middle of Amsterdam and shit in public. Then hang a sign next to my poop and say it looks like Jesus. Pay me five bucks to see it my Jesus poop. I bet you I'd get atleast 10 bucks. Why? Because people today are just that dense. Jesus doesn't even exsist. Even if my shit did look like Jesus, who said Jesus (who didn't exsist) looked like that? Maybe Jesus was someone from "Black Beach". Not "white beach".

Who knows.

What am I talking about?

[maceo24]

Anyway, I agree with both of you. I'd like to grab the ignorant sons of bitches that do this shit and beat them to death.

I'd put them in a ring and have them beat themselves to death.

[hammertime23]

That's what UFC is for.

[maceo24]

lol... true, but there you can walk out of the ring, sometimes. I mean really fight to the death. Make them sleep in their own feces and feed them the bare minimum to keep them alive. Then walk them around on leashes as our prized fighting animals.

I'd want them humiliated and debased publicly, which is something jail still fails to do.

[Christopherson]

If you want death fights for those who force animals to fight to the death, do you think that somehow makes you better than them?

[maceo24]

Im not planning on betting on them, but in the tradition of an eye for an eye, I think it is a fitting punishment. Im not asking for pay-per-view, but instead of a slap on the wrist at some pussied-out low security correctional facility built for celebrities. Actually punish them.

Maybe people would respect the life of other living things if they knew they could be doing it themselves.

[cyanide]

But if pit bulls are bred by these guys to fight i don't see what else they would do with them.

They shouldn't be bred and raised to fight against each other in the first place. Know what else they do, if the pit bulls aren't good enough to their fighting standards? They get murdered.

[Gundy]

Yea, and fuck that "it's part of a culture" argument. That doesn't make it right. Whoever is involved in dogfighting is aware that what they are doing is wrong but they don't care and do it anyway because they get pleasure out of watching dogs kill eachother and making money off of it. It's not a sport. A sport has to involve some type of skill being put to use.
Stephon Marbury (idiot) tried to argue that dogfighting is no worse than deer hunting. While personally, I would never shoot a deer, that argument doesn't hold water. Deer hunters have to have patience and skill. They don't cause prolonged pain and torture to the animal. It will either just fall right away or run a bit before it falls. Dogfighting requires no skill. It is inhumane and atrocious.

[Christopherson]

the tradition of an eye for an eye,

Eye for an eye? So you are saying the life of a dog equals the life of a human. Think about that the next time you see someone hit a dog on the highway. Do they deserve to die as well? I agree dogfighting is sick and that anyone involved has a huge debt to pay to society, but to argue that these men should fight to the death puts you on their level. If for one would like to believe I am better than that and realize that to impose a barbaric punishment such as that makes me as guilty as they.

[maceo24]

Hitting a dog on the highway is not intentional, stop splitting hairs on that. Not only was this cruel and unusual punishment of the dogs, they profited immensely from it. Reprehensible is not the word. I understand your stance on the punishment, but you know what, look at our prison system. Obviously the "civil and humane" treatment isnt working the way that it should, because there are more people in jail now more than ever. In some ways people arent even afraid to go to prison. Especially the high profile cases, they know they wont be touched. They are treated leagues better than you or I would be if put in the same situation. In my opinion its time to start treating criminals with the same respect (or lack thereof) they treat the american legal institution with. While there are some rare instances where leniency should be shown, I dont believe this should be the case here. He was clearly involved, and he lied through his fucking teeth about it for 2 months. I sincerely wish there was a harsher punishment available to be applied, and I'm very sick of people being concerned with the rights of lawbreakers, you break the law (both legal and moral in this case) youve forfeited the right to be handled with tender loving care.

Dogs are not human, but it doesnt makes the treatment shown here no less barbaric.

edit- as for the punishment, think of it like this.

2 kids get caught smoking by their dad.

Kid A gets a long lecture on the dangers of cigarettes, gets his bike taking for the week or something. 3 weeks later the same kids gets caught smoking again.

Kid B's dad is old school, and makes Kid B smoke the rest of the pack in front of him. Kid is sick for about a day, but he never touches another cigarette again.


Which would you consider the more effective method of discipline?

[cyanide]

While personally, I would never shoot a deer, that argument doesn't hold water. Deer hunters have to have patience and skill. They don't cause prolonged pain and torture to the animal. It will either just fall right away or run a bit before it falls.

A little known fact, but deer hunting is encouraged for the balance of nature, and to keep down overpopulation.

Kid B's dad is old school, and makes Kid B smoke the rest of the pack in front of him. Kid is sick for about a day, but he never touches another cigarette again.

Just playing devil's advocate, but what if he touches another cigarette since that method of discipline backfired?

[shadowgrin]

First, you'll always be Shadow to me. Kool Moe Dee is just some poser trying to be cool. Sorry.

Being Kool Moe Dee is just a phase after hearing some of his works. It'll eventually flush out of my system.

I get what you say about boxing, the first part of your post anyway, especially since you managed to insert Ali in it.

The world doesn't have athletes like Ali nowadays who have the combination of being smart and extremely charismatic. Who else would go out of his way to practice with the masses by jogging in public and going to your opponents practice facility with people trailing and chanting against the opponent just to psyche him out (Ali against Foreman in Africa).

Larry Bird certainly isn't a people person, he would rather practice than go to public engagements.
Magic Johnson was too charismatic, that why he got AIDS. (I know, lame joke)
Michael Jordan could be close but he values his privacy that's why the hordes of bodyguards even when going to his own restaurant.
Gilbert Arenas might be the closest right now, but he's borderline crazy or just plain weird.

And cock fighting isn't that taboo for me (no sexual references intended), since it's part of the culture here. We basically have arenas over the provinces just for cock fighting.
When the rooster dies or loses in a fight, it gets eaten. Even in death the rooster is put to good use and isn't wasted.
Unlike dog fighting where the losing dog gets killed whether in the fight or after it and it's just that of a waste. Unless one eats dogs.

[benji]

Michael Jordan could be close but he values his privacy that's why the hordes of bodyguards even when going to his own restaurant.

I sincerely wish there was a harsher punishment available to be applied, and I'm very sick of people being concerned with the rights of lawbreakers, you break the law (both legal and moral in this case) youve forfeited the right to be handled with tender loving care.

That kinda goes against the design of the American legal system...

[shadowgrin]

Well I'll be damned.
MJ always has the moves. With cigar in hand.

[maceo24]

Awesome picture.

I know what I'm saying goes against the lenient nature of US law, but I'm saying that because the current way is largely exploited for loopholes and non-effective against repeat offenders, I wouldnt mind America taking a tougher stance, even if it can be perceived as a little barbaric. Its too easy to take advantage of the system. Crime pays in spades here, to the point that for most crimes, even if caught, they benefit more than they lose. That needs to change if they want to really deter people from doing it.

I know that is a painting a broad stroke, but the disciplinary action against vick is going to be light at best, little to no jail time, and will prove to be a microcosm of the point I am contending.

[Joe']

Do you find it extremely disturbing that it turns you on? Admit it, you want in on the action too Joe'.

You caught me...

Man, that MJ pic is great

[Christopherson]

Maceo24, I actually tend to agree with you about the prison system in our country. I personally don't think they should be given things like cable TV or any sort of perqs of any kind. If it were up to me, I would give them the option to work in factorys of some kind while in prison. It would be a sort of reward for good behavior. They could help curb the costs associated with their incarseration as well as earn a dollar and hour or so that would go into an account they would have access to after they got out of prison. So many people get out and have no where to go but back into a life of crime. With this money they earned while in prison, they would be able to get on their feet and get a job instead of committing more crimes.

As for the dogfighting stuff, I just can't agree with the notion that killing a dog is as bad as killing a human. I mean, even if you kill a human by accident, you still are charged with serious crimes. I guess maybe since I've lived around so many animals both wild and domestic that maybe I have a different view than most. I just wanted to play devil's advocate a little bit.

A little known fact, but deer hunting is encouraged for the balance of nature, and to keep down overpopulation.

As for deer hunting, there are also lots of people who depend on it for thier own livelyhood.

[Joe']

So many people get out and have no where to go but back into a life of crime. With this money they earned while in prison, they would be able to get on their feet and get a job instead of committing more crimes.

You always have the option to work and have a clean, decent life; People that get out of jail go back to their "crime lives" because it's easier.

That's the reason most people go to jail in the first place. Because they're lazy, ignorant fucks.

[shadowgrin]

Or society is biased towards former law offenders that society doesn't necessarily make it easy for the former jailbirds to land a job?