2010 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[J@3]

They could, if they want to concede 350 points per game.

[Martti.]

So Johnson getting 119M from the Hawks is now official. Man, I guess the Hawks don't care about the way he played against the Magic.

[Sauru]

the hawks just wanna make the first round the next 6 years, they have no interest in winning or even sniffing the finals

[Rip32]

They could, if they want to concede 350 points per game.

Lee-Amar'e-Gallinari is the perfect NBA Jam trio: 2 dunkers and a three point shooter... defense not apply of course

[Dee.]

Seems Amare and Knicks made a deal,poor Knicks fans.

[Lamrock]

At least instead of Joe Johnson, the Knicks signed someone useful.

[Dee.]

Hes as useful as Joe without Nash.

[Lamrock]

How do you know that? He won Rookie of the Year without Nash.

[Dee.]

He did,but with pretty low numbers compared to when Nash is with him.
He's doomed if Knicks won't get a playmaker for him.

[buzzy]

Hey, at least something good happening to the Knicks .. Amare has his obvious flaws but he still is an all NBA player on O, even without Nash.
I think Walsh made a good decision there, not having to depend on LeBron and Bosh.

[Sauru]

the only good thing i see here is with him in place another top rate free agent might be more willing to sign on the dotted line. if no one else joins the knicks they are still gonna suck up the joint.

[benji]

He did,but with pretty low numbers compared to when Nash is with him.

Because he was a rookie straight out of high school and used 20% fewer possessions. His second season, despite being injured for much of the season he put up 20/8 without Nash while starting 53 games. In 2008-09, with Nash and starting 53 games he averaged 21/8.

He's doomed if Knicks won't get a playmaker for him.

Doomed? Really? Hyperbole much?

You probably were saying Shaq was going to be doomed without the triangle/Kobe back in 2004.

Amare is unassisted on half his non-dunks in the paint. He creates a good number of his jumpers by not rolling off the pick and roll and getting a handoff from Nash. He creates many of his dunks by blowing past people and leaping. He's not someone who needs to be setup, him and Nash thrive with each other because they compliment each other. Amare is super athletic and has great skill at putting himself in position to score while Nash is a fantastic passer who can get him the ball.

We need to get past this stupid notion that ONLY the assister is behind any assisted basket and that the assistee is helpless without being "setup" by the assister. Especially for anyone who uses 25+% of possessions. We're not talking about a corner camper or "everyone forgot about him so he's sitting under the basket" who can't do anything else scoring-wise like a Bruce Bowen or Jason Collins here.

Big men are highly assisted anyway (look at Shaq's numbers for example), because of the sheer fact of where they operate. If they post up and put the ball on the floor nobody gets an assist. But if they are great at getting the ball and immediately being able to put it up and in, their teammates are going to get a lot of assists off these easy buckets, but they're going to have the same assisted rate as the aforementioned big nobody cares about because he can't do anything. Amare, like a Dwight Howard, is a player you don't necessarily want posting up and pounding it in because that means your offense has stalled and you're not getting the best shot you can get out of those two guys. (A quick and easy close basket or dunk.) Even Shaq was best the same way where he was immediately putting it up on his man, that way he couldn't be stripped or doubled or fouled trying to post and pound it in. Most of the time when Shaq posted it was because the Lakers couldn't get a quick bucket or were faking while looking for the kick-out three, the primary goal was always to get him the ball so he can quickly overpower and dunk or score on his puny defender.

[Andrew]

As I said in the other thread, Amar'e seems to receive too little credit for his offensive abilities and the numbers he's put up in his career. There'll probably be times when the absence of a player like Nash is painfully apparent, situations where Nash shouldered the load or made things happen in the past, but it's not like Amar'e is rendered useless or unable to score more than 10 ppg without him.

[J@3]

I hate Amare, he is easily one of my least favourite players. He spends half the game standing under the hoop waiting for Nash to drive a dish, then dunks, and celebrates as if he's just thrown down on 5 people. He plays no D and is an awful rebounder. He'll just start taking jump shots now that he hasn't got Nash giving him open dunks.

[Murat]

He did,but with pretty low numbers compared to when Nash is with him.
He's doomed if Knicks won't get a playmaker for him.

Sure? Amare was a piece of bench... behind of Gugliotta... Amare played 2 years without Nash and became the PF of team... So?

[shadowgrin]

Badger you son of a bench.

[benji]

Sure? Amare was a piece of bench... behind of Gugliotta...

71 starts.

[Murat]

Really? Ha, I just watched only Suns-Spurs match (Marbury's buzzer beater and Suns won)... I have a brain as a bird's brain...

[J@3]

My head is about to explode.

[shadowgrin]

If you have a brain as a bird's brain it won't explode.

[Chaoot]

If you have a brain as a bird's brain it won't explode.

... unless you're benched.

[Dee.]

Orlando Signed Chris Duhon to a 4YR 15mill deal.

[puttincomputers]

duhon with orlando=Orlando title run!

[shadowgrin]

Not really.

[Axel The Great]

He'll be a piece of bench.