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Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby at.the.buzzer!! on Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:47 pm

First of all, to those who hated me on my last thread, look, I'm on your side now. :D
So, here we go:

10.No Career Breaks
Michael Jordan, for some reason I'll never know, briefly stepped away from the game to pursue a professional baseball career. He also retired in 1998, not because his Chicago Bulls had just won their sixth NBA Championship, but because he knew his team was falling apart. Dennis Rodman was on his way out, and so was Scottie Pippen. Kobe Bryant, on the other hand, has stuck with the Lakers throughout his entire career and will finish it where he started it.
Bryant has been on his grind in Los Angeles since 1996 and is still going strong 15 consecutive seasons later.

9.Free Throws and Three-Pointers
Alright, so I may be pulling at a minuscule thread here, but Kobe Bryant is slightly better than Michael Jordan in both categories. Jordan has 83.5% from the line for his career, just behind Kobe's 83.8%. Bryant also has the slight edge in three-point shooting, at 34.1% to Jordan's 32.7%. A huge difference? Obviously not. But when two guys are so close in terms of talent and accomplishments, you'll take any advantage you can find to support your claims.

8.Derek Fisher Is No Scottie Pippen
During his time with the Lakers, Kobe Bryant has had several players come and go. But the one guy who has been there (aside from a few years) for the long haul is Derek Fisher. And with all due respect to Fisher, he's no Scottie Pippen.

Fisher's career averages: 9 points, 3.2 assists, 2.2 rebounds and 1.1 steals per game.

Pippen's career averages: 16.1 points, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, and 2 steals per game, including four seasons in Chicago in which he averaged more than 20 points.

Pippen is one of the greatest sidekicks in NBA history. Fisher? Good, but not Pippen-good.

7.More Key Personnel Changes
Every NBA superstar has to deal with personnel changes around them. It's just something that's apart of the game. And even though both Jordan and Bryant have seen their fair share of teammates, Bryant has seen more personnel changes than Jordan ever did. Bryant's played with so many different players, from Smush Parker to Kwame Brown to Shaquille O'Neal to Gary Payton and Karl Malone to Ron Artest to Adam Morrison. But Bryant has managed to win despite fighting through some key inconsistencies in his supporting cast.

6.Tougher Overall Competition
If you're from Michael Jordan's era, you probably think Jordan played tougher competition. If you're from Kobe Bryant's era, you probably think Bryant played tougher competition. This is a debate that could only be solved with the invention of a time machine, so any argument is always going to be debated or bombarded with criticism. But Bryant had to deal with the San Antonio Spurs—a mini-dynasty themselves—as well as teams like the Detroit Pistons. I'll give Bryant the edge here even though it's hard to definitively argue against Jordan.

5.MVP Awards Are Misleading
Michael Jordan has five career regular season MVP awards while Kobe Bryant has just one. Does that really mean that Bryant was only the best player in the league for one full season? No, of course it doesn't. The MVP award is overrated and misleading, unless you really think the careers of Dirk Nowitzki and Allen Iverson have been as good as Bryant's.

4.Kobe Is The Bigger Star, Not Shaq
The age-old argument against Kobe Bryant used to be that "he only won three titles because of Shaq." Well, fast forward to 2010, and Bryant has more titles (five) than Shaq (four) and was the star of those two teams while Shaq played second fiddle to Dwyane Wade. I'm not saying Bryant would have won all three titles without Shaq, but it's certainly not the only reason that he did. Bryant averaged at least 25 points, five assists and five rebounds every season during the Lakers three-peat from 2000-02.

3.Playing Through Injuries
I know what you're thinking: Michael Jordan doesn't play through injuries? What? Well, after the 1986 season when he broke his foot and missed 64 games, Jordan never really suffered through debilitating injuries like Kobe Bryant has. Of course, he dominated throughout his career despite smaller injuries, and there was the famous "flu game" in the 1997 NBA Finals. But let's look at the bigger picture. Bryant has had three knee surgeries—including one this summer—and he played through pinkie and index finger injuries that required Bryant to shoot with a heavily bandaged hand. Bryant has a slight advantage in this category.

2.Kobe Is Arguably the Greatest Laker Ever
In recent years, this debate generally comes down to Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Who's the best Laker ever? Well, even if you think that Magic is better, the fact that Bryant is even part of the conversation is a testament to all of his accomplishments. The Lakers are the greatest organization (sorry, Celtics) in the history of the sport, and Bryant is arguably the greatest player ever to wear the purple and gold. That's saying something.

1.Neither Player Is a One-Man Show, But Jordan's Supporting Cast Was Better
Alright, they've both played alongside some very good and even great players. Kobe Bryant has had guys like Shaq, Pau Gasol, Fisher, Lamar Odom, etc. But Jordan played with three All-Stars (Pippen, Rodman and Horace Grant), two of the NBA's best defenders (Rodman and Pippen), one of the league's 50 greatest players of all-time (Pippen) and two good three-point shooters (Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr). Jordan actually had more help than Bryant.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby dare on Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:04 pm

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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:38 pm

I'll bite.

10.No Career Breaks
Michael Jordan, for some reason I'll never know, briefly stepped away from the game to pursue a professional baseball career. He also retired in 1998, not because his Chicago Bulls had just won their sixth NBA Championship, but because he knew his team was falling apart. Dennis Rodman was on his way out, and so was Scottie Pippen. Kobe Bryant, on the other hand, has stuck with the Lakers throughout his entire career and will finish it where he started it.
Bryant has been on his grind in Los Angeles since 1996 and is still going strong 15 consecutive seasons later
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True his team was falling apart but not because of players leaving but because the coach, Phil Jackson, was no way going to be hired by the GM again. Jordan has stated that he'll only be back if Phil was back. That and because there was a lockout. How old are you anyway?
Kobe sticking it with the Lakers? You seem to forget his trade demands when they were losing? He did try to stick it to the Lakers alright.

9.Free Throws and Three-Pointers
Alright, so I may be pulling at a minuscule thread here, but Kobe Bryant is slightly better than Michael Jordan in both categories. Jordan has 83.5% from the line for his career, just behind Kobe's 83.8%. Bryant also has the slight edge in three-point shooting, at 34.1% to Jordan's 32.7%. A huge difference? Obviously not. But when two guys are so close in terms of talent and accomplishments, you'll take any advantage you can find to support your claims.
Which is idiotic. You don't take any advantage to support your claims. You take info that are based on facts or logic to support your claim.

8.Derek Fisher Is No Scottie Pippen
During his time with the Lakers, Kobe Bryant has had several players come and go. But the one guy who has been there (aside from a few years) for the long haul is Derek Fisher. And with all due respect to Fisher, he's no Scottie Pippen.
Shaq and Pau Gasol are no Scottie Pippen either.

7.More Key Personnel Changes
Every NBA superstar has to deal with personnel changes around them. It's just something that's apart of the game. And even though both Jordan and Bryant have seen their fair share of teammates, Bryant has seen more personnel changes than Jordan ever did. Bryant's played with so many different players, from Smush Parker to Kwame Brown to Shaquille O'Neal to Gary Payton and Karl Malone to Ron Artest to Adam Morrison. But Bryant has managed to win despite fighting through some key inconsistencies in his supporting cast.
How old are you again?
Did Kobe manage to win with Smush Parker? Kwame Brown? Shaq/Payton/Malone? Kobe won when he got a key player (Gasol) and constant players that fill a specific role. Same with Jordan.

6.Tougher Overall Competition
If you're from Michael Jordan's era, you probably think Jordan played tougher competition. If you're from Kobe Bryant's era, you probably think Bryant played tougher competition. This is a debate that could only be solved with the invention of a time machine, so any argument is always going to be debated or bombarded with criticism. But Bryant had to deal with the San Antonio Spurs—a mini-dynasty themselves—as well as teams like the Detroit Pistons. I'll give Bryant the edge here even though it's hard to definitively argue against Jordan.
The last decade Spurs are a mini-dynasty? You must be out of your damn mind.
New York Knicks/Miami Heat/Indiana Pacers/Orlando Magic/Atlanta Hawks; Detroit Pistons/Boston Celtics/Philadelphia 76ers/Cleveland Cavaliers. That's just the East for Jordan.
Those are just the teams. We haven't even started with the rule changes.

5.MVP Awards Are Misleading
Michael Jordan has five career regular season MVP awards while Kobe Bryant has just one. Does that really mean that Bryant was only the best player in the league for one full season? No, of course it doesn't. The MVP award is overrated and misleading, unless you really think the careers of Dirk Nowitzki and Allen Iverson have been as good as Bryant's.
True, but Jordan's statistical performance does back up his MVP nods.

4.Kobe Is The Bigger Star, Not Shaq
The age-old argument against Kobe Bryant used to be that "he only won three titles because of Shaq." Well, fast forward to 2010, and Bryant has more titles (five) than Shaq (four) and was the star of those two teams while Shaq played second fiddle to Dwyane Wade. I'm not saying Bryant would have won all three titles without Shaq, but it's certainly not the only reason that he did. Bryant averaged at least 25 points, five assists and five rebounds every season during the Lakers three-peat from 2000-02.
Yeah, Shaq only averaged like what, 35-40 ppg during the Finals of their three-peat? Not to mention his rebounding numbers.
Learn math. Based on your logic Shaq is responsible for 3 rings while Kobe only has 2. Learn logic too.

3.Playing Through Injuries
I know what you're thinking: Michael Jordan doesn't play through injuries? What? Well, after the 1986 season when he broke his foot and missed 64 games, Jordan never really suffered through debilitating injuries like Kobe Bryant has. Of course, he dominated throughout his career despite smaller injuries, and there was the famous "flu game" in the 1997 NBA Finals. But let's look at the bigger picture. Bryant has had three knee surgeries—including one this summer—and he played through pinkie and index finger injuries that required Bryant to shoot with a heavily bandaged hand. Bryant has a slight advantage in this category.
You don't dismiss Jordan just because he knows how to take care of his body (hi Tim Grover!).
We haven't even started with the rule changes.

2.Kobe Is Arguably the Greatest Laker Ever
In recent years, this debate generally comes down to Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Who's the best Laker ever? Well, even if you think that Magic is better, the fact that Bryant is even part of the conversation is a testament to all of his accomplishments. The Lakers are the greatest organization (sorry, Celtics) in the history of the sport, and Bryant is arguably the greatest player ever to wear the purple and gold. That's saying something.
I trust Jerry West's opinion on this more than you.

1.Neither Player Is a One-Man Show, But Jordan's Supporting Cast Was Better
Alright, they've both played alongside some very good and even great players. Kobe Bryant has had guys like Shaq, Pau Gasol, Fisher, Lamar Odom, etc. But Jordan played with three All-Stars (Pippen, Rodman and Horace Grant), two of the NBA's best defenders (Rodman and Pippen), one of the league's 50 greatest players of all-time (Pippen) and two good three-point shooters (Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr). Jordan actually had more help than Bryant.
Jordan never had a dominating big man like Kobe did in Gasol or Shaq.
Kobe also played with three All-Stars - Gasol, Artest, and Shaq.
Shaq also happens to be one of the league's 50 greatest players. While Gasol is one of the best bigman in the game today.


at.the.buzzer!! wrote:First of all, to those who hated me on my last thread, look, I'm on your side now.
We're on no players side. We only hate idiots and you happen to be one. Your arguments have more holes than a swiss cheese.

It's idiots like you that give the rational Kobe fans a bad rap.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Valor on Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:47 pm

shadowGrinch wrote:It's idiots like you that give the rational Kobe fans a bad rap.

This line said it all. Thank you shadowGrinch (Y)

and I won't even bother compiling my own rebuttal against him this time, the mere suggestion that anybody is better than MJ is laughable
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:56 pm

Valor wrote:the mere suggestion that anybody is better than MJ is laughable

Wilt Chamberlain?
Len Bias?
LeBron James? (there, I said it)
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:22 pm

You should really stop stealing articles. From Bleacher Report none the less.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5099 ... ael-jordan

Worse is you're even passing off other's opinions as your own word for damn word, which really makes you an idiot.

I won't bother with the plagiarism charge, I'm not annoyed by it to the extent Shane Hefty does.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Valor on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:31 pm

shadowGrinch wrote:
Valor wrote:the mere suggestion that anybody is better than MJ is laughable

Wilt Chamberlain?
Len Bias?
LeBron James? (there, I said it)

Nope
Nope

Hell no
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Rip32 on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:39 pm

Yeah, obviously forum arguments don't warrant plagiarism...

Seeing as this is the second time you've been called out on this (Bleacher Report? Believe me, you can do better than that.) you just need to sit down, turn on NBATV, and watch it for the next four months. I'm thinking you'll get enough Greatest Games and other historical shows during that span to where you'll be able to sit down and type your own ideas out.

I've had an article or two plagiarized. If I found out someone as ignorant as you were passing my work off as your own ideas... I don't think I'd be mad, probably more embarrassed.

And, Jordan > Kobe
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:50 pm

Rip32 wrote:And, Jordan > Kobe
If this were olden times, I would have removed my glove, slapped you with it, and challenged you to a duel.



Nothing wrong with writing out long articles to express your opinion about basketball. As long as the intention is to express your opinion about it and not for the sake of pleasing other people just to be liked, like this moron.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Lamrock on Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:19 pm

Oden when healthy is the GOAT. I don't even just say this because I'm drunk. It's true!
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby J@3 on Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:32 pm

Bleacher Report is fucking gay
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Fresh8 on Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:41 pm

Come on, Kobe is 33 and Jordan is like 56. Obviously Kobe is better :roll:
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Stress Fracture on Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:52 pm

Sit wrote:Come on, Kobe is 33 and Jordan is like 56. Obviously Kobe is better :roll:


Sarcasm? :lol:
benji wrote:LeBron is such a choker. And people were talking about him as an all-time great. As having possibly surpassed Kobe. What a joke.

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Andrew wrote:He who flops and flails to the Finals and a title, flops and flails best.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Fresh8 on Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:14 am

Waferstick wrote:
Sit wrote:Come on, Kobe is 33 and Jordan is like 56. Obviously Kobe is better :roll:


Sarcasm? :lol:


Kobe Bryant would have wrote:Are you kidding me? Is that a joke? I don't joke.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby formx on Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:48 am

at.the.buzzer!! wrote:10.No Career Breaks
Michael Jordan, for some reason I'll never know, briefly stepped away from the game to pursue a professional baseball career. He also retired in 1998, not because his Chicago Bulls had just won their sixth NBA Championship, but because he knew his team was falling apart. Dennis Rodman was on his way out, and so was Scottie Pippen. Kobe Bryant, on the other hand, has stuck with the Lakers throughout his entire career and will finish it where he started it.
Bryant has been on his grind in Los Angeles since 1996 and is still going strong 15 consecutive seasons later.

The only reason Jordan had a career break is that after the death of his father he didn't want to play anymore and wanted to play his father's dream of baseball.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Jackal on Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:53 am

Kevin Martin is better than both those guys.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Axel The Great on Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:39 am

Kevin Martin > Kevin Martin's jumpshot > Michael Jordan > Kobe Bryant
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby formx on Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:43 am

Axel. wrote:Kevin Martin > Kevin Martin's jumpshot > Michael Jordan > Kobe Bryant

Joel Anthony is better than all those guys.
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Axel The Great on Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:45 am

I knew you were a great person formyhunny. (Y)
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby formx on Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:47 am

Axel. wrote:I knew you were a great person formyhunny. (Y)

Thank you sir. :D
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby George7 on Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:35 am

So,concerning your other thread:
Lebron James is better than Kobe,Kobe is better than Jordan,so LeBron is better than Michael Jordan!!!!!

You're a copy-paster(unless you're the one writing those articles),and also on your second thread,you cancel your first thread,or overrate LeQueen so much!
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Fresh8 on Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:05 am

G, he's gone. Who you talking to? :lol:
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby jonthefon on Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:31 pm

Look at the monster you've created benji
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby George7 on Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:02 pm

Sit wrote:G, he's gone. Who you talking to? :lol:


Just wanted to post it sit!
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Re: Reasons why Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan

Postby Houndy on Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:24 pm

All I gotta say is whoever wrote that article is a dumbfuck
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