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Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:23 am

Here's a fun one that more people will love, and we'll take this recommendation from this random homeless guy who had to give up his house, wife and kid in his pursuit of plastic instruments.

Five in-game. (This means actual NBA games.)
Five in-contest. (This means the Dunk Contest they often hold in February.)

Or ten in both. Whatever, I don't give a fuck!

BOILERPLATE:
And here we go again, some notes again:
We're considering only 1977-78 forward.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:17 am

In-Game:
Jordan
Wade
James
Bryant
Dominique

Contest:
Carter
Kemp
Howard
Robinson
Richardosn (J-Rich)

Many others I can't think of now, more deserving than Nate :lol: .

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:21 am

Mavs4Life wrote:In-Game:
Jordan
Wade
James
Bryant
Dominique

Contest:
Carter
Kemp
Howard
Robinson
Richardosn (J-Rich)

Many others I can't think of now, more deserving than Nate :lol: .


I agree, but I hope those aren't in any order. I would have put Carter, Dominique, and Jordan in both sections.

Even after only one season, I would put Blake Griffin in the in-game section. I would also add these:

Xavier McDaniel
Charles Barkley
Julius Erving(yes he was nasty in the 80s, too)
Clyde Drexler
Larry Johnson- Grandmama?
Michael Finley before his injuries
Harold Miner - you can't forget about baby Jordan.
Amare Stoudemire

I want to say Darryl Dawkins, too, but I am not sure about that being in the 3 point era.

Fuck a contest. Brent Barry is not dunking on anybody in-game yet he wins a contest.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:51 am

IN-GAME

1. Michael Jordan

It's not a pick without bias, but I think it's a fair call. He did some pretty spectacular stuff during his career, be it in the open court, blowing by a defender or dunking on a defender. There's also this very casual, not quite at full speed near-free throw line dunk that came against the Suns.

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2. Dominique Wilkins

Right up there with MJ, with Nique favouring the more powerful dunks. It comes down to personal preference really, I'm an MJ fan and preferred his mixture of power and finesse to Nique's stronger (yet still fairly graceful) slams. Nevertheless, I could watch a Nique highlight reel any day.

3. Vince Carter

I always thought the "Air Canada" nickname was stupid and a clumsy attempt to further the Jordan comparisons, but earlier in his career he sure lived up to the "Half-Man, Half-Amazing" moniker. I wouldn't begrudge anyone for ranking him first and to this day he'll still break out something cool once in a while but he did settle down a bit after his early years in the league. He still has some amazing highlight compilations though.

4. Shawn Kemp

Didn't matter whether he was going coast-to-coast by himself, thundering down the lane into Chris Gatling or Alton Lister, receiving an alley-oop from Gary Payton or making a move in the past. Kemp finished with some truly awesome dunks in his younger days with the Supersonics.

5. Shaquille O'Neal

Destroyed backboards and left others shaking for an entire play. The odd 360 in an All-Star game aside, Shaq's dunks didn't have a great deal of creative flair but that's just fine, they more than made up for it with raw power.

6. Blake Griffin

I too would already have to rank him here on the list. Not quite as powerful as Shaq, but at times more creativity. He's going to be an entertaining player to watch.

7. Clyde Drexler

He's somewhere between MJ and Nique in his style; The Glide had finesse like Jordan and the distance in his jumps, but often had a bit of power behind them like Wilkins. He probably also would've won a dunk contest if they hadn't been around at the same time.

8. Kobe Bryant

Has come out with some creative and spectacular stuff over the years and like Vince Carter, will still break out something special on occasion.

9. LeBron James

He does get creative at times but tends to favour that big tomahawk. Still, it looks awesome every time he does it.

10. Dwyane Wade

Like Kobe and LeBron, will break out some entertaining stuff.

Special mention: Julius Erving

For anyone who grew up with the NBA tapes of the 80s and 90s, you're no doubt familiar with the quote from Billy Cunningham about it not mattering what the score was, the crowd went home happy if they got to see Dr J dunk and do something amazing. The same could probably be said about most of the players on the list but he did throw down some impressive dunks in his time, though admittedly players that have come after him have taken them to a higher level and some of his best stuff is before the cutoff for the list, hence the special mention rather than a place in the top ten. But it's close.

DUNK CONTEST

1. Michael Jordan

I know, I know. It's another biased pick. Still, he had some awesome dunks in the contest over the years that displayed creativity and incredible leaping ability. While other players have done the free throw line dunk (and I believe Serge Ibaka has made the longest leap in an NBA contest as of last year), no one's really done it with the style that MJ did. It's also worth noting that he did that dunk a few times in the contest; while the dunk in the final round of the 1988 contest is the one that's often shown, his attempt in the second round in 1988, second round in 1987 and the one he performed in the 1985 contest (can't remember the round offhand) were from further back.

2. Vince Carter

Even with my MJ bias, I was very tempted to put Carter at the number one spot. His performance in 2000 was one of the most impressive across the board and just blew away the competition. However, he chickened out of defending his championship and at this point, he's not going to get back in the contest. Don't get me wrong, he has every right to choose not to compete, but this is a subjective list and I'm taking points off for not stepping up to try and defend his crown.

3. Dominique Wilkins

You could make a drinking game out of how many times Nique threw down a windmill in the dunk contest. Of course, while you could take some points off for originality, he'd win them back for style and power. While he's usually portrayed as being screwed over in the '88 contest, I thought some of the scores he received were a little too generous and he should've known better than to try the two-handed windmill in the final round; it had already failed him in the '86 contest against Spud Webb. Still, can't rank The Human Highlight Film lower than third on a list like this.

4. Julius Erving

Didn't win a contest during the three point era (well, the ABA did have a three point line :shifty:) but was still competing and throwing down dunks from the free throw line in his 30s. Arguably should've won the 1984 contest rather than Larry Nance, though it's been a while since I watched the tape of that contest so I may be underrating Nance slightly there.

5. Shawn Kemp

When the chips were down, someone else did something that clinched the contest so it's kind of a high ranking for someone who never finished higher than second. Still, when it came down to it, he was this close to winning a couple of times...1990 and 1991 probably showcased his best.

6. Jason Richardson

Won back-to-back dunk titles at a time when the contest was going through a rough period and they were trying some contrived ideas like The Wheel. Nevertheless, his performance in both contests was strong, though my favourite dunk of his actually came in a losing effort in the 2004 contest: the between-the-legs, off-the-backboard dunk.

7. Terence Stansbury

Deserves some recognition because just about all he did in the NBA was compete in a few dunk contests. That said he made a good show of it, though for all the complaints of hometown judging in MJ's favour in the '88 contest, Stansbury received some very generous scores in the '87 contest which was in Seattle (and at least Michael Jordan was, you know, Michael Jordan). He did have a few dunks that were, at the very least, pretty good for their day.

8. Spud Webb

It's no small feat to best Dominique Wilkins in a dunk contest. Looking back, his size might've got him a bit of sympathy vote and that kind of preferential treatment is pretty unfair to taller players who are still doing spectacular things in their own right. Still, he ultimately used his lack of height to his advantage very effectively and the dunks he threw down were impressive for a player his size. He paved the way for smaller winners like Dee Brown and Nate Robinson as well as competitors like Robert Pack, establishing the idea that every contest could benefit from having at least one smaller player with incredible hops.

9. Dwight Howard

I still think the sticker dunk is grossly overrated and received the score it should have, basically being a regular dunk with a backboard tap by a player who's 6'11". Likewise, I'm still iffy on the Superman dunk, it looks great but still strikes me as the world's most powerful layup. The Superman stuff also got way too gimmicky with the phone booth and 12 foot rim (he also messed up by showing how easily he could grab it before the attempt). The double alley-oop with the tap off the backboard on the other hand? The windmill from behind the backboard? That was stuff we hadn't seen before or stuff taken to a new level, which I prefer to the overuse of props and gimmicks. Pure creativity with the ball.

10. Blake Griffin

I'm sure not everyone will agree here, feeling he didn't deserve to win the 2011 contest. I understand the argument but still thought his performance was strong, even if a couple of his best ideas were not successful attempts. And sure, he didn't jump over the roof of the car, but the dunk was still pretty cool in my book. What puts him at number ten for me though is the honey dip off the backboard. That was insane and I don't think he got enough credit for it.

Special mentions: Isaiah Rider, Harold Miner, Kenny Walker, Jamie Watson, JaVale McGee

Rider's between-the-legs dunks brought the idea into vogue in the NBA contest and he had a couple of other impressive dunks in 1994. He completely choked in 1995 though. Miner's contests were fairly solid, with 1993 rating a little better than 1995 (which suffered in terms of format and the field of competitors). Speaking of the 1995 contest, Jamie Watson had some nice ones, including a 360 windmill long before Vince Carter did it, though Carter's was a little better. And before Watson did it, Kenny Walker did somewhat of a 360 windmill in the '89 contest. Finally, McGee had a strong performance last year but some of his best came after a lot of attempts and I thought Griffin's aforementioned honey dip off the board was the dunk of the night.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:28 pm

Oh yeah. MJ all the way for me too. It's his little movement that made him special

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:10 pm

Previous posts fail for no mention of Desmond Mason.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:02 pm

Forgot all about Mason. I wouldn't put him in my top ten but I'd include him with the other special mentions.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:03 pm

Agreed, and Pdub they're in no order. I also forgot Blake Griffin entirely (N)

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:41 am

1. Vince. MJ? Come on, it ain't the best player list, he can be 2nd here (or 3rd XD). It's really no question what so ever :D
2. Dominique -Personal preference, POWER DUNKS FTW
3. MJ
4. J Rich - the most underrated dunker ever. I can actually think of him as being No.1 in contest dunks, Vince was amazing, but J Rich was just doing all that stuff twice the difficulty!
5. Kobe for his in-game posters and creative dunks. Not really biased here XD
6. Desmond Mason
7. Blake Griffin - 1 season in, i already think he can be in top 3 when it's said and done.
8. Julius Erving - Pioneer? Hell yeah. But he shouldn't be ahead of other candidates based on that
9. Dwight the Flight! (Really, why it never caught up?)
10.Shawn Kemp - he got the POWA

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:43 am

Wait, where the hell do i put LeBron? ahhh, i hate forgetting the important things :facepalm2:

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:31 pm

Considering it's a subjective list, any number of players could top the list based on personal preference. If someone found Shaq's dunks to be the most entertaining, they could certainly rank him ahead of players like MJ, Nique and Carter.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:35 pm

Kamilli LakeShow Bryant wrote:5. Kobe for his in-game posters and creative dunks. Not really biased here XD

8. Julius Erving - Pioneer? Hell yeah. But he shouldn't be ahead of other candidates based on that

In-game, Erving could pretty much dunk on defenders if he wanted to. I remember watching 1 on 3 fast break with him against Portland, two of the defenders were already waiting in the paint and the other one was running beside Dr. J. He threw a one-handed dunk with three defenders covering him. The dunk wasn't flashy or powerful because he made it look easy and with three defenders near him. The only players (non-bigs) that flashed in my mind that were crazy enough to dunk over with three defenders covering them was Jordan and LeBron and maybe Orlando T-Mac. And that was NBA Dr. J and not the more dunk heavy ABA Dr. J.

As for creativity, he was a pioneer so he was pretty much among the best creative dunkers during his time.

9. Dwight the Flight! (Really, why it never caught up?)

James White was still in the league then.
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Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:39 pm

Additionally, D12 is quicker to say and Superman is a more marketable nickname.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:58 pm

How about Darell Arsmstrong's dunk contest performance? I thought one of his lay dunk was one of the best in the history of mankind if not the best.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:54 pm

Andrew wrote:Additionally, D12 is quicker to say and Superman is a more marketable nickname.

I love D12 but not everybody gets why D12 is a great nickname XD Superman was Shaq's, that's why i'd rather see him do his own. But i guess he got it for life now

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:01 pm

In-game, Erving could pretty much dunk on defenders if he wanted to. I remember watching 1 on 3 fast break with him against Portland, two of the defenders were already waiting in the paint and the other one was running beside Dr. J. He threw a one-handed dunk with three defenders covering him. The dunk wasn't flashy or powerful because he made it look easy and with three defenders near him. The only players (non-bigs) that flashed in my mind that were crazy enough to dunk over with three defenders covering them was Jordan and LeBron and maybe Orlando T-Mac. And that was NBA Dr. J and not the more dunk heavy ABA Dr. J.

As for creativity, he was a pioneer so he was pretty much among the best creative dunkers during his time.



Oh yeah, i saw Dr. J tapes, and he definitely could get up and dunk with the best of them. But all the players above him on my list COULD dunk on 3 people. I mean, Dominique was dunking on everyone, Kobe's dunk vs Ben Wallace and Co and many others, MJ, LeBron. Maybe with exception of J Rich and Mason who were more contest kind of dunkers, but their contest dunks murder Dr. J's for me XD Still, being No. 8 is where i think Dr. J should be approximately, because there were so many great dunkers that came after him that followed his footsteps, and it really evolutionized to the point where we see TFB 5'11 dunkers dunking with more difficulty than NBA stars, you know what i mean? :D

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:02 pm

NovU wrote:How about Darell Arsmstrong's dunk contest performance? I thought one of his lay dunk was one of the best in the history of mankind if not the best.

Reverse lay-up in a dunk contest - best dunk ever

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:30 pm

Kamilli LakeShow Bryant wrote:Oh yeah, i saw Dr. J tapes, and he definitely could get up and dunk with the best of them. But all the players above him on my list COULD dunk on 3 people. I mean, Dominique was dunking on everyone, Kobe's dunk vs Ben Wallace and Co and many others, MJ, LeBron. Maybe with exception of J Rich and Mason who were more contest kind of dunkers, but their contest dunks murder Dr. J's for me XD Still, being No. 8 is where i think Dr. J should be approximately, because there were so many great dunkers that came after him that followed his footsteps, and it really evolutionized to the point where we see TFB 5'11 dunkers dunking with more difficulty than NBA stars, you know what i mean? :D

Dr. J at least deserves to be on the top 5 of your list (based on my own standards, just to be clear) considering the players you listed there. No question about 1-3, but 4 and 5 and even 6 being better than Dr. J (at least in-game)?
Besides, we all know Kobe would rather shoot over 3 defenders than dunk over them.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:21 am

shadowgrin wrote:
Kamilli LakeShow Bryant wrote:Oh yeah, i saw Dr. J tapes, and he definitely could get up and dunk with the best of them. But all the players above him on my list COULD dunk on 3 people. I mean, Dominique was dunking on everyone, Kobe's dunk vs Ben Wallace and Co and many others, MJ, LeBron. Maybe with exception of J Rich and Mason who were more contest kind of dunkers, but their contest dunks murder Dr. J's for me XD Still, being No. 8 is where i think Dr. J should be approximately, because there were so many great dunkers that came after him that followed his footsteps, and it really evolutionized to the point where we see TFB 5'11 dunkers dunking with more difficulty than NBA stars, you know what i mean? :D

Dr. J at least deserves to be on the top 5 of your list (based on my own standards, just to be clear) considering the players you listed there. No question about 1-3, but 4 and 5 and even 6 being better than Dr. J (at least in-game)?
Besides, we all know Kobe would rather shoot over 3 defenders than dunk over them.


Yeah, i see you. haha, that joke about Kobe is on point for post-MVP season Kobe. He pisses me off sometimes when he doesn't wanna take it inside in game at ALL. The only memorable dunks from last season were against Hornets. Also, his best games last season, and maybe that's the reason - haters pissed him sayin he faked his ankle injury, so he decided to kick ASS the old fashioned way. Kobe from 1998 - 2009 really had some of the most amazing in-game dunks ever. Ben Wallace, Yao, Dwight - all fell victims. I'd keep him above Julius, and if we talk about in game, i'd put him in there instead of J Rich, who nowadays REALLY likes to shoot too damn much

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:39 am

In Game:
1. LeBron James
2. Shannon Brown
3. Blake Griffin
4. Michael Jordan
5. Shaquille Johnson(High School)

Dunk Contest:
1. Jr Smith
2. Nate Robinson
3. Dwight Howard
4. James White(Everything's a free-throw line dunk with him!)
5. Dominique Wilkins(His pump dunks are my FAVORITE!)

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:13 am

Ah, Shannon Brown's someone that slipped my mind. Awesome in-game dunks, but his appearance in the dunk contest was a letdown.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:09 am

Andrew wrote:Ah, Shannon Brown's someone that slipped my mind. Awesome in-game dunks, but his appearance in the dunk contest was a letdown.

He made me ashamed, every day on Facebook i was uploading a new video Shannon dunking, pumping him up with "Let Shannon Dunk" campaign and he does THAT... i mean, WTH?!

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:00 am

I think he let a lot of people down. Looking back, his dunks in the contest weren't that bad, but I expected so much more. That was a lousy contest all around that year.

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:37 pm

Andrew wrote:I think he let a lot of people down. Looking back, his dunks in the contest weren't that bad, but I expected so much more. That was a lousy contest all around that year.

Oh hell yeah... worst dunk contest of all-time, wasn't it, honestly speaking?

Re: Greatest Of The Three Point Era: Dunkers

Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Certainly one of the worst, if not the worst. 2011 was miles ahead of it, even if you didn't agree with Griffin being the winner we at least got to see some better stuff in both rounds of the contest.
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