Kobe, all but done.

by **benji** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:22 pm

Howdy folks, thought I'd drop in with some latest in the Kobe adventures (while LeBron James is looking better than I expected, the Pistons are playing lazier than I expected, and Ron Artest has fewer murders than I expected)...

First a link:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/25 ... etail.html

Second a point:
Kobe's defense team is attempting to prove the girl is mentally ill. If they do this, Kobe Bryant will go to jail for life.

by **air gordon** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:30 pm

wouldn't it be the other way around.. if the defense team prove she's mentally ill, he'll be acquitted of the charges?

by **Robby** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:40 pm

limpdilznik wrote:wouldn't it be the other way around.. if the defense team prove she's mentally ill, he'll be acquitted of the charges?

If they try to prove she's mentally ill, that doesn't mean that she wasn't assaulted. So going that route and making that the biggest point would be a somewhat ineffective route.

by **benji** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:43 pm

Actually no, you see, if they prove she's mentally ill, that means she cannot legally consent, thus, any sexual act automatically becomes CSC.

by **aloyisious** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:08 pm

RAPIST, RAPIST, RAPIST!!!

i hope they lock him up for a looooooonnnggg time!!!

by **Robby** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:16 pm

Ben wrote:Actually no, you see, if they prove she's mentally ill, that means she cannot legally consent, thus, any sexual act automatically becomes CSC.

I think that's only for mentally disabled people, not mentally ill. What Kobe's team would try to do is prove the girl's mentally ill and discredit her testimony, thereby freeing up Kobe.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:26 pm

Would that be enough to overcome the DNA evidence though?

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:32 pm

Aloy he is not a Rapist he is perfectly innocent cause i heard the Accuser ha sex with 3 other guys before kobe so one of the three dudes might have banged up her Vaginal Area and the accuser wants to blame Kobe for it but the Accuser just wants Kobe's MOney

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:35 pm

With all due respect Old School Fool, you don't know that for sure. Nothing has been proven conclusively yet. And even if Kobe's found not guilty, it doesn't necessarily mean she's a gold digger. But I don't really want to get into that debate again.

By the way, where did you hear the alleged victim had sex with three other guys before the incident with Kobe?

by **jwin** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:36 pm

i doubt it, they would have to prove that her illness is that severe, but she has a job so she is able to function in a responsible manner, it would do more good in a case where she was being accused of doing something to someone else, than in this situation. a chemical imbalance is a mental illness, but it's severity is determined by what capacity of functionality the individual has or how severely the illness affects them. for example if she was on medication to treat it and was able to go about her life normally, but stopped taking the medication and became depressed and suicidal, it is attributed more to the illness and less to her personal character. most juries would look at this as a minor issue in a case like this, but this same argument for someone accused of a crime is what they would look at when declaring insanity in some cases.

by **Robby** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:37 pm

Andrew wrote:Would that be enough to overcome the DNA evidence though?

No, which is why going after the accuser'mental health is not a great strategy.

Old School Fool wrote:Aloy he is not a Rapist he is perfectly innocent cause i heard the Accuser ha sex with 3 other guys before kobe so one of the three dudes might have banged up her Vaginal Area and the accuser wants to blame Kobe for it but the Accuser just wants Kobe's MOney

No. I think you misinterpreted what Pamela Mackey said. Do try to read it but more carefully but that was a very 13-year old post though. :wink:

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:43 pm

I AM 13

But...thats what i meant...or something? Let me just SHut the hell up. :lol:

by **Jackal** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:43 pm

Why dont people get it through their FAT skulls that the girl cannot be after his money. It isnt FABER vs BRYANT, its THE STATE OF COLORADO vs BRYANT, unless the state wins, there isnt a chance of her getting his money. :roll:

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:44 pm

Kobe in Jail?! Come on guys.....the world would end :cry:

by **benji** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:45 pm

Sigh...if she wanted money she wouldn't have gone to the police...

If they prove she is mentally ill, that does eliminate her ability to give consent legally, because for example even if she was intoxicated, the same applies and that's not being mentally disabled (retarted). Proving she's mentally ill is a losing battle if the DA is as smart as he seems and also, attacking the victim almost never plays well with the juries.

The fact is, the DA obviously has proof that Kobe raped her if she isn't mentally ill (otherwise this, especially with it's publicity level, never would have gone to court), and if she is mentally ill, Kobe raped her anyway since he already admitted he committed adultery via sex with her.

From how it looks right now, I'm about 90% sure Kobe will be found guilty. If this somehow degrades into he-said-she-said, the DA can insure victory by pointing out Kobe's patterns of deception regarding this case. Turning the defendent into a victim rarely, if ever works in rape cases, sometimes in murder it can work by talking about the hardships of the defendents life, but Kobe's life has been so good it'd be a stretch to paint him as suffering. Of course, this isn't murder, though Kobe could still get life.

by **TRUball** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:46 pm

I got some questions for one of you "wiser" posters.
-Why don't they just do a lie detector test and see if Kobe is telling the truth?

-If Kobe is found guilty but really was innocent and gets 20 years on probation, I saw a show that said after 6 months or something they do a lie detector test and make the person(in this case Kobe) confess guilty in front of the judge or else go back to jail. What if that happens but Kobe was innocent and he pleads innocent, or would he still have to say he is gulity even if he was not?

by **jwin** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:50 pm

i agree i don't see where them proving her to be mentally ill will help his case. i really don't see much that will help his case. if he's innocent i hope he is not falsely convicted, and while i do try hard to never come to judgement one way or another in situations like this, it has me leaning toward believing he's guilty.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:51 pm

Why don't they just do a lie detector test and see if Kobe is telling the truth?

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they're allowed to use that as evidence.

by **jwin** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:53 pm

that's kind of difficult to put in in these situations sometimes, and though things may have changed those tests were usually used in steps leading up to whether a person would be charged, from what the da has there was enough to charge him regardless of what the test would prove. if i'm incorrect someone let me know though.

also there are now certain drugs that supposedly will help alter a persons emotional state to give the test false readings and make it useless.

by **benji** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:12 pm

They could do a lie detector but it's not the end all be all deciding factor. I mean O.J. failed the lie detector but he still got away with murder. Plus, the lie detector isn't perfect, as jwin pointed out there are ways to get past it. And also as jwin noted, there is obviously enough without the lie detector test for the DA would've never kept this case going if there wasn't.

by **BIG GREEN** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:17 pm

imo..this isn't "NBA talk"..this is general talk as his trial cannot be considered an issue pertaining to the NBA. Let's try to keep it under the right forum next time.

by **aloyisious** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:32 pm

i disagree, it's about an nba player(at least for a little while)and is having a direct affect on the nba, so it is nba related.

by **Vins15** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:34 pm

this doesn't look good for Kobe...he might have to go to jail....too bad

and u go aloyisious 60 spamming post in one freakin day :shock:

by **aloyisious** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:37 pm

broken leg, gotta do something. sold live 2003. doesn't leave many options, this and court tv all day

by **BIG GREEN** on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:38 pm

aloyisious wrote:i disagree, it's about an nba player(at least for a little while)and is having a direct affect on the nba, so it is nba related.

... it has no direct affect on the nba. It may have a direct effect on his nba career..but not the league as a whole. That is just my opinion however...which is why i didn't move the topic.

aloyisious in another thread wrote:what are you like 13? seriously how old are you, because your mentality is that of a 13 year old.

BTW..you'll be temporarily deactiviated because of comments like that one...

NLSC POSTER RULES wrote:Insubordination. You have ignored the warnings of a moderator or admin. You will be given a sterner warning. Continued insubordination may lead to your account being temporarily deactivated or removed.

..when you're activated again i hope you're able to act like everyone else on the nlsc.

Kobe, all but done.

Kobe, all but done.

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