2013 NBA Finals: San Antonio Spurs (2) vs Miami Heat (1)

[SoF'nAwesome]

This thread is still going? Seriously...

[shadowgrin]

lol at LeBron posting a video in instagram addressing his haters.
For someone who said that he doesn't care and mind the haters at all he sure does a good job of not caring for it by not posting a video addressing them...oh wait...what an attention whore...

[NovU]

IMVHFO(though I'm not one to judge) I don't think LBJ is a bad guy but he does come off little as a self absorbed douche when it comes to handling things with his critiques and haters(generally media). Perhaps complex issues. But I think he'll come around. Being young and praised all the time might got to his head a little bit. A lot of young people have that attitude the world revolves around them these days anyways. And he's probably alltime worst at saying right things for a superstar of his caliber. Whenever he goes up against goat Doris Burke, he always comes up short. Bosh and Wade deal with the press much better, saying the right things, flying under the hateradar. The heck, Javale McGee's a lot less off putting than LBJ.

[hova-]

Yeah but in a way this is how people are going to hate you. One thing is: being one of the best out there. People will hate you because of that. But the next thing is, being a douche in public (maybe he is the most humble guy privately, who knows?)

When it comes to character a little fanboy like me always comes to a player like Dirk. Best character - humble, grounded and still a fighter and competitor. No big words, only praise for the competition and always self-criticism. That's when he is talking to the media. Maybe at home Dirk says "I'm the fucking greatest guy out there", but then again, nobody will ever know.

Maybe you are right and it comes from the fact that LeBron was praised for all of his basketball life which can cause someone to lose ground a bit. Dirk for instance had to fight to get his feet set into this league.

I think it is also very tough for LeBron that everybody thinks he is the "chosen one" and has these "gifts" whilst players like MJ and Kobe for example (and also other players) are always praised for their passion and work ethic and being basketball monsters who only think about basketball 24/7. I guess LeBron also has put and is still investing a lot of work into his game but everybody thinks he just has the talent to be one of the best.

[shadowgrin]

Hard for people to disassociate you from being the Chosen One when people have seen it tattooed across your body.

Only reason LeBron's even in the NBA is because he's 6'8" 250 lbs. If he's shorter than 6'2" he'd be out of the league by now with that FT percentage.

[RedPhazon8]

lol at LeBron posting a video in instagram addressing his haters.
For someone who said that he doesn't care and mind the haters at all he sure does a good job of not caring for it by not posting a video addressing them...oh wait...what an attention whore...

Seems to be the case for all of Heat Nation, they say they don't care, but then they're talking shit after the team they really had no impact on wins a title.

[NovU]

Me no comprehende stufid hate.

But me likey tis jersey.


Threep(H)eat's coming and no hating's gonna stop what's coming. Heat Nation will continue to thrive and prosper.

[JaoSming]

[RedPhazon8]

Me no comprehende stufid hate.

But me likey tis jersey.


Threep(H)eat's coming and no hating's gonna stop what's coming. Heat Nation will continue to thrive and prosper.

Why do you keep coming back with Chicago themed pictures, I didn't know this forum was a heavy Bulls fan...

[MJALLDAY]

I'm a Bulls fan and i don't really give a fuck. Heat nation consists of corny front running fags like Justin Bieber. We move on in Chicago. I'm into the White Sox and Blackhawks now with my beloved Bears a couple of month away.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Damn, he got me at Bieber. Fuck...

As for LeBron is in it for his height, I can't use words to explain my reaction to that. Sometimes, you are just left speechless.

[Jackal]

You should be left speechless more often. It would be a favor to the world.

[shadowgrin]

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[NovU]

I honestly thought we'd get to talk at least a lit about Spurs but LoL. Whateva.

Yeah but in a way this is how people are going to hate you. One thing is: being one of the best out there. People will hate you because of that. But the next thing is, being a douche in public (maybe he is the most humble guy privately, who knows?)

When it comes to character a little fanboy like me always comes to a player like Dirk. Best character - humble, grounded and still a fighter and competitor. No big words, only praise for the competition and always self-criticism. That's when he is talking to the media. Maybe at home Dirk says "I'm the fucking greatest guy out there", but then again, nobody will ever know.

Maybe you are right and it comes from the fact that LeBron was praised for all of his basketball life which can cause someone to lose ground a bit. Dirk for instance had to fight to get his feet set into this league.

I think it is also very tough for LeBron that everybody thinks he is the "chosen one" and has these "gifts" whilst players like MJ and Kobe for example (and also other players) are always praised for their passion and work ethic and being basketball monsters who only think about basketball 24/7. I guess LeBron also has put and is still investing a lot of work into his game but everybody thinks he just has the talent to be one of the best.

Yep. Those are pretty much the base reasons why people hate him with so much passion. And he's just not that bright with dealing with entire thing. Says so much goofy things that get on people's nerves. He ain't no Dirk for sure, who's definitely more humble and smarter.

But I just don't think he's that much of a-hole or a bum people make out to be, as a person. He's from inner city, no father around, mother has drug issues, kid thrives on the court and goes to NBA right out of high school with crazy hype. Gets picked number one by the team/city just a few miles from where he grew up. Turns the 15 wins team into a contender and never asks for a trade but does leave(with some drama) after his second contract is up. Goes to a team where he'd be called a "Robin" but for a team that he'd be able to finally compete with real chances. He finally achieved his goals and what does he do? Marry his long time girlfriend from which he has 2 kids with.

Yet we constantly hear things like 'no ring, choker, cheater, Robin, no-skill, LeBastard, etc', as if he's some sort of devil that everybody has to hunt down together to a point his legacy rightfully is deteriorated. Like everybody can't find one good thing to say about him.

[SoF'nAwesome]

NovU, homie you seriously explaining LeBron to people? Haters always gonna bitch, you know that.

You should be left speechless more often. It would be a favor to the world.

Said a Lamers fan to a Heat fan, understandable and part sad. #OhSnap

[Sauru]

all i know is the best of the best never run off and join other players, they have others join them. it was hard for lebron to win so he just bolted to an easy situation. thats not over coming anything. thats not cementing your legacy. thats taking the easy road cause you cant handle the pressure

[benji]

all i know is the best of the best never run off and join other players, they have others join them. it was hard for lebron to win so he just bolted to an easy situation. thats not over coming anything. thats not cementing your legacy. thats taking the easy road cause you cant handle the pressure

Exactly why KG doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and that 2008 title has an asterisk.

[SoF'nAwesome]

It's Cleveland for fuck's sake. Not everybody is blessed to be in Chicago or Los Angeles. At the end of the day, a player is playing in the NBA to get that ring and you can't blame him for trying to do that. Would Jordan dominated if he was solo in a team like Cleveland? Would he have gotten Pippen to join? You can't blame a man for trying to win.

[hova-]

Sauru got owned.

As much as I praise those one-team-superstars with a ring (Dirk fanboy again - but also retired players like MJ [Wizards aint counting], Bird, Magic, Isaiah etc), they are rare and that's not because of themselves but rather because of the disability of their franchise to put together the right pieces around them.

Cleveland is the perfect example. Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison as Nr.2 and Nr.3 option? Kobe might have laughed his ass off with Gasol and Bynum winning him two titles.
Looking at the champions of the last few years before Miami every of those teams had way deeper rosters than the Cavaliers and it seemed like Ferry never could have gotten better.

Then again - if LeBron would just have stayed composed, maybe hate the front office, get them fired and finally get the help he needed, he would now be a fan-favorite. Win it all with the Cavs? Hell, that would be an achievement.

Being the one who joins the other one's team (in this case Wade's) will always bring you hate. And actually, LeBron is the better player, has achieved more individually, but in my eyes, the Heat will be Wade's Heat until he retires (which is hopefully soon, as I already mentioned above).

It's Cleveland for fuck's sake. Not everybody is blessed to be in Chicago or Los Angeles. At the end of the day, a player is playing in the NBA to get that ring and you can't blame him for trying to do that. Would Jordan dominated if he was solo in a team like Cleveland? Would he have gotten Pippen to join? You can't blame a man for trying to win.

I don't know, but maybe we are too young to really valuate that. The Bulls did not have much success before MJ arrived. Chicago is the bigger city, bigger market, but the Bulls were not the brand they are now and Jordan just made them that.

Why get Pippen to join? Pippen was one of the best draft picks ever made (5th pick, not thaaaat high).

[Sauru]

It's Cleveland for fuck's sake. Not everybody is blessed to be in Chicago or Los Angeles. At the end of the day, a player is playing in the NBA to get that ring and you can't blame him for trying to do that. Would Jordan dominated if he was solo in a team like Cleveland? Would he have gotten Pippen to join? You can't blame a man for trying to win.

if jordan was on cleveland back then he still wins a ring and no one would talk about the bulls like they were anything special. if not for the bulls no one would give 2 shits about chicago sports anyway. the only reason chicago is relative is because of jordan. lebron could have done the same with Cleveland but instead it was easier for him to leave. just admit to the fact that he took the easy way out. its not like he was old or past his prime. what if jordan bolted from the bulls to join detroit? oh shit i cant beat them so lets join them?

now i will grant that the league is different now. it seems the league wants super teams for some reason. i feel it has watered down basketball and has made it a much less interesting sport. if lebron was in the league when jordan player would he have stayed or bolted? who knows. he was raised to get what he wants right away so his attitude is not really that surprising to me. its one thing to give your career to a team then at the end after you have come so close join someone else for that one last chance(malone, payton, bourque in the nhl, so on) its another to bolt in your prime.

also this "its cleveland" shit needs to be thrown out the damn window. whats the point in having a team in clevelenad if they are looked down on? why not just toss out 20 teams in the league and only let the big cities play?

[NovU]

LoL, Sauru you are such a spoiled 80's geek! And a brat because the legendary Celtics w/ 5 HOFs were big winners. But it's part of reason what spoiled today's gen...

It's just a different era with different mindset toward slavery. Players now days are different because they've adapted to the history gradually. Look how players have been treated. The best teammate award recipient Chauncey Billups has never had a team that wanted to keep him around. The heck PIstons even got rid of him happily though he led the team to a championship over stacked Lamers. Loyalty my ass, it's all business, it always was, and if we aren't stupid enough to realize that already, I'm sure the players have already. NBA might as well stand for "National Business Association". Shaquille is just as awesome historically regardless of him ditching Magic, Lakers, and Heat. He had good(somewhat) reasons to. Same for Kevin Garnett though his team sucked in Minny. Nothing can take away from what they have done as players. The fuck, KG said he should have ditched Timberdogs sooner. Why not? Boston is one heck of a market/team. Same for Lakers. Why not, it's #2 biggest market with millions of cocksucking fans. And look how much the league adored them and not so much for the Spurs, no matter how great Timmy was. Nobody liked, cared, watched them, always low on TV ratings, and not so much stories were sold by media. Also got a lot of shorter end on calls in the game especially against LoLakers. The truth is, the league and people want the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, and Bulls. It's only natural for players for wanting to be them, not against. Players aren't that dumb to realize that some things just come easier for a few blessed teams. Life as a player is just tougher if you aren't one of them. History taught the players that already. Screw talk of 'one team4lyf is good for all of us', because it didn't/doesn't work for a lot of reasons for 90% of players.

[Sauru]

The best teammate award recipient Chauncey Billups has never had a team that wanted to keep him around.

sorry to pick only one line from all of that but the boston fans were not happy to see him go. he was only traded cause we had pitino who is pretty much the most hated man is boston celtics history

[shadowgrin]

lol why would Pippen from the Bulls join Jordan if he was in Cleveland. Pippen would be the main man in Chicago if that's the case and Based on Pip's HoF speech he would be more than happy to be the franchise player.
If Jordan moved to Cleveland as a FA he would be elminating the Bulls from the playoffs year after year (Bulls eliminated the Cavs 5 times in 7 years) and teaming up with Mark Price, Larry Nance, and Brad Daugherty. It's not like those Cleveland teams were weak, those Cavs teams that Jordan and the Bulls eliminated were a 50+ win team when healthy.
So Sauru could be right about Jordan still having ring/s if he was in Cleveland and we'd be talking how Jordan quit on the Bulls because they were losers and be labelled as a quitter like LeBron is now which is a fact.

[Jackal]

Like omg you guys need to respect him for being an individual and Lamer fans are stoopid okay! Lebron > Jordon! #heatnation#miamidynasty#hashtags#have#no#fucking#use#for#on#a#forum#but#im#dumb#and#conform#to#social#standards#set#by#teen#bitches#like#justin#bieber#who#is#part#of#heat#nation#respect#i'll#oh#snap#for#myself#cuz#mommy#says#i'm#cool#!

[benji]

now i will grant that the league is different now. it seems the league wants super teams for some reason.

lol wtf the 80's Celtics and Lakers weren't super teams? The six-time Bulls weren't as much a "super team" as Miami is currently? The 1983 Sixers weren't a super team?