The Official DETROIT vs MIAMI Thread

[furious1]

He He I just read a great article here: http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208~28777~2886852,00.html

Some good quotes:

" The Big Hype just ran into the Detroit Pistons, and excuse Lakers fans if they're chuckling and saying, "Been there, seen that.""

"To paraphrase action-philosopher Mr. T: "We pity the fools."

The fools in this case being Miami Heat fans and various sycophants of The Big Overrated. The man who likes to refer to himself as The Most Dominant Ever or whatever cute phrase pops into his cartoon-like imagination."


"The point being: The Big Yakker doesn't equate to NBA championships.

Sure, he looks good dunking against no one, after shoving defenders off the court with The Big Backside. Yeah, you want that 7-foot presence in the paint. Absolutely, he's often colorful. Fun.

But The Big Hurt is 33, prone to breakdowns - like the current deep thigh bruise - and not the force he was in, say, 2000, when the Lakers won the first of three consecutive NBA titles. The Big Has-Been could still run and jump, back then.

This is hard for some Lakers fans to get their minds around, but The Big Me had some help in his L.A. (try-mixing-in-a) salad days. Bryant, for starters, who won the 2000 Finals' critical Game 4 in overtime in Indiana with The Big Hacker having fouled out in regulation."


This guy is funny!

[Jackal]

That guy is full of shit. Mentioning stuff like shoving defenders away with his backside is just a crock of shit, since when can we blame O'Neal for his size & strength? How is it his fault there hasn't been a decent center aside from Hakeem & Robinson in the last few years? Everyone expected Miami to get this far, hell, that was only due to O'Neal's presence according to everyone before the season started. We all said they'd get far, then we looked at the roster, hmm, Butler? Jones? Haslem? Aside from Shaq & ( a not so great just good ) Wade the Miami team was zilch. After the season started Wade exploded, suddenly everyone was saying they'll get the championship. Haslem was playing solid, which I still credit to O'Neal. Jones seems rejuvinated & the other Jones does what he does best, drain open three's. That team has come this far due to Shaq's presence, if you're going to question that now that's just being a bitch. We knew Miami would get far, a lot of in the hype fans said they'd win it all. Saying O'Neal isn't dependable to win championships is a crock of shit. He got this far with Haslem, Jones and the rest of Miami. Really, who thought Haslem could play as well as he has?

Shaq was the most valuable player this year, his team was far weaker & yet they managed. Anyways, people will say what they want to say, all I'll say is the series isn't over yet.

When Webber hops on one leg everyone defends him, because he was a Laker rival. When O'Neal hops on one leg no one defends him because he was a Laker. Oh wells.

[J@3]

Shaq's got da phat ass... Webber gets boo'd in Philly every night so he's not really in a position of being defended.

[furious1]

When Webber hops on one leg everyone defends him, because he was a Laker rival. When O'Neal hops on one leg no one defends him because he was a Laker. Oh wells.

Oh I see kinda like when I asked this:

I wonder why everyone says Kobe was a ballhog and wouldn't pass the ball when the Lakers lost to the Pistons but now they say the Pistons wouldn't let Wade pass the ball? They shut down passing lanes.

You replied with with this:

Bryant couldn't create shit either last year, the refs weren't falling for his acrobatic tumbles & he couldn't get a shot off given the fact Prince's long fingers were in his face all the time. Throw in the fact he was pooped from chasing Rip behind screens from all angles & you've got an ineffective Bryant. He tried, he failed, LA lost.

Is that what you mean?

[Drex]

The Lakers had no one to create? Then WTF was Payton playing? I thought he was a PG

[furious1]

Halftime and the Pistons are playing like crap!! Man all this one on one play and fancy passes is not the way the Pistons should play. If they were playing like this against the Spurs they would be down by 25.

[Amphatoast]

billups has 8 turnovers at halftime.

[Arcane]

It's now 1 a peice. tough games gotta hate the close 1's

[furious1]

Bah the Pistons shoulda just got on a plane to Detroit if they were gonna play that way. Double up on Shaq? Why would you do that when you know that not doing that wins?

I guess two sweeps in the simi finals is too much for the sponsers to take.

[th3gh05t]

lol. as you can see, miami has what it takes to defeat the pistons

[Jackal]

Yeah, his name is Wade.

[Amphatoast]

haha wade ownage 20points in the 4th, 40 overall
Superstar Status

[Matt]

1-1, the way Detroit played it shouldn't have been close. Im not too down on this loss, i dont think Wade will score 40 again and the Pistons will regroup nicely for the Game 3. They always play better after a loss. Still, they got the split

[MaD_hAND1e]

1-1, the way Detroit played it shouldn't have been close. Im not too down on this loss, i dont think Wade will score 40 again and the Pistons will regroup nicely for the Game 3. They always play better after a loss. Still, they got the split

u'll get another guaransheed victory

[j.23]

i hate it when sheed guarnatees victories because he's always right
wade was unreal tonight, he absolutely torched tayshaun prince (something i didn't see kb8 do last year [sorry couldn't resist ])
his defense was spectacular too.. that block on billups from behind was crazy, im surprised he didn't foul him.. i say miami in 6

[Strike Freedom]

Miami can't rely too much on wade, it's gonna be dangerous.
Both Jones have to step up.

[Arcane]

Miami can't rely too much on wade, it's gonna be dangerous.
Both Jones have to step up.

E Jones stepped up on all levels in game 1 in game 2 he played defensive role despite the turnovers.

D Jones stepped up more in game 2 than in game 1

[boconcio]

i'm seeing a lot of bandwagon here...last year there were almost no heat fans in this forum... ppl start supporting team because of that fat bitch called shaq. i support this team since i started watching the league, in 1997. at first i just hated the o'neal trade, i'm a big fan of odom and i personally don't like shaq that much, i know he dominates, but i would like better to see a Zo-Grant-Odom-Jones-Wade lineup. whatever...

now about the series... i think this will be a TOUGH one for miami, and the heat has never won the tough ones.... there's that chicago one... all the knicks series (even being the top seeded), that's always like this, we can easily beat all the medium teams, but when it comes to big games miami has a bad history. but i hope today players can change this situation.

Haslem has been playing very good, despite a poor game 2 performance, i think Udonis is a very important piece of the scheme.

Wade is top 10 (maybe top 5) in the league, some months ago i said he was better than lebron, ppl amost killed me... lol. dwayne is someone who can easily adjust his game, in the first game he was forcing too much, and wasn't paying attention to what the Pistons were doing, then in game 2 he stepped up and played in a different way, i think he won't score 40 again in this series, but i'm SURE he won't score 16 again, he is not going to score under 25-26 points again in this series, he has just learned how to play against detroit's defense. this guy reminds me of someone.... 23.

my prediction is 7 games, but i just can't say who will get this one... (sure i hope it's Miami...)

[fgrep15]

Like I said, Wade will adjust, and he did just that, and even more. Detroit is going back hime now, but this is one of those series' where homecourt advantage matters, but not as much as you would like.

Alonzo [grrr] has been a big boost for Miami wth his defensive presence, he's been averaging about 2-3 BPG, and while Haslem is not a bad player, he's a non factor defensively as he's 6'8, doesn't have long arms, isn't a good man to man defender, and can't block shots.

Shaq only played 33 minutes again today, but he was 8-15, grabbed 10 boards, and had 2 blocks, and was a bigger factor and much more effective in his minutes.
boconcio, don't make the Jordan comparison, please, Wade has a similar game to him at a young age, but don't even make a talent comparison there, please.

Dwyane Wade! 4o points, 15-28, a nice block and steal at the end, 10-10 FT's, it was just a classic Dwyane Wade game. Attacking the basket, putting pressure on the defense, getting to the line, it was great.

[Jackal]

ppl start supporting team because of that fat bitch called shaq.

No, I support Shaq because he's Shaq. Miami could burn & die and I could care less. I just want to see Shaq with another ring. Fat bitch? It's because of that fat bitch Wade's done that much better. That fat bitch gets doubled, enabling Wade a lane to drive in. You think without that fat bitch Detroit would let Wade penetrate? Right. Detroit kept doubling Shaq. Fat bitch. Say that to the three rings.

but i would like better to see a Zo-Grant-Odom-Jones-Wade lineup. whatever...

Zo wouldn't even be there if Shaq wasn't there. The man wants to win. Amazing how stupidly you downplay Shaq's presence.

[J@3]

Well actually, if Shaq wasn't there there's a good chance he could've gone to Miami anyways. I mean they weren't exactly the Hawks with Odom, Butler and Wade.

[Jackal]

Personally I don't think he would've done that. I think he would've joined another team, SA orso. I really think Shaq being there was a factor. I think he based his decision on how "tough" he'd have to play. With Shaq he can afford to be a non-factor. He can be on the bench. I'm guessing he took into account his health and all and opted for safety and still play than playing in a real full time starting role and jeopardizing himself again. Again, I think he based his decision upon where there are enough big men to take his position should he not be able to do his part. Miami sans Shaq would put Zo in the starting role, I'm not sure he wanted that.

Anyways, that's what I think, maybe he would've gone, maybe not. No way to know now.

[boconcio]

boconcio, don't make the Jordan comparison, please, Wade has a similar game to him at a young age, but don't even make a talent comparison there, please.

sure i can make a talent comparison.... wade doesn't have the skills jordan used to have, doesn't have the same vision of the court, but for sure he has a talent comparable to jordan. wade is playing like jordan did in his first years, it doesn't mean he will turn into the best player ever like jordan did, but he has the talent to be the best ever, just like mr 23.

remember, being talented doesn't mean he will get to his full potential.

[boconcio]

zo just knows how we heat fans like him... he is the best player in the team history, what else can be said?

[cyanide]

Wade had an awesome game, big props to him for bouncing back But they won by only a few points. If Detroit can shut down Wade again next game, then Miami could be in trouble (unless Wade bounces back again, and vice versa).