2013 NBA Finals: San Antonio Spurs (2) vs Miami Heat (1)

[shadowgrin]

I'm not telling people what to do, I only tell them that they suck and should stop sucking. The results of wrestling matches are predetermined. Jennings and Ellis were delusional, people don't cheer for crazy people unless they back up their rant. It's not about fandom, it's about the appreciation of sports. If sports were only viewed in absolute objectivity then the only thing we would be doing is comparing numbers and sports would be lifeless and flaccid like benji's penis.

I find it funny that it's the fanboys and bandwagoners in this thread that brought up the 'hate' and 'jealousy' angle against the Heat in the first place. They can't accept the fact that people have different reasons and opinions for rooting against another team which they don't prefer so all the bandwagoners and fanboys do is assume and impose their own opinion to those that disagree with them and OMG HATER U JEALOUS OF MY TEAM.

[RedPhazon8]

I'm not telling people what to do, I only tell them that they suck and should stop sucking. The results of wrestling matches are predetermined. Jennings and Ellis were delusional, people don't cheer for crazy people unless they back up their rant. It's not about fandom, it's about the appreciation of sports. If sports were only viewed in absolute objectivity then the only thing we would be doing is comparing numbers and sports would be lifeless and flaccid like benji's penis.

I find it funny that it's the fanboys and bandwagoners in this thread that brought up the 'hate' and 'jealousy' angle against the Heat in the first place. They can't accept the fact that people have different reasons and opinions for rooting against another team which they don't prefer so all the bandwagoners and fanboys do is assume and impose their own opinion to those that disagree with them and OMG HATER U JEALOUS OF MY TEAM.

I want the Spurs to win because I like the Spurs... Point proven...

[NovU]

cHeatpurs rooters suck ass. And they should stop sucking. I'm not telling what to do but is only a lively opinion like grin's tongue on Kobe's scrotums.

a great defensive strategy. let Bosh shoot long 2s and 3s.

Bosh was fantastic at long twos this season. Killer really. He shoots better there than closer in.

The problem is that it's encouraged him to step out for the extra point even though his percentage drops like shadowgrin in front of a naked Kobe.

I just hate the fact that now he's comfortably settled into role of a big softie instead of playing like a powerforward. I don't care about 20/10 stats you normally can get from a superstar powerforward anymore. But now, we are at a point where we just wish for him to make 15 footers consistently, nothing more. Forget rebounding or being a defensive force downlow.

[shadowgrin]

I want the Spurs to win because I like the Spurs... Point proven...

Yeah but some people can't accept that you like the Spurs for simply liking them so they impose that you have an agenda of hating and being jealous of the Heat for no apparent reason.
Same applies when some people can't accept that others don't like what they like so they have to assume something negative to those who are contrary in opinion to them just to make themselves feel good and justified in their assumption.

[NovU]

Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with what you said.

It's just tough, man. Just tough. Fanboism and hate travel two different directions on a single lane alleyway. Casual taunting is inevitable. That's another fun(or stressful) part of sharing love for the sport. So while we are at it, at least we could have fun calling each other cocksuckers.

[benji]

The problem that the Pacers (among others) showed, and also tonight, is that Bosh doesn't really rebound anymore. So LeBron has to pick up the slack or they have to play someone like Haslem. Chris Andersen has really bailed them out.

If the Heat can't overwhelm someone, they struggle quite a bit, which has been an issue ever since assembling this team because they're thrown into shuffling their roster to figure it out. They don't have a single lineup they know they can go back to to weather a storm.

[shadowgrin]

@ the canadien
Sure but no one likes the jest of taunting if it's horrendously stupid with no thought given at all.

Calling someone a hater and jealous as a taunt, then what?

I know the entire Heat team have their dicks stuck in your mouth and ass for a long time but it's still not an excuse to not give a good job and good effort of taunting for support of your respective team.

It's not the Heat 'haters' fault that Heat fans can't think of something to taunt the opposing team so they end up being on the defensive instead of engaging in the fun of it all.

[NovU]

Bah. Like anyone actually turns to logic or look for a rational discussion when it comes to a fanboism/hate/bandwagoning. Is no different really, haterz, fanboys, true fans, bandwagoners... like ppl who can't stand their team being bashed or ppl having fun doing it.

The problem that the Pacers (among others) showed, and also tonight, is that Bosh doesn't really rebound anymore. So LeBron has to pick up the slack or they have to play someone like Haslem. Chris Andersen has really bailed them out.

Never have I thought Bosh would turn out to be this kind of big when he signed with the team. I appreciate the sacrifice and effort made in a role adjustment, but at the point, it's hard to justify his performance as a big with near max contract on a team that's built on sacrifices.

[hova-]

IIRC he was not really a good rebounder in his days with the Raptors either, just played more minutes and thus reached 20/10 plateau (did he really?)

But as you could see with the Mavs, it's not a problem to have a PF not crashing the boards and shooting mid-range shots and threes as long as you have a C with decent inside presence. So go away from small ball, play LeBron at the three, Bosh at the four and add a defensive minded, glass eating C.

So for these Playoffs, where Wade is playing underwhelmingly (cause of injury), if you could just trade Wade for a guy like Tyson Chandler (who earns the same money), the Heat would have no trouble winning it all. (My opinion)

[_Steve_]

Bosh's rebounding numbers were never great since he is with the Heat. Even in his days with Toronto he was average at best (in relation to his minutes). What really would have pissed me off if I were a Heat fan was his lax interior D (against Duncan and Splitter). Looks like TD will have a hell of a series...

[NovU]

IIRC he was not really a good rebounder in his days with the Raptors either, just played more minutes and thus reached 20/10 plateau (did he really?)

But as you could see with the Mavs, it's not a problem to have a PF not crashing the boards and shooting mid-range shots and threes as long as you have a C with decent inside presence. So go away from small ball, play LeBron at the three, Bosh at the four and add a defensive minded, glass eating C.

So for these Playoffs, where Wade is playing underwhelmingly (cause of injury), if you could just trade Wade for a guy like Tyson Chandler (who earns the same money), the Heat would have no trouble winning it all. (My opinion)

Wade's still the number 2 s-guard only after Harden this season. That's just absurd.

[shadowgrin]

You just can't accept the fact that the usual insults against LeBron are based on what he himself did (or did not do, in the 4th) so even if it's repeated endlessly against him it does have a basis as a FACT so people constantly use it against him.
Like the fact that Kobe still has more rings than LeBron or that Kobe who dissed the Lakers when he was a free agent still toughed it out by re-signing with the team instead of pretending to be nice while quitting on the team and taking his talents elsewhere.


lol sacrifice and role adjustment, it's not like he didn't play and guard the 5 spot before in Toronto.
Sure he 'sacrificed' not playing his preferred 4 spot that was assured to him when he signed with the Heat then and had to play the 5 again like he did in the past but it's not a sacrifice now when he's intent on being a jumpshooting big when the Heat needs him playing like the big he was in Toronto.

[hova-]

SteveHTOWN, you're right, but is it exactly Bosh's fault that he is trapped in a small ball lineup trying to be a center that he will never be. He is undersized, underweighted and does not feel well down low offensively as well as defensively.

Small ball might be great during regular season, but against a Spurs team that manages to cut down turnovers to 5 (which is sick and won't happen again), you will just lose, even with them shooting poorly and getting outrebounded.

NovU,

yeah, maybe, but the question is, does this Heat team need him? Wouldn't it be better to have a shooter at the two? Like the Jet was for the Mavs, like Green for the Spurs? I don't know about Allen, since he is washed up, but a good C would be more valuable than a good SG for the Heat imho.


Oh and btw, watching the press conference, how cocky is LeBron? You watch Duncan, Parker, their analytical, sober style. True professionals. LeBron is so cocky talking to the media. ALso just my perception maybe.

[benji]

It's not that Bosh was a good rebounder it that he wasn't an atrocious rebounder. If he didn't have that 19 rebound game against the Bulls and 14 board game against the Bucks he'd be at 5 boards per 36 for the playoffs.

[NovU]

You just can't accept the fact that the usual insults against LeBron are based on what he himself did (or did not do, in the 4th) so even if it's repeated endlessly against him it does have a basis as a FACT so people constantly use it against him.
Like the fact that Kobe still has more rings than LeBron or that Kobe who dissed the Lakers when he was a free agent still toughed it out by re-signing with the team instead of pretending to be nice while quitting on the team and taking his talents elsewhere.

Just like you can't seem to accept when somebody argues about LBJ far from being a choker or Kobe being an alltime overrated. Same shit. Pointless discussion here we go again.

[shadowgrin]

Because LeBron did choke when it mattered the most so his team got eliminated out of the post season in the past and people took notice of that. He may be clutch in 82 games but still doesn't change the fact the he choked when the world was paying attention or that he quit on his team to take his talents elsewhere so an offensive flopper and dirty player can carry him to a ring.

Leading your team to 5 rings is not overrated. His stats may not be as pretty as LeQuit but the numbers show The Mamba was the most efficient player in the Lakers postseason in the last two championships that he led, with the rest of his championships being 2nd only to Shaq for obvious reasons.

[NovU]

LoL. See?

BTW your facts/conclusions are based on couple games and number of rings. We shouldn't be wondering why some Heat fans are so reactive much to a mockery at times.

yeah, maybe, but the question is, does this Heat team need him? Wouldn't it be better to have a shooter at the two? Like the Jet was for the Mavs, like Green for the Spurs? I don't know about Allen, since he is washed up, but a good C would be more valuable than a good SG for the Heat imho.

Good C would definitely benefit the Heat. But I wouldn't give up Wade just yet. That's too much to risk aside from entire trade thing being nearly impossible anyways.

This Heat team made to the Finals three years in a row with LeBron and Wade as clear best one two punch combo in the league. Even limited Wade proved to be great at times and win you a couple stretches here and there.

[benji]

lol at you thinking anyone wants Wade or anyone else on the Heat except LeBron who they're already clearing space for anyway.

also holy shit I forgot how much everyone on the internet overreacts and lives and dies by every single game spending the days between the games trying to reinforce their narrative until it suddenly shifts. this is what I get for being aloof instead of trolling this year.

[Stress Fracture]

Playoffs > Regular Season. Come on canadien.

[shadowgrin]

2 Finals series where you choked aren't merely a 'couple' of games. Those are THE games. People tend to remember that often.

What's wrong with leading the team to rings and using that as a measure of success? Last time I checked the ultimate goal of teams and players alongside earning more money is winning a championship.

Knowing what you know now, who would you pick as a suitable franchise player - Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, or Tim Duncan?

This bias against rings is as horrible as hatred for stats or clueless stats worship.

[benji]

That reminds me of a conversion I was having earlier but forgot to bring up the point so I'll force it on you. Imagine Barkley in today's game where you can play stretch fours and fives and zone. Barkley as the "SF" next to say, Dirk and Marion, but they swap on defense or whatever. om nom nom nom.

[NovU]

@Stress Fracture: You can stop being a mini-shadowgrin on me. I don't think I have any history with you. And what was your point anyways, try to make it clear.

This bias against rings is as horrible as hatred for stats or clueless stats worship.

Spoken like a true Kobe dick rider.

You know how much I couldn't careless about Kobe vs LBJ talk especially in this thread with you, but wasn't the topic about the Heat fans being reactive too much? Now you are doing the same thing trying to defend for Kobe. Heat boys and you are actually more alike than you ever realize.

lol at you thinking anyone wants Wade or anyone else on the Heat except LeBron who they're already clearing space for anyway.

Lol. Probably true, but I don't think Arison&management will pull a CelticsPierce on Wade.

[shadowgrin]

My point with Kobe is Heat fans can't handle facts when faced with it.

LeBron dicksuckers say this or that to defend him but bottomline he actually did what he's known for and that is choking while people may bash Kobe this or that but bottomline he's the best because of what he actually did and that is to win. A lot.

Because Heat dickriders can't handle facts they resort to OMG HATERS U JEALOUS to defend the Heat unlike real and true Kobe fans that use facts to defend him instead of resorting to the 'hate' angle.

[NovU]

Sounds about the same shit to me. But if then, carry on.

[shadowgrin]

Not really.
I never resorted to calling the Kobe bashers as jealous haters as my main argument in this recent defense example of Kobe.
If you think resorting to the hate agenda as the only option is the same as giving facts, well then...