Chicago Bulls Thread

[SoF'nAwesome]

RIP--IP?

[Barwis]

I think that when D-Rose will return he will be just another average player. Both knees injured, he will never be able to come back to his old self. So sad.

[erudain]

Yup....out for the season

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-ros ... rgery.html

Time for Gar/Pax to make some moves, trade Deng for a salad or something, I would also try to see what we can get for Taj.

I would try to avoid playoffs at all cost.
Last season Bulls were prepared for facing a whole season without Derrick both mentally and with the players on the roster, we had Nate and Marco, both could create their own shots....now we have no one and we are in shock still.

So you get rid of Deng for whatever asset you can get, whether it's a late pick or whatever, the cap relief is really the best thing. That trade right there could put the Bulls into the 30 win region. You let Butler heal perfectly. You try to trade Noah and if you can't, you reduce his minutes. Kirk will probably get injured at some point like last season.
You are now with a lineup of Kirk, Dunleavy, Jimmy, Boozer, Noah, Nazr, Teague, Snell, Murphy, James. That's horrible...take Boozer out and there's no offense.

That could get us a 7th or 8th pick which could be Embiid or Exum or Smart, and perhaps you are 1,7% lucky again and hit the jackpot or the Bocats make the playoffs and you also get a 11-15th pick....and you also be keeping Noah, Butler, Rose, you have money to bring Mirotic over, and they rookies would have played and made mistakes all this season long.

[Valor]

So apparently they saw enough to go for the complete repair....there goes another season. Really feel bad for the guy, he puts the city on his back and tries his best to win every single game, gets injured and blasted for a year then comes back and gets injured again?

I think that when D-Rose will return he will be just another average player. Both knees injured, he will never be able to come back to his old self. So sad.

He's 25, not 35. It's also not degenerative knees like Bynum or bone-on-bone like Brandon Roy. He'll be back as good as ever, but he's got to get completely healthy, physically AND mentally.

[NovU]

Yup....out for the season

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-ros ... rgery.html

Time for Gar/Pax to make some moves, trade Deng for a salad or something, I would also try to see what we can get for Taj.

I would try to avoid playoffs at all cost.
Last season Bulls were prepared for facing a whole season without Derrick both mentally and with the players on the roster, we had Nate and Marco, both could create their own shots....now we have no one and we are in shock still.

So you get rid of Deng for whatever asset you can get, whether it's a late pick or whatever, the cap relief is really the best thing. That trade right there could put the Bulls into the 30 win region. You let Butler heal perfectly. You try to trade Noah and if you can't, you reduce his minutes. Kirk will probably get injured at some point like last season.
You are now with a lineup of Kirk, Dunleavy, Jimmy, Boozer, Noah, Nazr, Teague, Snell, Murphy, James. That's horrible...take Boozer out and there's no offense.

That could get us a 7th or 8th pick which could be Embiid or Exum or Smart, and perhaps you are 1,7% lucky again and hit the jackpot or the Bocats make the playoffs and you also get a 11-15th pick....and you also be keeping Noah, Butler, Rose, you have money to bring Mirotic over, and they rookies would have played and made mistakes all this season long.

Haha. That'd be nice for the Bulls. It's still very early in the season, they can aim top 10 pick if they really tried I guess.

[Barwis]

He's 25, not 35. It's also not degenerative knees like Bynum or bone-on-bone like Brandon Roy. He'll be back as good as ever, but he's got to get completely healthy, physically AND mentally.

No offense but as he came back "110% healthy" this season he was averaging 3RPG 4APG and 16PPG with like 35%FG and 3.5 turnovers so another season ending injury sadly won't help him

[Moz]

I reckon this whole sit-out the rest of the season thing is a management decision (tanking?)... Rose should consult those Germans that fixed Kobe's knees maybe they have a better technique/approach on how to solve his knee problems... again getting a new training staff is a must... this team is one of the league's youngest yet the most injured for quite some time now...

[benji]

At least we can finally stop having the "wait a moment and go for the title"/"it's over, blow it up" debate. It's definitely one now.

[Moz]

Oh well... let the "We want Jabari Parker" campaign begin....

[Andrew]

He's 25, not 35. It's also not degenerative knees like Bynum or bone-on-bone like Brandon Roy. He'll be back as good as ever, but he's got to get completely healthy, physically AND mentally.

No offense but as he came back "110% healthy" this season he was averaging 3RPG 4APG and 16PPG with like 35%FG and 3.5 turnovers so another season ending injury sadly won't help him

His performance and timing were not up to par, he was certainly rusty. As far as his health was concerned though, his quickness and explosiveness...that was all there. It's a long road back, but I'm not about to write him off so soon, especially when he's expected to make a full recovery from an injury that isn't as severe as the previous one.

[Valor]

He's 25, not 35. It's also not degenerative knees like Bynum or bone-on-bone like Brandon Roy. He'll be back as good as ever, but he's got to get completely healthy, physically AND mentally.

No offense but as he came back "110% healthy" this season he was averaging 3RPG 4APG and 16PPG with like 35%FG and 3.5 turnovers so another season ending injury sadly won't help him

His performance and timing were not up to par, he was certainly rusty. As far as his health was concerned though, his quickness and explosiveness...that was all there. It's a long road back, but I'm not about to write him off so soon, especially when he's expected to make a full recovery from an injury that isn't as severe as the previous one.

Yep, he was exploding to the basket as usual, just not finishing/getting the whistles. Meniscus tears don't effect long term health that much, just look at Westbrook, and his one was the lateral meniscus tear, the more severe one.

[erudain]

That was cute, we barely scored 80 points, against the Jazz, in a game that went to overtime....

That's why we were saying yesterday that last year team was ready to face a whole season without Derrick, both mentally and with the roster we had....this team is not.

[NovU]

Yeah... I was kinda disappointed with Tony Snell. And ofc Kirk Hinrich.

[Andrew]

So...about that Wiggins fellow...

[Valor]

So...about that Wiggins fellow...

I have a feeling he's more hype than substance....

[Martti.]

Hometown kid Parker would be nice.

[Moz]

I have a feeling he's more hype than substance....

Hometown kid Parker would be nice.

I'm also not into the Wiggins bandwagon... I reckon Parker is a better playmaker, penetrator, and shot creator than him...

Anyway, they say that the Bulls can use their Disabled Player Exception since Derrick is ruled out for the season... I have a feeling that like the trade exception they got from that Korver trade they're not gonna use it... "if" ever they use it, it should be along with their trade bait

[erudain]

I've heard lots of things from Wiggins, from that "he'll be the next Lebron" to "he'll be the next Pippen".

I would also prefer Jabari, keep the kid in town, finally get a SG since we haven't had one since Ben Gordon got greedy, and move JB to SF where he feels more comfortable playing

[Andrew]

Mind you, considering there are only three teams in the East right now with winning records, the Playoffs could very easily be within reach, putting them out of the top prospect sweepstakes no matter how much they struggle.

[Moz]

Nice game from Taj and a little contribution by Tony Snell though I still think the NBA is too big for him... I'm in shock that the Bulls are third in the East despite the .500 record and also the Bobcats are at 7th (although they had the same fluke earlier last year).

[erudain]

Solid win, that's why we were saying yesterday no way you can get a top 5 draft pick, the east sucks so hard.

- Deng is trying to show he deserves the money he is asking for, good for him, keep that kind of performance and we'll have an easier time shopping you.
- Snell showing he can play and why he was a 20th pick and why he received kudos from players like Kawhi Leonard. Taj went back to the shooting he showed in the preseason.
- Noah arrived late to the stadium, I-94 must've been packed, Carlos never did, he went home for Thanksgiving.
- Thibs must be lighting candles, praying to all known gods either religious or from the fantasy world asking for Kirk not to get injured....imagine Teague running this team 20+ games.
- Lots of minutes agains for starters, we must trade Deng, but you cannot trade him injured.

Well, of to the next one we go.
Enjoy your holiday those of you in the US.

[Valor]

keep that kind of performance and we'll have an easier time shopping you.
we must trade Deng, but you cannot trade him injured.

Please do intrigue me as to why Deng (like Booze) is being booted out of town? Everybody's saying "oh lets go for a superstar in the free agent market to complement Rose", has it occurred that Deng is a very good #2? One of the best perimeter defenders, a very good rebounder at the SF position, good passer, and gives you around 15-18ppg. Who on earth is out there that's better or as good and will sign with Chicago? Giving up Deng for guys like Rudy Gay isn't really going to help propel this team to anywhere but mediocrity for years to come. Lay off the guy already

[benji]

Deng and Boozer are overpaid for their production. Both are on the wrong side of 28. You deal Deng now while he has value, in a year if they resign him to what he wants that's dumb and you can't deal him as easily. So you either deal him now or let him go this offseason.

Of course not for Gay because he's an even worse #3/4 and even more overpaid.

[erudain]

Because he is overpaid, it's the same problem with Boozer, I have nothing against them, they are both great players and teammates for all the guys say, but neither of them is a max contract type of guy.
Hell, If Booz had a lower contract I asure you 75% of the complains he had from fans last 3 years wouldnt exist.

Now onto Deng, he or his agent hasn't made any indication that they'll take a discount to keep playing here.

If you can get him to resign at lets say 7m-9m per year...by all means, go for it and keep him here. Everyone would be glad if he stood like that (you know...like what Duncan and Ginobili do all the time, take less money so the team can improve).

But, for what was leaked from the meeting earlir this year: If he want's the same contract he has now, or higher, like the one Iguodala got from the Warrios, the Bulls would be morons to give it to him, not only they'd overpaying him, they'll be jeopardizing all their future cap.... then even if you amnestied Boozer you'd have little money to: bring Mirotic over (you need a new PF), extend Jimmy, maybe extend Kirk with a veteran min., Nazr isn't getting any younger so you need another C, etc.

If you cannot get him to accept a discount what are our options then? let him walk for nothing like we did with Asik? or trade him for whatever you can get...even a low 1st round pick is something compared to a guy walking away for nothing.

[Andrew]

You've also got to make a decision on Deng sooner rather than later. He's not quite good enough to justify his current deal or the new one he's after, but at the same time he's too good to let go for nothing. Perhaps he'll agree to a sign-and-trade if he chooses to leave this offseason, but at that point I can't imagine they'll get a great deal in return and he's obviously under no obligation to accommodate the Bulls in that respect.