Trade - MIL: Corey Maggette, GSW: Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuric

[benji]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5316714

Seeking a scoring threat and willing to take on a significant contract, the Milwaukee Bucks acquired forward Corey Maggette in a trade with the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday.

The Bucks also got a second-round draft pick from the Warriors, giving up guard Charlie Bell and center Dan Gadzuric in return.
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Salmons is going to opt out of his contract with the Bucks, Bucks general manager John Hammond told ESPN.com's Chad Ford.

Pretty solid trade.

[rise]

Pretty solid trade.

For Milwaukee.

[Alpha_]

good trade for Milwaukee..

[NovU]

Taking on his contract sounds like a bit of gamble to me though I like it for the Bucks at the moment. However, I don't think it'll help that much as it seems like a desperate move to get to that next level.

[benji]

For Milwaukee.

For both teams.

[Sauru]

worthless trade benji. there was not point for either team to make this deal. in the end they are still losers until they get kobe

[Andrew]

The Bucks sure are stocking up on swingmen. I'm guessing they'll look to move Redd, whose $18 million contract expires at the end of the season. Good deal financially for the Warriors as Gadzuric's contract expires after next season and Bell's only runs through 2012.

[Rip32]

The Bucks sure are stocking up on swingmen. I'm guessing they'll look to move Redd, whose $18 million contract expires at the end of the season.

See, my first thought when I saw this was that they were planning on giving Redd another shot at being a starter. This trade really rules out the return of Salmons and with Bell gone, they go into the draft with Delfino as their only true shooting guard. Ridnour plays a lot of SG, but unless they plan on bringing back Stackhouse they'll probably go with a guy from the two guard trio of Xavier Henry, Avery Bradley, and James Anderson.

[Lamrock]

Decent team deals expirings to a horrible team for a borderline all-star. He's aging, but should they lose John Salmons, they'll still be fine.

[Andrew]

See, my first thought when I saw this was that they were planning on giving Redd another shot at being a starter. This trade really rules out the return of Salmons and with Bell gone, they go into the draft with Delfino as their only true shooting guard. Ridnour plays a lot of SG, but unless they plan on bringing back Stackhouse they'll probably go with a guy from the two guard trio of Xavier Henry, Avery Bradley, and James Anderson.

I forgot Salmons can opt out this offseason. You could be right but it looks like they're moving forward and it's Bogut and Jennings' team now, with Redd's injuries making him something of an afterthought.

[benji]

As noted in the story Salmons has all but opted out, and apparently wants more than the Bucks want to pay him, there were rumblings that this was part of why the Bulls were willing to part with him.

Redd has to prove he's still a 20ppg scorer, or he's a major expiring contract. Win-win for the Bucks really.

Getting rid of Bell helps the team since Skiles won't be able to play him anymore.

[J@3]

There's no way Redd will start at any point. His injury is borderline career ending as it is, and he won't be back for months. I'd be surprised if Salmons didn't re-sign, last I heard he wanted a 4 year deal though.

[Lamrock]

Redd was a turrible player the few games he managed to play before tearing his ACL. If he hadn't played at all this season, Milwaukee would have probably won 50 games.

[Murat]

Hehe. Poor Warriors. Charlie Bell reports: Hi guys, I hate there because GS have Curry, Raja Bell, Ellis, Azubuike,
Morrow, R. Williams... isnt it much? Just it is for me... See you again...

[benji]

I don't know about 50. We shouldn't forget the team was 24-28 before they got Salmons, and went 22-8 the rest of the way despite Bogut's injury.

The problem was when he came back they didn't have him be a spot-up shooter for 15 minutes a game until he was good to go, instead they went right back to letting him jack up shots like he hadn't been hobbled.

It's not like he was clearly worse than Bell or Stackhouse either.

I'd be surprised if Salmons didn't re-sign, last I heard he wanted a 4 year deal though.

And it's easy to forget he's already past 30.

[Martti.]

Not sure about the Bucks, they did the same with Richard Jefferson. I hope this works out better for them.

[MassimoV]

good trade for the Bucks.It seems like it is no more REDd in Milwaukee.

[benji]

Basically, all they did was bet $5-6 million that Maggette will help them out more than they got from that horrid rotation last season. Which can only really be looked at as an upgrade even if he doesn't playing as amazing as he did last year. (Which he won't under Skiles probably.) This doesn't change their cap situation beyond that, nor does it signal anything further about Redd, he was gone except for one situation.

I think Maggette will keep his value fairly well, so they can build around him, Bogut and Jennings. They're going to go have to go the Pistons route though. Which almost got them to the Finals in 2001, so it's not like they haven't managed it before. (We won't even talk about the 1980s.)

[Lamrock]

Not at all a surprise that Hammond's taking the Detroit route. I've liked all of Hammond's post-2008 moves, but it is pretty risky to build around an injury prone big, an aging (somewhat injury prone) athletic swingman and a point guard who is prone to going on "jags" where he shoots 2/9 every game.

[benji]

Jennings is young enough that I'm not going to count him out yet, and the fact is they they have all three of them under contract and THAT'S IT after this season. That's why I like it and don't consider it a risk.

I think people around here are getting the wrong impression of me, I really only have two outlooks:
1. You're contending? Add talent or go to 2.
2. You aren't? Clear space and add picks.

It's only a risk if the Bucks splurge on the rest of their team and if they do, they deserve what they get. Otherwise it's an interesting attempt in a weak East to try and entice such a "get better players" move in the future.

Flipping Bell for Maggette should move the team up a couple wins, if Redd comes back healthy at the end of the year, so much the better. The East is basically in shambles lest we forget.

[J@3]

Ben pretty much hit the nail on the head, 5-6 million for a guy who can give you some production as opposed to saving 5-6 million to keep 2 guys who give you nothing. I'm hoping the Bucks are in talent-stockpiling mode. For a while it looked like they were trying to hang onto cap space for 2011 for some ungodly reason but the team was a freak injury away from a 2nd round play-off berth with a rookie PG who can't shoot and a 80 year old acting as the sixth man. They also have like 4 draft picks now. Would be interesting if they could swing a move for someone like Al Jefferson or David West without losing anyone too significant.

[Andrew]

an injury prone big

I wouldn't call Bogut injury prone. He's played in 80% of the Bucks' regular season games since he entered the league and had one year with a major injury which resulted in him missing more than half the season (excluding that year, he's played 90% of the time) and basically suffered a freak injury last season.

[J@3]

Yeah someone at RealGM did some research and found that most C's miss a bunch of games every season. Seems they all have injury issues of some point, just a matter of how serious and how high the chance of repeating them are.

[Lamrock]

Jennings is young enough that I'm not going to count him out yet, and the fact is they they have all three of them under contract and THAT'S IT after this season. That's why I like it and don't consider it a risk.

Yeah, I definitely think Jennings will improve. He was awesome before he hit the rookie wall and is talented (plus he can actually defend!). I didn't realize they had so many 2011 expirings, but I think LRMaM and Ilyasova are extended then, if not this summer.

I think people around here are getting the wrong impression of me, I really only have two outlooks:
1. You're contending? Add talent or go to 2.
2. You aren't? Clear space and add picks.

You have a 1-in-30 chance of winning a championship. As someone who primarily supports a perennial "almost" team, I'd rather see them trying to improve on a decent, but not contending roster than wasting years of fans' time just so you can win 17 games and reboot the rebuild (*cough* Minnesota *cough). The Lakers weren't quite contenders in 07-08, so rather than trading Kobe for picks and expirings (and commencing the Andrew Bynum era), they bought a star veteran and won two championships. That's why I like this trade so much for Milwaukee. The fact that they still have cap to sign someone in 2011 (obviously not Anthony, but if they get Carl Landry, Hammond is the GOAT) is gravy.

It's only a risk if the Bucks splurge on the rest of their team and if they do, they deserve what they get. Otherwise it's an interesting attempt in a weak East to try and entice such a "get better players" move in the future.

Flipping Bell for Maggette should move the team up a couple wins, if Redd comes back healthy at the end of the year, so much the better. The East is basically in shambles lest we forget.

The East is in shambles? Atlanta arguably improves (but remains a fringe contender) if they swap Johnson for Childress (as long as Smith's great season wasn't an anomaly), LeBron's probably staying in the East (though I would love if he went to Dallas), and most of the teams with abundant cap space are in the East. This was probably Boston's last chance at a title for a while though, as good as Rondo is.

I doubt Redd ever plays another game in a Bucks uniform, and I think Maggette will get more than just Bell's minutes. If LeBron goes somewhere other than Chicago or Cleveland, they'll probably win the division and make the second round. Jennings needs to become an all-star for them to contend though.

[Cleveland wins]

Bucks get a draft pick in this deal, for Godzuric and Bell? That surely is a steal, Maggetti is a much better player than Godzuri and Bell, and if the bucks do move Michael Redd, then i hope its to cleveland so they can have a better swingman than Delonte West and Anthony Parker.