Payton for allen?

You don't want Jason Kidd shooting the ball, he's simply not a shooter...he's a passer who scores when needed...look at his field goal percentage...

Any pure point guard loves playing with a dominant post player, especially one with the passing talent of Duncan. Look at the Lakers; dominant post player and another superstar, and they're working on their fourth consecutive championship. Duncan's a dominant post player and Kidd's a bonafide superstar, and an unselfish pure point guard to boot. Match made in heaven? I think so.

Olowokandi's rumored to sign with San Antonion, so the Twin Towers will continue, albeit with less talent.

Tony Park and Kidd in the backcourt would be like David Wesley and Baron Davis. It CAN be done. Parker's a shooting point guard, not a distributor...Parker would play the two on offense, the point on D. The two would be interchangeable, really, and the only designation between "point guard" and "shooting guard" would be whoever starts where in the starting lineup...

I don't know about you guys, and you'll all probably disagree with me, but a lineup of Olowokandi, Duncan, Jackson, Kidd, and Parker seems a helluva lot better than the Lakers...and the two best players on this team just want to win.

I don't know about you guys, and you'll all probably disagree with me, but a lineup of Olowokandi, Duncan, Jackson, Kidd, and Parker seems a helluva lot better than the Lakers...and the two best players on this team just want to win.

If Kandiman and Kidd goes to SA this summer, the Spurs will have a lot of variations...
C. Olowakandi/Willis
PF. Duncan/Rose
SF. Bowen/Jackson
SG. Jackson/Kidd/Ginobili
PG. Kidd/Parker

C. Olowakandi/Willis

Do you think Willis will still be alive next season?

Shane, it's not that you want him to keep shooting the ball, it is that part of being MVP candidate (which he is in NJ) includes shooting. He was not consider an MVP candidate til he got to NJ where he had to do everything. His game is the same as it was in Phoenix, like I told Clinton & like Ben finally admitted, but Kidd's work is noticed more in a team that needs him (like NJ) rather than a team already supported by a lot of stars (like SA), that's why I believe his game will not be the same. I mean, even the minutes Kidd is going to get there are going to be less, with Jackson, Parker, Ginobili in the team.

Do you think Willis will still be alive next season?

LOL , actually, no, but i read somewhere that he's planning to play next season ( ), that's why i put him there.

I don't Think Kandi can exist on a team like that even though no one really cares about him...Kandi seems to think of himself as a great great basketball player...Read his article in Slam Magazin and you will see how concieted he is....Also Kandi wants a sh!tload of cash and this team weve just put together looks to blow the cap off the roof, not to mention the bench players.as only 10 players were named.

His game is the same as it was in Phoenix

No, it's not. He has got better. Jason Kidd is not the same player he was 3 or 4 seasons ago.

but i read somewhere that he's planning to play next season

Has he only got a one year deal with SA?

Willis' deal is ending this summer.

You completely misunderstood. No quality free agents are or will be coming to New Jersey. Especially if Kidd gets a pay raise. IE, New Jersey cannot pay them.

Rodney Rogers is a starter-quality player and former 6th man of the year. He signed with New Jersey for half of their mid-level exception...which is less than he was offered to play in Minnesota. The reason? He wanted to play with Kidd. Devean George strongly considered leaving the Lakers to sign with the Nets for the other half of that exception. When players from the defending champions are considering coming to play for you...that's a lot of pull.

The Nets get those exceptions each year and there's no reason they can't keep increasing depth that way.

Mutombo is not a defensive stopper, he makes the Nets worse, and without they are better defensively. The Spurs are still better. Points Per Game is not the only measure of defense, and in every category San Antonio pwnz.

You're confusing Mutombo not fitting into the offense yet with him not fitting into the defense. Defense is where the guy excels. Also, don't confuse "not a Shaq stopper" with "not a defensive stopper." There are no Shaq stoppers. Mutombo is, however, one of the best defensive big men in the league. That includes against his own man in the post, where other shotblockers like Camby and Bradley fail, and in blocking drivers. He's also still an excellent rebounder...helping to limit opponents to one shot and starting the fast break. He's an intimidating presence under the basket, and he allows Kidd, Jefferson and others to play a lot tighter on their man knowing that insurance is there.

Michael Olowokandi.

Exactly how much money do you think Olowokandi expects? The guy has told the Clippers and others that he wants the max or near the max. He's mentioned as a possibility for the Spurs if they can't sign Kidd. If they do sign Kidd they're not going to be getting another max or near max free agent. And if you're going to go down the slope of saying people will sign for less...than you might as well say every free agent will sign with the Spurs...and then this discussion loses all touch with reality...

Well, then Tony Parker is the SG, either one's the SG if you want, or you're starting two PGs or even two SG's if you want. The position designation is really irrelevant.

When you only have one basketball...and one person has to take that basketball up the court and set-up the offense...then position does matter.

Parker takes many pull-up shots, and finishes many fast breaks. They are both smaller than Kidd in terms of overall size, both are fast, both can shoot and therefore they will be nearly similar in the backcourt.

Parker also likes to drive-and-kick. If Parker is drive-and-kicking then Kidd is playing the role of spot-up shooter. That's the weakest part of his game. If you ask Parker not to try and create for others then you're limiting his game. You want one person to create for others and one person to score in the backcourt. It's usually best to get guys whose games are focused towards those roles. That's why they have different designations of guard and teach different skills for the two positions. You're not maximizing your talent by putting two natural point guards in a backcourt, no matter how much one likes to shoot.

And where did you get the idea that Kittles is smaller than Kidd? Skinnier? Yes. He's also a good 2 inches taller and you can see that on television. Kittles defends shooting guards and Kidd switches on if they need to make an absolute stop.

Kidd wants to head back West, he's not an Eastern guy.

From [url="http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/0924/1436072.html"]ESPN.com[/url]

""I love being an East Coast guy,'' he (Kidd) said. "There's so much flavor. It's fun. I like the East. I hope I don't have to go far if everything works out for the rest of my career.''

Kidd wouldn't lose all his endorsement money (how many local business does he have endorsements with?),

Kidd's merchandise and endorsements (like East2West) have emerged because companies love marketing to the huge Northeast population. If Kidd turned on the region he'd become a villain. Do you know what happens to your endorsements when 30 million people in the media capital of the world decide they don't like you?

Kidd would run the Spurs offense. Kidd already plays tons of minutes in NJ and could play LESS in San Antonio with Parker, Claxton, Jackson, etc.

It would be a half-court offense...built to accentuate Duncan and devoid of open-court finishers. The Spurs would be good...but Kidd would be second fiddle. If he's splitting time with Parker, Claxton, and Jackson then his minutes are also going to be down. He's unselfish...that doesn't mean he has low self-esteem and wants to fade into someone else's shadow...

He would earn more fame and admiration by becoming a key part of a Championship contender.

If he wants fame and admiration...he's in the prime place to get it. He's the best player in the biggest market. If the Spurs are the best team...then Duncan gets the admiration and the MVP awards. They also have to compete with other super-teams like Dallas, the Kings and the Lakers and do so twice as often as he does in Jersey. The one thing he doesn't do is go to San Antonio for fame and admiration...[/url]

You completely misunderstood. No quality free agents are or will be coming to New Jersey. Especially if Kidd gets a pay raise. IE, New Jersey cannot pay them.

Rodney Rogers is a starter-quality player and former 6th man of the year. He signed with New Jersey for half of their mid-level exception...which is less than he was offered to play in Minnesota. The reason? He wanted to play with Kidd. Devean George strongly considered leaving the Lakers to sign with the Nets for the other half of that exception. When players from the defending champions are considering coming to play for you...that's a lot of pull.

The Nets get those exceptions each year and there's no reason they can't keep increasing depth that way.

Mutombo is not a defensive stopper, he makes the Nets worse, and without they are better defensively. The Spurs are still better. Points Per Game is not the only measure of defense, and in every category San Antonio pwnz.

You're confusing Mutombo not fitting into the offense yet with him not fitting into the defense. Defense is where the guy excels. Also, don't confuse "not a Shaq stopper" with "not a defensive stopper." There are no Shaq stoppers. Mutombo is, however, one of the best defensive big men in the league. That includes against his own man in the post, where other shotblockers like Camby and Bradley fail, and in blocking drivers. He's also still an excellent rebounder...helping to limit opponents to one shot and starting the fast break. He's an intimidating presence under the basket, and he allows Kidd, Jefferson and others to play a lot tighter on their man knowing that insurance is there.

Michael Olowokandi.

Exactly how much money do you think Olowokandi expects? The guy has told the Clippers and others that he wants the max or near the max. He's mentioned as a possibility for the Spurs if they can't sign Kidd. If they do sign Kidd they're not going to be getting another max or near max free agent. And if you're going to go down the slope of saying people will sign for less...than you might as well say every free agent will sign with the Spurs...and then this discussion loses all touch with reality...

Well, then Tony Parker is the SG, either one's the SG if you want, or you're starting two PGs or even two SG's if you want. The position designation is really irrelevant.

When you only have one basketball...and one person has to take that basketball up the court and set-up the offense...then position does matter.

Parker takes many pull-up shots, and finishes many fast breaks. They are both smaller than Kidd in terms of overall size, both are fast, both can shoot and therefore they will be nearly similar in the backcourt.

Parker also likes to drive-and-kick. If Parker is drive-and-kicking then Kidd is playing the role of spot-up shooter. That's the weakest part of his game. If you ask Parker not to try and create for others then you're limiting his game. You want one person to create for others and one person to score in the backcourt. It's usually best to get guys whose games are focused towards those roles. That's why they have different designations of guard and teach different skills for the two positions. You're not maximizing your talent by putting two natural point guards in a backcourt, no matter how much one likes to shoot.

And where did you get the idea that Kittles is smaller than Kidd? Skinnier? Yes. He's also a good 2 inches taller and you can see that on television. Kittles defends shooting guards and Kidd switches on if they need to make an absolute stop.

Kidd wants to head back West, he's not an Eastern guy.

From ESPN.com

""I love being an East Coast guy,'' he (Kidd) said. "There's so much flavor. It's fun. I like the East. I hope I don't have to go far if everything works out for the rest of my career.''

Kidd wouldn't lose all his endorsement money (how many local business does he have endorsements with?),

Kidd's merchandise and endorsements (like East2West) have emerged because companies love marketing to the huge Northeast population. If Kidd turned on the region he'd become a villain. Do you know what happens to your endorsements when 30 million people in the media capital of the world decide they don't like you?

Kidd would run the Spurs offense. Kidd already plays tons of minutes in NJ and could play LESS in San Antonio with Parker, Claxton, Jackson, etc.

It would be a half-court offense...built to accentuate Duncan and devoid of open-court finishers. The Spurs would be good...but Kidd would be second fiddle. If he's splitting time with Parker, Claxton, and Jackson then his minutes are also going to be down. He's unselfish...that doesn't mean he has low self-esteem and wants to fade into someone else's shadow...

He would earn more fame and admiration by becoming a key part of a Championship contender.

If he wants fame and admiration...he's in the prime place to get it. He's the best player in the biggest market. If the Spurs are the best team...then Duncan gets the admiration and the MVP awards. They also have to compete with other super-teams like Dallas, the Kings and the Lakers and do so twice as often as he does in Jersey. You don't leave the New York/New Jersey media spotlight for Tim Duncan's shadow in a tiny market if you want fame and admiration...

Exactly how much money do you think Olowokandi expects? The guy has told the Clippers and others that he wants the max or near the max. He's mentioned as a possibility for the Spurs if they can't sign Kidd. If they do sign Kidd they're not going to be getting another max or near max free agent. And if you're going to go down the slope of saying people will sign for less...than you might as well say every free agent will sign with the Spurs...and then this discussion loses all touch with reality...

Before this, you stated Rodney Rogers, a starter-quality player and former 6th man of the year, signed with New Jersey for half their exception to play with Kidd, and Devean George, member of the reigning champions, was tempted to leave those reigning champions for the other half of NJ's exception. Why wouldn't Olowakandi do the same for a chance at a title?

Also, with Milwaukee playing two PGs to success, and both of them thriving, why shouldn't San Antonio be able to do so?

Because Rodney Rogers and Devean George don't think they are superstars. Michael Olowokandi does...or at least thinks he will become one and should be paid as such now.

As for Milwaukee...Payton was traded there...it wasn't his choice. If it was up to him he wouldn't be fond of going to a team where he'd have to change positions. Not if other factors similar to the ones that are affecting Kidd are taken into account. Payton is also more of a scorer than Kidd, who is a passer first and foremost.

I'm going to make it easier for you, tell me if Gugliotta was not an All-star a year before Kidd got to NJ. I'm not changing my story, I said very clear they were all-stars if not superstars. Cliff was a superstar when Kidd got there, same as Penny, the point there is not who went to the all-star game Ben, the point is that he didn't have chance to shoot the ball like he's doing it in New Jersey.

Cliffy has never been a superstar. Googs was not an All-Star in 2000-2001. Kidd takes one more shot per game in New Jersey than he took in Phoenix.

So Payton is more expensive than Duncan?

No. Duncan already has a contract, and if he were to opt out, the Spurs could go over the cap to sign him.

However, he hasn't won anything there yet but the one he already had. He had respect for Robinson, so what makes you think Kidd is going to disrespect his whole team?.

A championship hope.

Why San Antonio (who has been beaten up by the same lakers year 2 & 3) can win a ring and NJ can't?

Spurs got beat by the Lackers because Duncan has not had additional pieces. New Jersey is not talented, nor large to defeat the teams out West.

Of course NJ can, they just didn't have the luck to have the whole season with Mutombo, even though at the time Mutombo gets back, NJ will have to wait til he gets 100% to give the best results, but don't you see them at the top of their division without him?.

NO! He's not a good player and he makes the Nets worse!

What about if he's playing, do you think anyone will stop them in the east?. Indiana can have all they have but the fun they got last year getting O'Neal in the post and all those kids jumping around and making fun of Van Horn, this time is not going to be the same with Mutombo blocking shots there. A good rebounder and one of the best defensive players in the whole NBA history.

Ha! Mutombo is not a great defensive player, never has been, never will be. He won't be stopping O'Neal or any other post player bigger or more mobile than he is (i.e. nearly every center in the league) and can't block shots or rebound like he used to.

Sometimes you feel better when you do something by yourself, when your team accomplish something and you are the one who gets the credits, that's why there's a Finals MVP, is given to the player who did the most for his team to win the championship. In San Antonio, Duncan would get that, that's why he will feel better doing it in NJ, cause he will get the credits there.

Kidd will get tons of credit if he goes to San Antonio and actually wins a ring, rather than falling far short every year.

Ok, there's something I don't have to discuss with you and it is the payroll for every team, looks like you do because I don't understand how can San Antonio have Duncan, Parker, Smith, Ferry, Jackson, Kerr, Rose, Willis, and they are planning to sign Kidd and Kandy, how can they have cap with all those guys and you would say NJ doesn't?, are they just getting pennies for playing?

Of the players you mentioned, only Duncan, Parker, Ferry, Jackson and Rose have contracts extending beyond this season. The Spurs will have more cap room than anyone in the league except Denver I believe.

You just said he didn't feel comfortable playing with the boss there.

No, I didn't. I said the pressure of the spotlight got to him because he wasn't ready for it, he's now used to it.

that gives me one point more cause I'm just arguing with you that he is doing it in NJ cause he feels the freedom of doing it, if he gets where there's a major guy like Duncan, he will have to stop and feed Duncan before he does anything else.

He played the same in Phoenix and New Jersey, teams with the same, if not fewer options for Kidd than San Antonio.

Shane, it's not that you want him to keep shooting the ball, it is that part of being MVP candidate (which he is in NJ) includes shooting. He was not consider an MVP candidate til he got to NJ where he had to do everything.

But....New Jersey has played worse than Phoenix did, the reason Kidd's getting accolades is because he is taking the team farther because of the weakness and black hole that grips the Eastern Conference and because he's playing in the shadow of the largest market.

that's why I believe his game will not be the same. I mean, even the minutes Kidd is going to get there are going to be less, with Jackson, Parker, Ginobili in the team.

His game will not change, he will continue to play as he always has. It's good that Kidd gets fewer minutes during the regular season, he'll be in better shape come playoff time!

Rodney Rogers is a starter-quality player and former 6th man of the year. He signed with New Jersey for half of their mid-level exception...which is less than he was offered to play in Minnesota. The reason? He wanted to play with Kidd. Devean George strongly considered leaving the Lakers to sign with the Nets for the other half of that exception. When players from the defending champions are considering coming to play for you...that's a lot of pull.

The Nets get those exceptions each year and there's no reason they can't keep increasing depth that way.

Rogers would start because of the lack of talent in the league really. George is pretty much worthless after showing much promise and probably saw more playing time in New Jersey. However, I doubt New Jersey will be willing to pay much over the Luxury Tax, thus they won't be able to add role players like last season without moving other pieces of the team.

You're confusing Mutombo not fitting into the offense yet with him not fitting into the defense. Defense is where the guy excels. Also, don't confuse "not a Shaq stopper" with "not a defensive stopper." There are no Shaq stoppers. Mutombo is, however, one of the best defensive big men in the league. That includes against his own man in the post, where other shotblockers like Camby and Bradley fail, and in blocking drivers. He's also still an excellent rebounder...helping to limit opponents to one shot and starting the fast break. He's an intimidating presence under the basket, and he allows Kidd, Jefferson and others to play a lot tighter on their man knowing that insurance is there.

Mutombo cannot defend anyone bigger, faster or more mobile than him. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but the fact is nearly all teams that rely on a strong post prescence, their players fit that description. Mutombo's never been a great defender because he mainly swats at the ball, he does not have good footwork and often plays something resembling a square dance. Mutombo ruins the Nets offense and it's one reason they are playing far better without him.

Exactly how much money do you think Olowokandi expects? The guy has told the Clippers and others that he wants the max or near the max. He's mentioned as a possibility for the Spurs if they can't sign Kidd. If they do sign Kidd they're not going to be getting another max or near max free agent. And if you're going to go down the slope of saying people will sign for less...than you might as well say every free agent will sign with the Spurs...and then this discussion loses all touch with reality...

The Spurs can sign Kidd and a near max free agent. That's the cap situation they are in. Olowokandi's agent has stated that Kandi will strongly consider a smaller, shorter offer (Bird rights = $$$) from the Spurs if they were to sign [Kidd].

When you only have one basketball...and one person has to take that basketball up the court and set-up the offense...then position does matter.

That person = Kidd.

Parker also likes to drive-and-kick. If Parker is drive-and-kicking then Kidd is playing the role of spot-up shooter. That's the weakest part of his game. If you ask Parker not to try and create for others then you're limiting his game. You want one person to create for others and one person to score in the backcourt. It's usually best to get guys whose games are focused towards those roles. That's why they have different designations of guard and teach different skills for the two positions. You're not maximizing your talent by putting two natural point guards in a backcourt, no matter how much one likes to shoot.

Gary Payton and Sam Cassell. David Wesley and Baron Davis. Allen Iverson and Eric Snow. Cuttino Mobley and Steve Francis. Would you still consider Anfernee Hardaway a PG? If so, Hardaway and Stephon Marbury.

Also, it's not like every single time down they have to do the same thing, somtimes Kidd can do his thing, other times Parker can drive and dish. Parker doesn't do that every time down, Kidd does spot-up and shoot sometimes. No reason they can't co-exist.

"I love being an East Coast guy,'' he (Kidd) said. "There's so much flavor. It's fun. I like the East. I hope I don't have to go far if everything works out for the rest of my career.''

And he's only stated the opposite how many times?

Kidd's merchandise and endorsements (like East2West) have emerged because companies love marketing to the huge Northeast population. If Kidd turned on the region he'd become a villain. Do you know what happens to your endorsements when 30 million people in the media capital of the world decide they don't like you?

I don't think all of those people would decide to not like you. Think of how many endorsements he can receive going back out West and winning a ring.

It would be a half-court offense...built to accentuate Duncan and devoid of open-court finishers. The Spurs would be good...but Kidd would be second fiddle. If he's splitting time with Parker, Claxton, and Jackson then his minutes are also going to be down. He's unselfish...that doesn't mean he has low self-esteem and wants to fade into someone else's shadow...

Who said it does? If he's unselfish he'll defer to a player much much better than him in order to win. The Spurs could run a full-court offense, or a mix like Sacramento does in order to utillize all aspects of the team. Duncan's would be able to keep up since he's very quick. In the long run, an entirely full-court offense would reduce the importance of Duncan but make Kidd more important, it would also make the Spurs a worse team because the offense should be going through Duncan.

If he wants fame and admiration...he's in the prime place to get it. He's the best player in the biggest market. If the Spurs are the best team...then Duncan gets the admiration and the MVP awards. They also have to compete with other super-teams like Dallas, the Kings and the Lakers and do so twice as often as he does in Jersey. The one thing he doesn't do is go to San Antonio for fame and admiration...

Then why would he go there? It offers a legit shot at a ring.

As for Milwaukee...Payton was traded there...it wasn't his choice. If it was up to him he wouldn't be fond of going to a team where he'd have to change positions. Not if other factors similar to the ones that are affecting Kidd are taken into account. Payton is also more of a scorer than Kidd, who is a passer first and foremost.

Then Parker is the scorer. Cassell and Payton are both scorers, and they so far appear to co-exist, so how could a scorer and passer not co-exist (ala Philly)?

Kidd takes one more shot per game in New Jersey than he took in Phoenix.

Ben, I already explained why Kidd started shooting over 1000 shots, if you check back the notes, you will see why.

Cliffy has never been a superstar. Googs was not an All-Star in 2000-2001.

Sorry I didn't mean the year before he got to NJ but the year before he got to Phoenix, since you are saying Kidd didn't have any all stars in his team there, You can check if Googs was not an all star in 96. Also Cliff has never been a superstar?, well back to portland days, he was the big one when Drexler went to Houston, Manning was a superstar when he got to phoenix as well as Penny, I don't know why you are trying to say they were not, however if your point is while kidd played with them, I would have to agree most of them were going thru a lot of injuries so they wouldn't be chosen as all-stars but the fact that they didn't go to the all-star doesn't make them less than an all-star, a lot of people still believe Hill is an all-star, and you can't take that from him just cause he didn't make the all-star game.

A championship hope.

That's all Duncan has, lol. While the Lakers take all the rings, Duncan will stay hoping. Kidd at least in NJ can get to the Finals and something big can happen there, but Duncan has a miserable life there in San Antonio where he would have to face Dallas, Lakers or Sacramento, that's more than enough to keep him out of race, and that's the way it has been for so long. Why do you want Kidd when you have Parker?, you just want to get a bunch of guys for San Antonio, Kandi as well, lol. They will do a little better than Portland I believe. However Kidd get better results staying in NJ, now that the east teams are not that powerful like those in the west. He can get to the Final easier than Duncan and as many times as he wants.

Spurs got beat by the Lackers because Duncan has not had additional pieces.

Well, Duncan, Robinson, Smith, Parker, Kerr, Jackson, Ferry, Rose After all I see San Antonio was much better than the Lakers, the only Dif. is Shaquille and that will be the dif. til all spurs die.

Ha! Mutombo is not a great defensive player, never has been, never will be. He won't be stopping O'Neal

Well, what O'Neal are you talking about?, Jermaine? of course he can. Ben, did you get hit in your head by any chance? How can you say Mutombo has never been a defensive player?, are you just trying to give me a hard time here? if so, I will ignore that comment.

But....New Jersey has played worse than Phoenix did, the reason Kidd's getting accolades is because he is taking the team farther because of the weakness and black hole that grips the Eastern Conference and because he's playing in the shadow of the largest market.

Ben, I have to agree the east is weak, but haven't you seen an east weaker team getting championships against the powerful west teams? The Lakers took Portland chance back in 91, Portland being the best team in the west to face Chicago where Chicago (weaker than Portland) won. Chicago went the next year against the Powerful Blazers and took the championship away from them as well, Chicago was weaker than those Blazers, you know that. I don't have to say anything about the Suns cause that was the same story.

Kidd in NJ will get to the Finals easier than being in San Antonio, cause I don't think Spurs life is easier than the Nets life. Spurs have to face the Mavs, the Queens, and the Lakers in order to get to the Finals. The Nets have to face the Pacers, the Pistons and the Cavaliers to get to the Finals. After Kidd gets to the Finals, they just have to focus on that particular team, the Nets got beaten that bad cause they didn't have any center at that moment, even Mutombo can't stop Shaq, he at least can do much more than what Aaron Williams was doing to stop him.

LOL, that post was really funny...

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A championship hope.


That's all Duncan has, lol. While the Lakers take all the rings, Duncan will stay hoping. Kidd at least in NJ can get to the Finals and something big can happen there

Well, if Kidd stays in New Jersey, and the Lakers takes all the rings, he also would be only hoping.
It doesn't matter how many times he goes to the Finals, or how easy he can get there, he wants a championship, and to win one you need a force in the paint (or a VERY good scorer), and Duncan provides that.

Well, Duncan, Robinson, Smith, Parker, Kerr, Jackson, Ferry, Rose After all I see San Antonio was much better than the Lakers, the only Dif. is Shaquille and that will be the dif. til all spurs die.

Much better than Shaq, Horry, Fox, Kobe, Fisher, George and Walker??

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Ha! Mutombo is not a great defensive player, never has been, never will be. He won't be stopping O'Neal


Well, what O'Neal are you talking about?, Jermaine? of course he can. Ben, did you get hit in your head by any chance? How can you say Mutombo has never been a defensive player?, are you just trying to give me a hard time here? if so, I will ignore that comment.

Well, i think he means DEFENSE, the whole defense, not just grab rebs. and block shots.

Kidd in NJ will get to the Finals easier than being in San Antonio

How do you know that???

The Nets have to face the Pacers, the Pistons and the Cavaliers to get to the Finals.

The first 2 teams can compete with the Nets....and the Cavs, well, i hope you were joking.

I think we have to open a Jason Kidd thread, all our comments are out of context since we are not talking about that trade.

However to answer few of your questions. Yes, I was joking about that Cavs stuff, the case is Kidd in the East would get easier to the Finals than being in the West. West teams are much better and difficult. Also, if you read the whole thing, I said something big can happen if he gets to the Finals, so that would be advantageous, I know he's still hoping but it's much better to hope in the Finals than in a first round.

Back in 89, first championship for the Pistons, it was just their luck that Scott & Magic got injured. Why luck?, cause the Lakers swept everyone in every round til they got to the Finals, meaning they were ready to shut down any opponent they would face. then after those injuries the only one who tried to do it all was Worthy, Magic tried to comeback in game 3 and had to leave the game after 3 mins.

If you hope during your early rounds, your doing almost nothing, 8th spot Denver won against seattle back in 94, then they just couldn't do anything else after that, it was the first time an 8th spot got over the 1st place, but they died soon cause the next round was as tough as the 1st one. You have to get to the Finals so your efforts start showing good results.

I think we have to open a Jason Kidd thread, all our comments are out of context since we are not talking about that trade.

Agree.

West teams are much better and difficult.

Not exactly better, 'cause almost every team in the West has a post presence, but in the East, the teams are stronger at the Guards.

If you hope during your early rounds, your doing almost nothing

You don't have to hope, you just have tu put your best effort, and things can happen, like...

8th spot Denver won against seattle back in 94

(Again, sorry if i made a mistake with the English in this post)

who do you think got the best of the trade now?