9/11 Video

[ShAuN]

I found this video on google.com. Its crazy......But I dont beleive it heres the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 94&q=9-11'


Tell me what ur thoughts are.....LOL I cant wait for Riots oppinion

[Riot]

We've already had topics on the 9/11 conspiracy theories and they are all a joke.

Are you telling me this administration is able to keep a secret of this magnitude kept? Someone undoubtedly would have leaked this out by now. And I suppose Bush paid of Bin Laden to say he did it, right?

[ShAuN]

So Riot do you think the Government accually planned it? The Pentagonand Other one that happend in a field seemed to be only Missles. What do u think?

[Jowe]

The us government did train osama bin laden though...

[Riot]

No, the government did not do this. There were planes used in the attacks in NYC, the Pentagon and in Penn. 4 planes were missing (hijacked) on that day. There were people on board the plane (flight 93 I think) who called their loved ones saying they were going to over take the hijackers and they did.

There was plane wreckage in the field and in the Pentagon. The government didn't shot a missile at the buildings and a missile was not shot from a commerical jet. It was a very well thought out plan and they executed it. We weren't ready for an attack like that.

If the government wanted to create propaganda to go to war in the Middle East they could have easily done it. Hell, they did it after 9/11 and they still are doing it. But, if Bush wanted to go into Iraq (which he did) or into Afghanistan before 9/11, he could have. This attack was done by jihadists who wanted to be cowards and attack America without facing any consquences of their actions. Well, America is delivering those consquences everyday in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Riot]

The us government did train osama bin laden though...

That is correct, but that has nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

[Jing]

hm.. i know bush is dumb, but he aint to the point where he'll go and kill couple thousands of his people

[ShAuN]

No way Bush did that. I mean there were some things in there that I wasnt sure about. Then I talked to Riot and he explained it. No way the US Government did that.

[Riot]

hm.. i know bush is dumb, but he aint to the point where he'll go and kill couple thousands of his people

Well, first thing is first; Bush isn't dumb. Secondly, if he wanted to prove a point and get the public's support of a War in Iraq he could have. But after 9/11, that made his job so much more easier. But that doesn't mean he is behind the attacks, that is just stupid.

[Jing]

yeah ur right he refers back to it in like every other sentence.
certainly aint behind him alright

[J@3]

Well, first thing is first; Bush isn't dumb.

No comment.

[shadowgrin]

Bush isn't dumb compared to..

[Jing]

ah this is a different video from the one i was thinking of...
much better too
love the commentator / narrator

[Heiks]

Bush isn't dumb compared to..

Chimps? Atleast he is comapared to them a lot.

[Username123]

I am pretty sure there was no plane wreckage found any where near the Pentagon. If you look at the pictures closely you can clearly see that a hole was made in the first wall of the Pentagon and later the wall on the right side of the hole collapsed. I dont think an airplane could have caused so little damage. One more thing, why is there always one video of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon? I am pretty sure Pentagon has lots of cameras inside and outside its walls, but we dont see any of the videos of the plane crashing.

[dada]

Conspiracy talks for the new year.

[Riot]

I am pretty sure there was no plane wreckage found any where near the Pentagon. If you look at the pictures closely you can clearly see that a hole was made in the first wall of the Pentagon and later the wall on the right side of the hole collapsed. I dont think an airplane could have caused so little damage. One more thing, why is there always one video of the "plane" hitting the Pentagon? I am pretty sure Pentagon has lots of cameras inside and outside its walls, but we dont see any of the videos of the plane crashing.

First thing is first:


The reason why you never see a lot of wreckage is because the airliner flew into the 1st and 2nd floors and penerated all 5 rings of the Pentagon. The wreckage, if there was any left after the intense fire, would have been inside the Pentagone. However, the fire was so hot that most of the wreckage was probably melted. I recall firefighters couldn't put the fire out because it was too hot literally 10 hours after the plane hit.

As for the plane doing little damage, what makes you think it did so little? The plane hit inbetween the first and 2nd floors and blasted through re-enforced concrete walls and damage was found all the way into the 5th ring of the Pentagon. The plane created a big hole in the Pentagon (that photographs could capture because of the water and smoke), then about 30 minutes after the attacks the building collapsed around the hole.



That is a photo of the rebuilding effort (2002) after the attacks in the Pentagon. That looks like a lot more than just "small" damage.

As for the video tapes, they have video tapes but they are not releasing them to the public. The reason why we have video tapes of the WTC getting attacked is because tourists had their cameras out and the news had their cameras out after the first attack.

[Jing]

shame nobody had video before hand

and the thing about bin laden was funny, it reminded me of family guy

[Username123]

The reason why you never see a lot of wreckage is because the airliner flew into the 1st and 2nd floors and penerated all 5 rings of the Pentagon. The wreckage, if there was any left after the intense fire, would have been inside the Pentagone. However, the fire was so hot that most of the wreckage was probably melted. I recall firefighters couldn't put the fire out because it was too hot literally 10 hours after the plane hit.

Alright i believe that the wreckage was inside the pentagon, this also makes me believe that the fire would have spread and damaged the walls. All of this is true from the pictures. You also say that the fire was too hot and melted a plane?? As shown in the video, the engines of a the Boeing are made out of Titanium and this element melts at 1688 Degrees Celsius, and jet fuel from the plane burns at a maximum of 1000 degrees Celsius. So its basically impossible that the engines/plane was "melted" away. Lets not forget you said that the wreckage was done inside the Pentagon, take a look at this picture

This picture was taken after the intense fire, and you can clearly see a Computer Monitor on top of a desk undamaged. Now you expect me to believe that a plane was melted into little debris and a computer monitor and desk were not.

As for the plane doing little damage, what makes you think it did so little? The plane hit inbetween the first and 2nd floors and blasted through re-enforced concrete walls and damage was found all the way into the 5th ring of the Pentagon. The plane created a big hole in the Pentagon (that photographs could capture because of the water and smoke), then about 30 minutes after the attacks the building collapsed around the hole.

I know that the plane did break through a total of 9 feet of steel re-enforced walls. The hole made from the impact was around 16 feet as stated in the movie, if you look at the impact from the twin towers you can see the plane leaves a outline of its self on the building when it crashed, but in the Pentagon it doesnt and why is that? I really don't think a Boeing would fit in a 16 feet wide hole.

Some people state that the wings and were broken off before it crashed into the wall of the Pentagon, if they were broken off why is there no wings shown in the pictures even before the wall collapsed.

That is a photo of the rebuilding effort (2002) after the attacks in the Pentagon. That looks like a lot more than just "small" damage.

You do know that that much of the pentagon was not destroyed, the pictures you see clearly don’t show damage to all of the wall, yes the wall was probably burnt but not damaged from the outside. This is the picture of the damage done by the “air plane” note you can still see that some of the windows are not destroyed.

As for the video tapes, they have video tapes but they are not releasing them to the public.

Why is that? If there is nothing to hide, why not show the tapes? And the 5 frames which were released showed the date September 12, 2001 not September 11.

[Riot]

Very nice post Wisdom_kid, I'm impressed.

Alright i believe that the wreckage was inside the pentagon, this also makes me believe that the fire would have spread and damaged the walls. All of this is true from the pictures. You also say that the fire was too hot and melted a plane?? As shown in the video, the engines of a the Boeing are made out of Titanium and this element melts at 1688 Degrees Celsius, and jet fuel from the plane burns at a maximum of 1000 degrees Celsius. So its basically impossible that the engines/plane was "melted" away. Lets not forget you said that the wreckage was done inside the Pentagon, take a look at this picture

This picture was taken after the intense fire, and you can clearly see a Computer Monitor on top of a desk undamaged. Now you expect me to believe that a plane was melted into little debris and a computer monitor and desk were not.

Like you said, the planed crashed into re-enforced concrete walls. Do you think the jet engines would stay together at such impact? The engines were blown into thousands of pieces, scattered across the pentagon (inside and outside). I believe it was the FBI who had like 5 boxes full of debris from the plane. So it isn't like the plane disapeared, it's just when the plane hit the wall it exploded and shattered.

I know that the plane did break through a total of 9 feet of steel re-enforced walls. The hole made from the impact was around 16 feet as stated in the movie, if you look at the impact from the twin towers you can see the plane leaves a outline of its self on the building when it crashed, but in the Pentagon it doesnt and why is that? I really don't think a Boeing would fit in a 16 feet wide hole.

Some people state that the wings and were broken off before it crashed into the wall of the Pentagon, if they were broken off why is there no wings shown in the pictures even before the wall collapsed.

For this, I am going to quote Paul Boutin (freelance technology writer) and Patrick Di Justo (astrophysics educator at the American Museum of Natural History) to answer this question.

Patrick: I'm not certain the models are to scale, and they're certainly not in the correct orientation. Since the plane hit the ground and skidded into the building, enough energy was lost by the initial impact and friction with the ground that the engines probably did not penetrate the building.

Paul: If you’re going to doctor evidence, do it right: Eyewitness accounts say the plane hit from 45 degrees to the side. Adjust the silhouettes properly, and fix the parallax effect in the second photo. The plane fits the impact area pretty well: Don't look at the collapsed upper floors, but at the wider swatch knocked out of the ground floor. I would expect the wings, being weaker than the building, to collapse on the way in. But with no previous crashes of the sort to guide us, we can't possibly predict what should have happened. If there's anything we learned that day, it's that we are poor judges of what is and isn't possible.


Note, the blackening of the the building that is directly next to the impact zone would be where the wings are. Makes sense.

You do know that that much of the pentagon was not destroyed, the pictures you see clearly don’t show damage to all of the wall, yes the wall was probably burnt but not damaged from the outside. This is the picture of the damage done by the “air plane” note you can still see that some of the windows are not destroyed.

"Recall that when the first airliner was flown into a World Trade Center tower on September 11 — before it was known that the "accident" was really part of a deliberate terrorist attack — newscasters were speculating that a small plane had accidentally flown into the side of the tower, because the visible exterior damage didn't seem as extensive as what people thought a large airliner would cause. Even though the two airplanes flown into the World Trade Center towers were travelling faster at the time of impact than the Pentagon plane was (400 MPH vs. 350 MPH), hit aluminum-and-glass buildings rather than reinforced concrete walls, and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first (as the Pentagon plane did), they still barely penetrated all the way through the WTC towers.

-Snopes

The point is, you cannot see the impact zone because of the fire, water and smoke. And then roughly 30 minutes after the attack the building collapsed around the impact zone. If the building wouldn't have collpased (which would have been a miracle), you probably would have been able to see the impact zone from the airliner.

Why is that? If there is nothing to hide, why not show the tapes? And the 5 frames which were released showed the date September 12, 2001 not September 11.

Probably because they don't want to release them. What would be the point? If you want to know if a plane hit the Pentagon, ask one of the hunderds of eyewitness' who say they saw a plane fly over their head and hit the building.

[Jing]

hm.. what about the other hundreds of witnesses that say that a small jet/missle was the thing that the pentagon.. or what about the towers secondary and so forth explosions? and the explosions that happened in the 2nd tower 50 feet before the plane's impact point before the plane actually hit? and the thing that lit up just before teh plane hit the tower?

they government is hiding something, weither people want to admit it or not.
or um.. what about the 16 or 19 (whatever number it is) suicide guys on the plane, how are they still alive if they went down with the plane with everyone else? how does a paper passport get through 1000+ degrees celcius, and goes flying many blocks and lands in a fbi agents hands?

and the penn crash, why did people see a white jet hovering over the crash area before and after the crash? why was it taht the people who said they saw it were confronted by the FBI right away and told to keep quite?

back to the pentagon, why are all the recongizable pieces in the pengaton remesicent of a small jet they described rather than the 747? and the man who wrote the letter from the company who provided steel for the towers, why did he get fired right away? unless the government is trying to prevent him from talking of course.

and for the pentagon, if INDEED a 747 crashed and was obliterated... and the FBI is 1000% certain it was true, then why are they hiding the tapes, releasing them will only strengthen their arugment, unless they tapes told a different story, then thats the reason they are hiding them.

also one more point, what was the white line on the ground several days before the attack? and why did teh object that hit follow literally EXACTLY that line? and why was the part that was hit the most reinforced part of the pentagon, and why were all the important figureheads on the other side?

i'll wait for riots' response, and then the rest of NLSC will rebut.

[Riot]

hm.. what about the other hundreds of witnesses that say that a small jet/missle was the thing that the pentagon.. or what about the towers secondary and so forth explosions? and the explosions that happened in the 2nd tower 50 feet before the plane's impact point before the plane actually hit? and the thing that lit up just before teh plane hit the tower?

I have yet to see/find a responisble, accruate witness that was there at the pentagon claim that it was a missile over a plane. Not to mention that the FBI found the black boxes aboard the flight that crashed into the Pentagon.

I have yet to get a real answer from those who believe in this conspiracy theory. What happened to Flight 77 and Flight 93 if they didn't crash into the Pentagon and the field? There were people onboard the plane who called their loved ones, recorded calls, and said that the plane was hijacked and they were forced to the back of the plane. We even have the loved ones at witnesses. Their husbands and wives went on those airliners and never came back. Their loved ones called them and told them it was hijacked. So, what happened to those people? Did Bush blow them up too?

they government is hiding something, weither people want to admit it or not.

Oh, I'm sure they are hiding soem facts about the 9/11 attacks. However, what they are holding means nothing about who planned, created and executed the attacks. We all know it was the terrorists and we all know it was funded by Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda. Not only did they claim responsiblity for it, but we have terrorists in custody who either worked on the plan or heard about the plan before the attacks. You should really watch the show Inside 9/11 by the National Geographic channel. It talks about a lot of stuff leading up to the attacks and during the attacks.

or um.. what about the 16 or 19 (whatever number it is) suicide guys on the plane, how are they still alive if they went down with the plane with everyone else? how does a paper passport get through 1000+ degrees celcius, and goes flying many blocks and lands in a fbi agents hands?

Who says the suicide bombers are still alive? That is false, whoever told you they are alive. Those guys went down with the plane. We know that. As for the passport, I'm not sure how they recovered it. My guess is perhaps it was blown out of aircraft during impact. Because when the plane hit the building there were papers flying everywhere from the impact zone. But I do not know that answer.

and the penn crash, why did people see a white jet hovering over the crash area before and after the crash? why was it taht the people who said they saw it were confronted by the FBI right away and told to keep quite?

I have no heard anything about this. It sounds to me like bullshit. But if you can find me a credible link (not some little conspiracy theory website) that supports this I would gladly accept.

back to the pentagon, why are all the recongizable pieces in the pengaton remesicent of a small jet they described rather than the 747? and the man who wrote the letter from the company who provided steel for the towers, why did he get fired right away? unless the government is trying to prevent him from talking of course.

What do you mean it looks like a small jet? The pieces are broken into very tiny pieces, how can you tell what it looks like? This aircraft packed with fuel just hit a re-enforced concrete wall at 350mph, what do you think it will look like? Like my last post said, we have never see an attack like this before in the United States so we do not know what the results should be. But to say that the debris doesn't look like a 747 aircraft is insane, in my opinion.

So what do you think hit it? At first you said it was a missile. Now you say a small aircraft. I've heard stories that it was a van with explosives in it. And with all these conspiracy theories, nobody can answer the simple question. What happened to those American Airlines flights if they didn't hi the Pentagon or crash in the field?

and for the pentagon, if INDEED a 747 crashed and was obliterated... and the FBI is 1000% certain it was true, then why are they hiding the tapes, releasing them will only strengthen their arugment, unless they tapes told a different story, then thats the reason they are hiding them.

The government is hiding a lot of information, not just from 9/11. My best guess is they took them they wouldn't be sold or shown to the public. At first they probably wanted to study them so they could find out the cause of the attacks. After they got the cause they probably just didn't want to release it. There was enough horrific footage on air, they probably didn't need anymore. But it doesn't matter what video tapes were taken or released, we know what hit that building. To me, it isn't even a debate. And it is kind of sad that people poke on the internet to try to find the answer to such a question. If you really want to find out the answer talk to people who there. These people who make these conspiracy theories twist the "facts" and don't give out the whole truth. Heck, I say a conspiracy theory that didn't even have the right angle of the plane hitting the Pentagon. It's pathetic.

also one more point, what was the white line on the ground several days before the attack? and why did teh object that hit follow literally EXACTLY that line? and why was the part that was hit the most reinforced part of the pentagon, and why were all the important figureheads on the other side?

I have not heard of the "white line" on the ground days before the attack. The plane hit near a helocopter pad, maybe it had something to do with that. But I have never heard of such thing like that before, and I'm pretty into the whole 9/11 thing.

The whole pentagon was getting re-modeled before the attacks. If the government wanted to create as little damage as possible without injurying as many GOVERNMENT WORKERS as possible, they would have waited 5 days when the whole project would have been completed. They spent $1 billion on renovating the Pentagon, why would they attack it right when they are about to finish? So they can spend another billion or two to fix it?

i'll wait for riots' response, and then the rest of NLSC will rebut.

Thank you, I suppose I'll be waiting for your response as well.

[shadowgrin]

how does a paper passport get through 1000+ degrees celcius, and goes flying many blocks and lands in a fbi agents hands?

Have the suicide terrorist passports been retrieved?
I find that hard to believe.

To my knowledge, the identities of the terrorist were somewhat known through the passenger list of the flight. A little process of elimination and identification (from the FBI files) could easily reveal the terrorists' real identities.