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Carmelo Anthony is a cancer, & the most overrated player in the NBA. Knicks are below .500 with him including playoffs.

Carmelo Anthony is a cancer, & the most overrated player in the NBA. Knicks are below .500 with him including playoffs.

How the eff is he a cancer? In Denver he worked with good PG's like Billups, even had two seasons with a still very much ball dominant Allen Iverson...

He is without a doubt the best all around scorer in the NBA. He can score from anywhere. The reason he is playing poorly with the Knicks is due to several reasons:

(1)no great PG chemistry (Lin may become a great PG, but its worthless if you don't use your teams best offensive weapon), and no matter how much D'Antoni tries, Melo is never gonna be a point forward. Melo can score and score and score, but don't ask him to do anything else. If D'Antoni sticks to his (IMO) stupid principles, they will never be considered a true championship contender.

(2)No defence. Melo on his best defensive days is a below average defender - and they combine that with one of the laziest defender I have seen in Stat. Knicks gave up all defensive depth in the trade, and D'Antoni's go for broke on offence approach leaves them even weaker in D.

As some articles have pointed out - the real winner in the recent surge of 'Linsanity' has been the Knicks defence, and that was without both Melo and Amare playing.

Knicks made one of the stupidest trades getting Melo and Amare together, and toss it in with some D'Antoni and you have the reason they are struggling.

But w/ever, if they stick with those two (three!!) then unfortunately, theres gonna be a lot of "giving" by Melo and Amare to try and fit in with Lin, who really needs to work with D'Antoni on more complex plays giving a chance for everyone to be involved.

However, if they do try and get rid of Melo, he is one of the most tradeable Max Salary guy (apart from Dwight and Deron Williams) if a coach and GM get him with some sort of semblance on how to construct a team.

I've been keeping up with LINsanity since the first day he started and I am a believer in his skills. I would pick him in a draft ahead of Rajon Rondo any day of the week. Rondo is not an elite PG, and people were severely over hyping him. Don't get me wrong, he has had some great moments in the past, but now that the Celtics as a team have weakened, Rondo has become less effective. His shot hasn't improved since he's been in the NBA. He's not good to have in at the end of games because defenses help off of him, and he is a poor free throw shooter. He's no good unless he has great players around him. Lin is a much better shooter and is no slouch defensively (2.25 spg as starter). He's also bigger than Rondo. Give him a few years of development and more time in the gym. I think in D'Antoni's "system" he could average 18/8/2 while shooting a decent clip from 3 and the FT line. I really like how often he gets to the FT line. That is going to keep him around for a LONG time.

Are you serious bro?

Steals and Assists are like the POOREST predictors of good defence/passing. Rondo was the new kid off the block, and he grabbed a veteran Celtics team by the cajones and became their central player. If anything, shooting is the easiest skill to improve, look at J-Kidd, going from his Rondo-esque shooting to being a 40% 3 pt threat.

Lin's offensive numbers are always IMO gonna be inflated in D'antoni's system, and GL for a D'Antoni team beating Celtics in the playoffs. Don't see it happening even in the next 2-3 seasons, unless they get somehow drug Dwight into signing a contract.

And this still stands: Lin is a better defender than Rondo now?

Sure!
How well he guarded D-Will last night... Magnificent! Later in the game the Nets even begged for another defender so D-Will finally could score some points in the game...

Lin's offensive numbers are always IMO gonna be inflated in D'antoni's system, and GL for a D'Antoni team beating Celtics in the playoffs. Don't see it happening even in the next 2-3 seasons, unless they get somehow drug Dwight into signing a contract.

Couldn't agree more! Plus - and that's already have been said - he does not create shots/ space for his teammates as CP3, Rondo or even Rubio do...

He is without a doubt the best all around scorer in the NBA.

I doubt.

Lin's offensive numbers are always IMO gonna be inflated in D'antoni's system

Why?

and GL for a D'Antoni team beating Celtics in the playoffs. Don't see it happening even in the next 2-3 seasons, unless they get somehow drug Dwight into signing a contract.

Have you seen the Celtics lately?

So now we're already comparing Jeremy Lin to Rondo. Guys maybe we should wait on this one at least until the playoffs. Maybe a little longer than that. Jeremy Lin has proven to be a better offensive scorer thus far but that doesn't mean we should downplay Rondo's skills as a pg. Rondo is not bad offensively. And he has shown some improvement in his mid range game. And C'mon Bra! Lin a better defender than Rondo? Yes Lin is very talented but let's not get so caught up with that, that we start forgetting about the other talented pg's performances. Rondo has had many great performances during his career. Even with all of the great games we have seen by Lin this year they still don't measure up to what Rondo has done during his career.

Edit: BTW a little payback by Deron Williams by dropping 38 pts on the Knicks tonight. He hit 8 three pointers!

I said I would draft Lin, which means I think he is a better prospect. I'm not trying to say Lin is better now than Rondo. That's just stupid.

Steals and Assists are like the POOREST predictors of good defence/passing.

Proof or ban.

I don't need just stats to prove my claim (personally, I abhor them).Have you actually seen any of Lin's assists?

Rondo was the new kid off the block, and he grabbed a veteran Celtics team by the cajones and became their central player. If anything, shooting is the easiest skill to improve, look at J-Kidd, going from his Rondo-esque shooting to being a 40% 3 pt threat.

O RLY? Then we have the Celtics been so eager to offer him up in every trade rumor possible if he's so central/important? If shooting is so easy improve, why does he still suck? Or better yet, why isn't everyone a 3 pt shooter?

Lin's offensive numbers are always IMO gonna be inflated in D'antoni's system, and GL for a D'Antoni team beating Celtics in the playoffs. Don't see it happening even in the next 2-3 seasons, unless they get somehow drug Dwight into signing a contract.

1. The Celtics suck. Have you watched them this year? Rondo and all of his amazingness can't even get them to 90 ppg.
2. I don't buy that this is all about D'Antoni. Lin is the first PG to thrive under him since Nash, who we all know is a HOF, with or without D'Antoni.

Then we have the Celtics been so eager to offer him up in every trade rumor possible if he's so central/important?

Because he's their only real asset.

1. The Celtics suck. Have you watched them this year? Rondo and all of his amazingness can't even get them to 90 ppg.
2. I don't buy that this is all about D'Antoni. Lin is the first PG to thrive under him since Nash, who we all know is a HOF, with or without D'Antoni.

Hey, you sound smart.

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That's the most retarded thing I've ever seen on the entire internet. Which is saying something.

2. I don't buy that this is all about D'Antoni. Lin is the first PG to thrive under him since Nash, who we all know is a HOF, with or without D'Antoni.

Raymond Felton nearly made the all-star team as a Knick last season, and has been the worst starting point guard in the league this season.

Then we have the Celtics been so eager to offer him up in every trade rumor possible if he's so central/important?

Because he's their only real asset.

I would agree. Like I said, I think he was very much overhyped and more of a product of his team than some people are willing to admit. Some people actually considered him with the likes of CP3 and Nash. If he were as central to the team as niharjhatn would suggest, the Celtics would be looking to keep him long term and build around him, not trade him away.

i am sure rondo would have better numbers in a more offensive system but with the celtics he is the only one running. his lack of shot is keeping him from being a top player (not just point) in the game. the fact that he has not really improved speaks of his characters. ainge went out and tried to tell everyone how he was such a hard worker and blah blah blah, just trying to hype him to up his value for a trade.

personally i want to see everyone on the celtics not named pierce get traded but thats just me. pierce has earned the right to retire there no matter how far he may falls in the coming years

That's the most retarded thing I've ever seen on the entire internet. Which is saying something.

yeah i agree with you here. i saw this a couple days ago and stopped it after the guy started talking. it's shit like this that makes people think it's okay to put "chink in the armor" in a headline or "couple inches of pain" in a tweet.

niharjhatn, Melo was surrounded by Billups, Nene, Afflalo, Lawson, Martin, JR Smith last year <-- look at that talent. He chose fame/money over winning by leaving Denver.

Melo might be the best all around scorer but in no way, shape, or form he's a better scorer than Kevin Durant. Just no way.

i am sure rondo would have better numbers in a more offensive system but with the celtics he is the only one running. his lack of shot is keeping him from being a top player (not just point) in the game. the fact that he has not really improved speaks of his characters. ainge went out and tried to tell everyone how he was such a hard worker and blah blah blah, just trying to hype him to up his value for a trade.

personally i want to see everyone on the celtics not named pierce get traded but thats just me. pierce has earned the right to retire there no matter how far he may falls in the coming years

Bill Simmons has said this several times about Rondo, and I 100% agree. His inability to make jumpshots, FT's, is a big liability to that team. In the 2010 Finals, Kobe was giving Rondo at least 5 feet of space. Nobody in the league respects his jumpshot. And it is absolutely astounding that he has been in the league for FIVE YEARS and yet to improve in that category. No excuse for that. None.

i am sure rondo would have better numbers in a more offensive system but with the celtics he is the only one running. his lack of shot is keeping him from being a top player (not just point) in the game. the fact that he has not really improved speaks of his characters. ainge went out and tried to tell everyone how he was such a hard worker and blah blah blah, just trying to hype him to up his value for a trade.

personally i want to see everyone on the celtics not named pierce get traded but thats just me. pierce has earned the right to retire there no matter how far he may falls in the coming years

Bill Simmons has said this several times about Rondo, and I 100% agree. His inability to make jumpshots, FT's, is a big liability to that team. In the 2010 Finals, Kobe was giving Rondo at least 5 feet of space. Nobody in the league respects his jumpshot. And it is absolutely astounding that he has been in the league for FIVE YEARS and yet to improve in that category. No excuse for that. None.

Jason Kidd.


And some of you guys should learn how to edit your posts instead of double posting.

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Jason Kidd.

Jason Kidd is 3rd ALL TIME in 3PT FGs made.

Which tells us absolutely nothing about how good a shooter he is.

Jason Kidd's yearly TS%
1st - .471
2nd - .468
3rd - .498
4th - .502
5th - .527
6th - .498

Rajon Rondo's TS%
1st - .472
2nd - .515
3rd - .543
4th - .540
5th - .495
6th - .524

Not bad for a guy who stinks at FTs and has no 3-point shot unlike Kidd who got a decent three-point shot in his 2nd year and started making good FTs in his 4th year.

Ha, not fair to compare Rondo & Kidd's shooting ability. Jason Kidd blows him out of the water. Kidd's good 3PT shooting was pretty evident in the playoffs last year.

Of course it isn't fair, it should have favored Kidd because of his better 3pt and FT and yet Rondo still puts up good TS%. Like I said...

Not bad for a guy who stinks at FTs and has no 3-point shot

...for over 5 years in the league now as compared to someone who developed a much better shot earlier in his career like Kidd did.


I'll have to wait 12 years for Rondo to mature before I can compare him to Kidd's playoffs in his 17th season in the league.

Proof or ban.

I don't need just stats to prove my claim (personally, I abhor them).Have you actually seen any of Lin's assists?

Rondo was the new kid off the block, and he grabbed a veteran Celtics team by the cajones and became their central player. If anything, shooting is the easiest skill to improve, look at J-Kidd, going from his Rondo-esque shooting to being a 40% 3 pt threat.

O RLY? Then we have the Celtics been so eager to offer him up in every trade rumor possible if he's so central/important? If shooting is so easy improve, why does he still suck? Or better yet, why isn't everyone a 3 pt shooter?

Lin's offensive numbers are always IMO gonna be inflated in D'antoni's system, and GL for a D'Antoni team beating Celtics in the playoffs. Don't see it happening even in the next 2-3 seasons, unless they get somehow drug Dwight into signing a contract.

1. The Celtics suck. Have you watched them this year? Rondo and all of his amazingness can't even get them to 90 ppg.
2. I don't buy that this is all about D'Antoni. Lin is the first PG to thrive under him since Nash, who we all know is a HOF, with or without D'Antoni.

LOL you ask me for proof or ban, while providing none of your own? I am trying to have a semi intellectual discussion. Please leave emotion simply because I don't agree with you out of it.

Steals in no way reflect defensive performance. Understand what a steal is - and remember this isn't the 80's when you could actually make some contact with an offensive player as a defender. Allen Iverson average 2 steals his career, being a poor defender the entire time.

Assists also are BS. Look at how many times Nash would set up a play that he doesn't get an assist for - even given the run and gun play style in Phoenix, he probably should get 25 "assists" i.e. the number of times he creates a favourable situation directly resulting in a teammate scoring. Simply being the last person to touch the ball before a teammate scores speaks nothing of creating offence, which is what a good passer really does.

Rondo has been on the block because Ainge and him don't get along. He has been a bit surly, a bit arrogant, and the effort he puts in on a day-to-day basis is extremely variable. When he is on full throttle though, he is one of the top 8 players in the NBA. As for his shooting, it has gotten significantly better. People say it is because his hands are too big relative to him so he can't grip the ball properly. W/ever, he should still work on it, but people obviously focus on different things in training. I would take Rondo over a pure shooting PG any day of the week though.

As for the celtics sucking (yes I am C's fan, but trying desperately to stay unbiased ), they lost their bench, Jeff Green, and their ridiculously old big 3 just got a year older. Note how most of the veteran teams have been ridiculously inconsistent due to the lack of pre season etc. Also, simply scoring 90 ppg is hardly a knock on a team. If a team plays a slower pace with an emphasis on D, obviously they are not going to score as much as the Suns, Knicks, Heat, Nuggets who thrive on the fast break.

D'Antoni's team has continually been disappointing, and he has sucked apart from the years when Nash was quite deservedly MVP and one of the best in the league.

niharjhatn, Melo was surrounded by Billups, Nene, Afflalo, Lawson, Martin, JR Smith last year <-- look at that talent. He chose fame/money over winning by leaving Denver.

Melo might be the best all around scorer but in no way, shape, or form he's a better scorer than Kevin Durant. Just no way.

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You kinda contradict yourself there man... you say he has great teammates and worked well with them but then somehow say he is a cancer on the team? Yeah, he chose money (he was already really famous ), but TBH it was a long shot for him to win it all in Denver. It sucks, but smaller market teams are always gonna be trod over by a bigger market team. Lebron set the example (if he can't get a team like Cleveland to win, no one can), and all players want to play with someone else now.

As for comparing him to KD, yeah, KD is scoring more and more efficiently now, but Melo is still the best overall "scorer". He is IMO one of the most underrated low block scorers in the NBA, which KD (yes I agree, he scores at unbelievable ease) does not have.

Ha, not fair to compare Rondo & Kidd's shooting ability. Jason Kidd blows him out of the water. Kidd's good 3PT shooting was pretty evident in the playoffs last year.

When Kidd could still dunk on people in the 90's, people called him 'Ason Kidd, coz he didn't have a J. Yes he was that bad.

A quick look at stats on wiki tells the story - but look at the huge difference in his form. He used to pull the ball from somewhere behind + above his ear before he developed the stroke he has today.

but smaller market teams are always gonna be trod over by a bigger market team. Lebron set the example (if he can't get a team like Cleveland to win, no one can), and all players want to play with someone else now.

And some of you guys should learn how to edit your posts instead of triple posting.

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