Fri May 26, 2006 3:47 pm
Fri May 26, 2006 4:53 pm
Fri May 26, 2006 4:55 pm
Fri May 26, 2006 5:02 pm
Sam. wrote:
Jersey looks familiar ?
Oh ye Tskitishvili is wearing a Benetton Treviso jersey ...
And whos on Benetton Treviso ?
Andrea Bargnani.
Not saying Bargnani will turn into Tskitishvili but I rather not risk drafting him but if we do I wouldn't mind it I guess. Make sense ? Ye ...
Fri May 26, 2006 5:42 pm
Fri May 26, 2006 9:50 pm
Sat May 27, 2006 12:14 am
Sat May 27, 2006 12:31 am
Stevesanity wrote:The euro or rather international success conversion is very poor of late and the Raptors aren't in need of taking up another bust. Im not saying LaMarcus or Tyrus will not be entitled to bust status but I'd see them making the transition way more easier whilst Bargnani can play(though doing that against the Raptors is no big deal specially in a preseason game) I think their safer with LaMarcus (Tyrus is too small, they need to get Bosh at PF) or trading that pick for a current star.
No real physical test has come on him either having played in Europe for two or three years, I think the Raptors should pass on him cause I see him as too big a risk factor. He's at best a rich man's Vladimir Radmanovic, I would even take Adam "The Geek" Morrison ahead of him.
Sat May 27, 2006 12:42 am
VanK wrote:Stevesanity wrote:The euro or rather international success conversion is very poor of late and the Raptors aren't in need of taking up another bust. Im not saying LaMarcus or Tyrus will not be entitled to bust status but I'd see them making the transition way more easier whilst Bargnani can play(though doing that against the Raptors is no big deal specially in a preseason game) I think their safer with LaMarcus (Tyrus is too small, they need to get Bosh at PF) or trading that pick for a current star.
No real physical test has come on him either having played in Europe for two or three years, I think the Raptors should pass on him cause I see him as too big a risk factor. He's at best a rich man's Vladimir Radmanovic, I would even take Adam "The Geek" Morrison ahead of him.
Bargnani has a better skill repertoire than Radmanovic ever had and that comparison is quite bad. VR has a legit power forward body, yet he doesn't use it. Bargnani uses everything he has, the real question is - will he ever have more (body-wise)? I hope he'll have, because we need more Dirks in this League.
Sat May 27, 2006 1:00 am
Sat May 27, 2006 2:40 am
Sam. wrote:
Jersey looks familiar ?
Oh ye Tskitishvili is wearing a Benetton Treviso jersey ...
And whos on Benetton Treviso ?
Andrea Bargnani.
Not saying Bargnani will turn into Tskitishvili but I rather not risk drafting him but if we do I wouldn't mind it I guess. Make sense ? Ye ...
Sat May 27, 2006 4:09 am
I dont think the Raptors need to flex at another possible euro bust, their best off with Aldridge or a trade. Thomas doesnt make real sense with Bosh on the team and Morrison isnt worth the first. The Raps need to get Bosh at the PF, Bargnani is no C whilst Aldridge is. The team also already has Villanueva as a SF/PF, sure the versatility can be a bonus but why draft someone that will be a bench player when they can get a future starter and at the same time help their franchise player move to his more comfortable position.
Sat May 27, 2006 7:48 am
fgrep15 wrote:a little early to say Thomas is going to be Swift. especially when some draft boards say he has a better feel/intangibles for the game and is certainly not as dumb as rocks as Swift.
also Thomas may still get taller. in high school he was 6-6/190lbs, and is now listed at 6'9/219 and still has that big wingspan. can't wait for the draft measurements/drill scores
I didn't say he's Swift, I said a 6'9 who's kinda like Swift, which was in relation to body type. They're the same type of player except Stromile has been said to not have a very good work ethic, and doesn't always put enough effort, so obviously he doesn't have those things. When you talk body type (Swift is bigger even), athleticism etc, they're very similar.
NBA Comparison: Shawn Kemp
Strengths: Amazing atlhete. As a senior in HS dunked from the free throw line in a dunk contest. Very good moves around the basket. Has all the tools to become a top PF in the NBA. Good hands, soft touch. Good competitor. Look at the muscles on those arms!!!!------>
Weaknesses: Inexperience. Passing and defense can improve. Post moves can get much better. Needs to demand the ball and take over more then he does already.
Draft Outlook: Top 2 pick
Sat May 27, 2006 8:36 am
Sat May 27, 2006 7:39 pm
iKe7in wrote:I dont think the Raptors need to flex at another possible euro bust, their best off with Aldridge or a trade. Thomas doesnt make real sense with Bosh on the team and Morrison isnt worth the first. The Raps need to get Bosh at the PF, Bargnani is no C whilst Aldridge is. The team also already has Villanueva as a SF/PF, sure the versatility can be a bonus but why draft someone that will be a bench player when they can get a future starter and at the same time help their franchise player move to his more comfortable position.
You keep referring to these Raptor draft icks who have been busts or euro busts, yet if you take a look at their draft history:
Villenueva/Graham/Ukic/Slokar
Araujo (will probably be a bust, but he's brazilian and played college ball)/Pape Sow (useful reserve)
Bosh(anything but a bust)
Jeffries(traded 2nd year in Rose/Marshall deal)/Bonner(low second round, but very useful reserve)
Bradley (was useful bench player until injury
Peterson (low 1st round, not a bust)
Bender (dealt for Davis)/Radejovic (was a bust, but was dealt for kevin Willis)
Jamison(dealt for Carter, not a bust)
So I don't know where the idea that the Raptors have a bad draft history came from. Everyone refers to Hoffa, but the list ends there. Any draftees that turned out badly were either packaged in deal to get better players or weren't high picks to begin with. How many other teams can boast picks like Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Damon Stoudemire, Marcus Camby and now Charlie V, yet we haven't had a top 3 pick in 10 years, and have never had a #1 pick.
Sat May 27, 2006 8:48 pm
Sun May 28, 2006 9:34 am
Gherardini close to front-office job
Top European general manager on verge of becoming Colangelo's right-hand man
MICHAEL GRANGE AND ROBERT MACLEOD
In a bold move to try to bolster the sliding fortunes of the Toronto Raptors, president and general manager Bryan Colangelo is taking the club where no National Basketball Association franchise has ventured.
Maurizio Gherardini, regarded as the top basketball mind outside the NBA, is poised to become Colangelo's right-hand man in Toronto.
He will be the first European to hold a senior basketball position with an NBA club.
According to two separate sources, Gherardini, the general manager of Benetton Treviso, Italy's top professional basketball club, has already agreed to join Colangelo's basketball front office in Toronto.
An official announcement could come as early as next week.
"It is a done deal," one Italian source with close ties to Gherardini said yesterday in an e-mail message.
"He's waiting [for] the end of the Italian season to make it official, but there's no doubt he's coming to Toronto."
Hired in 1992 as the general manager of Benetton, Gherardini has built the team into one of the model franchises in European basketball while continuing to forge strong ties with many teams in the NBA.
He is considered an innovator in European basketball. In recent years, for example, he developed and was the host of the Reebok Big Man camp and the Reebok Eurocamp, which brings the top young European prospects and a slew of NBA coaches together for instruction and networking.
"I could give you a whole song and dance about Maurizio, but in a nutshell, if you have him, you have Europe," said Roosevelt Bouie, a former Syracuse University star who played 12 years professionally in Italy and lived there for four more.
Colangelo, who speaks in glowing terms of Gherardini's basketball capabilities, wouldn't say yesterday that Gherardini is about to land in Toronto.
"Nothing to confirm on that," he said. "I would say he's a guy I would love to have in our organization and staff."
Colangelo is still in the process of putting together his basketball front office after being hired as Rob Babcock's replacement in February to try to repair the Raptors, who have missed the postseason for four consecutive years.
He described Gherardini as just the kind of basketball executive to help him with the Toronto rebuilding job.
"Maurizio is someone I would very much like to have come to our organization, but there's a process to go through first," Colangelo said, adding that there are European clubs interested in Gherardini's talents as well.
"We would like to have him, but there are some very deep pocketed clubs courting him as well," he said.
Gherardini almost jumped to the NBA in 2003 after the league agreed to grant a franchise to the Charlotte Bobcats. Gherardini was interviewed for the general manager's job, but eventually lost out to Bernie Bickerstaff.
A onetime banker who speaks fluent English after graduating from a suburban high school in St. Louis, Mo., in 1973 as a foreign exchange student, Gherardini said at the time he had no doubt his basketball skills would translate well into the NBA.
"I think the world basketball community is small, and getting smaller all the time," he told the Charlotte Observer. "Doing this would be much easier than 10 years ago or 20 years ago."
Gherardini is considered a shrewd evaluator of basketball talent, and this year's Benetton team includes Andrea Bargnani, the seven-footer whom the Raptors, who hold the No. 1 pick for the NBA draft next month, are taking a close look at.
Uros Slokar, a forward whom the Raptors chose in the second round in last year's draft, also plays on the team.
Sun May 28, 2006 11:39 am
Stevesanity wrote:I was not going out at the Raptors past picks, more as to what the Raptors need right now
but since you brought it up Vince Carter was not drafted by the Raptors, he was drafted by the Warriors.
Damon Stoudamire is pretty much a bust cause he's only had a few good years early on and turned into a headcase and is confused as to whether he's a PG or a SG.
Camby's been injured for most of his career and though he's good when he's on the court he's not reached the potential he was slated with.
Graham's not that impressive,
Ukic has still to be tested
and Slokar not really sure what he's about so I wont judge those two.
Lets not get carried away about Charlie V, sure I like him too but he's still got ways to prove himself cause he can easily get an injury or have a few good seasons and be crap for the next 10 years of his career.
Plus Chris Jeffries has disappeared off the face of the earth and isnt even in the league anymore.
The Raptors cannot depend on a untested euro guy to come good, its not as easy as it seems for european guys to adjust to life in North America and to get along with the people and the teammates.
The team needs to function right
and thats why even Aldridge can come into question cause of his disatisfying personality. I hope Bargnani does well, I have no issues or quarrels against european players but from a Raptors perspective it should be either Aldridge or a trade.
Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:54 am
Raptors high on Spaniard
May 31, 2006. 12:15 AM
DOUG SMITH
SPORTS REPORTER
Jorge Garbajosa is certainly not a saviour for the Raptors but he could be a piece of their building process and there's a chance the gritty, 6-foot-9 forward from Spain could be in Toronto next season.
According to the Spanish sports publication Marca, the Raptors have made overtures about signing the free agent forward. NBA officials who have seen the 28-year-old play make it sound like he'd be a great fit.
Garbajosa, who played for current Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni in Italy and was a teammate of current Raptor point guard Jose Calderon with the Spanish national team, is a free agent with a buyout clause in his European contract and could be signed by the Raptors in mid-July.
Garbajosa is said to be a tough inside presence despite his height and could also be able to stretch defences with three-point shooting ability. He's not a true NBA centre — more along the lines of the undersized Kurt Thomas of the Phoenix Suns — but he could do some of the dirty work under the basket to take some of the pressure off the likes of Chris Bosh and Charlie Villanueva.
At his age, Garbajosa is running out of time to see if he can thrive in the NBA and that's another reason he'd be amenable to overtures from the Raptors, who have money under the league's salary cap to pay him and a roster spot he could fill.
While he played with Benetton Treviso under D'Antoni, the general manager of that team was Maurizio Gherardini, who is soon to join the Raptors as the assistant general manager to Bryan Colangelo. Gherardini's hiring is on hold only because Benetton is still involved in the Italian league playoffs.
Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:31 am
Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:57 am
Its_asdf wrote:Was just about to post that. Anyway, I've never seen any European games before, so I can't really make a judgement on him.
He does seem like he'll add some grit in the frontcourt, but he's ANOTHER power foward, and I don't think Toronto'll need that.
Schell and Duke/Madrid the Raptors have insisted on joining in Toronto to Jose Manuel Calderón and Jorge Garbajosa. Pívot of the Unicaja is the one of the priorities of the Canadian tax exemption next season and they have already made him arrive a succulent supply from 12 million dollars by next the three seasons. According to he announced Radio Mark, the positions are very near and the player has many appearances to become the third Spanish in the best League of the world the next year.
The operation two own names enter game: Bryan Colangelo and Mauricio Gherardini. First, president and manager general of the club, are one of the leaders of tax exemptions of NBA with more knowledge of the European basketball. The second saturated few dates ago in Toronto in condition of assistant when general manager. The Italian was the person in charge of the draftee of Garbajosa by the Benetton and the relation between both is excellent.
The interest of the Raptors by pívot international is not the unique one of an equipment NBA by players of the Spanish selection. Navarrese, Rudy Fernandez, Sergio Rodriguez and Fran Vázquez could accompany shortly to Gasol and Calderón in the best League of the world. Then, Spain would be a selection of NBA.
Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:28 am
Schell and Duke/Madrid the Raptors have insisted on joining in Toronto to Jose Manuel Calderón and Jorge Garbajosa. Pívot of the Unicaja is the one of the priorities of the Canadian tax exemption next season and they have already made him arrive a succulent supply from 12 million dollars by next the three seasons. According to he announced Radio Mark, the positions are very near and the player has many appearances to become the third Spanish in the best League of the world the next year.
The operation two own names enter game: Bryan Colangelo and Mauricio Gherardini. First, president and manager general of the club, are one of the leaders of tax exemptions of NBA with more knowledge of the European basketball. The second saturated few dates ago in Toronto in condition of assistant when general manager. The Italian was the person in charge of the draftee of Garbajosa by the Benetton and the relation between both is excellent.
The interest of the Raptors by pívot international is not the unique one of an equipment NBA by players of the Spanish selection. Navarrese, Rudy Fernandez, Sergio Rodriguez and Fran Vázquez could accompany shortly to Gasol and Calderón in the best League of the world. Then, Spain would be a selection of NBA.
Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:41 am
cyanide wrote:Schell and Duke/Madrid the Raptors have insisted on joining in Toronto to Jose Manuel Calderón and Jorge Garbajosa. Pívot of the Unicaja is the one of the priorities of the Canadian tax exemption next season and they have already made him arrive a succulent supply from 12 million dollars by next the three seasons. According to he announced Radio Mark, the positions are very near and the player has many appearances to become the third Spanish in the best League of the world the next year.
The operation two own names enter game: Bryan Colangelo and Mauricio Gherardini. First, president and manager general of the club, are one of the leaders of tax exemptions of NBA with more knowledge of the European basketball. The second saturated few dates ago in Toronto in condition of assistant when general manager. The Italian was the person in charge of the draftee of Garbajosa by the Benetton and the relation between both is excellent.
The interest of the Raptors by pívot international is not the unique one of an equipment NBA by players of the Spanish selection. Navarrese, Rudy Fernandez, Sergio Rodriguez and Fran Vázquez could accompany shortly to Gasol and Calderón in the best League of the world. Then, Spain would be a selection of NBA.
Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't understand anything that was written here.
Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:45 am
Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:52 am