2012 Conf. Semis: (4) Celtics vs. (8) 76ers

Didn't know the new CBA doesn't allow sign-and-trades.

It does, Shadow's a dope.

And ugly to boot.

Those same teams were good enough for him to win up to 50 games in the regular season and you wouldn't expect a 5th or 6th seed to go down that easily. Plus, in two of those three sweeps Gasol's production went way down from what he did in the regular season.

Nope, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5th or 6th seed go down easily. It's not like they're the top 4 teams.
Production would go down if the defense is concentrated on you and you're the only one that can carry the team.
Also Mike Fratello. His offense is just eye rape. With the Bobcats you know that they suck, with Fratello it's like cutting off the legs of his players.

Odom at least was able to maintain a good part of his efficiency in the playoffs even when the Lakers sucked (2006, 2007).

I'm talking about the current Odom. The one that sulked because he was almost traded in that Chris Paul deal so Odom asked to be traded. He got his wish and was traded but sulked again because he got traded away from the blessed light of Kobe.
At least Gasol tried to make it work even though that aborted trade affected him. Too bad his coach is Mike Brown.

With nobody to fill the gap on defense from losing Iguodala, which means taking away the team's biggest strength and ultimately making them far worse, because Gasol won't improve the offense as much as Iguodala improves defense.

I'll take a chance with a terrible Gasol's .165 WS/48 over a great Iguodala's .158 WS/48.

So... every trade rumor popping up is sensible and the deal would be worth it? Would you have traded Iguodala for Monta Ellis as well?

I wouldn't mind that Gasol for Iggy trade rumor.

So expressing my opinion on why I think it is sensible and a worthy deal if the rumor prove true is not allowed?
Might as well tell the entire forums then not to post game results predictions about the playoffs and halting discussion about the possible future of the teams they support.
It's not like I'm passing off Bleacher Report articles in every posts and telling people that it's the gospel or the way Lakers fans still dreaming that they can get Dwight Howard.
As for Monta Ellis he's a terrible version of Iverson. Don't want.

Didn't know the new CBA doesn't allow sign-and-trades. Still, Brand's contract and/or picks (such as the totally awesome 2nd rounders we were able to get for Speights) remain decent trade assets, I'm not convinced at all about the need to trade Iggy.

What that transvestite lolicon bass-playing benji said. I got confused regarding the extend and trade with the sign and trade.

So you're saying that Collins is to blame for the team relying so heavily on mid-range jumpshots and then add the he uses this system because he doesn't have the personnel to play anything else on offense.

Nope, wasn't blaming Collins. I thought you were.

Then perhaps we shouldn't rely on mid-range jumpshots anymore?... oh wait, if we trade Iggy for Gasol, I guess we start Thad at the 3. He made 1 three-point shot this season, so we end up with a grand total of 1 player in our s5 with 3-point range (Jrue), which means if we try to go inside we'll get clusterfucked by the opposing defense because there's nobody waiting outside who could punish them. And we have to shoot from mid-range... or we can always go back to starting Meeks and playing him 30 minutes because we desperately need someone to help with the spacing. Sounds good? yeah, thought so.

Everybody knows mid-range is the least efficient shot in basketball. It's taken from pretty long distance, but counted exactly the same as a point-blank layup. Shooting so much of those is probably a big part of the reason why this season there were only 10 teams worse on offense than the Sixers. And if you know the Sixers are only good for mid-range jumpers, doesn't it get a lot easier to guard that area when they can't hurt you from anywhere else? Iguodala actually became a good 3-point shooter this season, making 39% while taking over three a game.

What's your point? That guarding the mid-range area would be easier for Sixers opponents?
That's why their offense is below average.
That's why having a low post option is better instead of relying on too much jumpshots.
That's why I think having Gasol's reliable scoring from the post that appeared in the last 8 consecutive seasons in his career is much better than Iguodala's three point shooting that only appeared in 2 seasons of his career.

Well, nobody can completely shut them down of course but some teams at least have somebody to make their life more difficult. If it wasn't for Rose going down, the Bulls would have been in the ECF with Brewer and Deng. Even the Sixers have Turner and Iguodala. And I bet LeBron still remembers Shawn Marion from the last finals. Who do the Celtics have? Allen was even getting owned by the Sixers and Pierce moves with an agility of a 50-year old. Perhaps they'll give Pietrus more minutes, but even so, they have to count on Garnett's help more than anything. And, of course, they also have Sasha Pavlovic...

But the Heart of a Champion! THE HEART OF A CHAMPEEEEEEN!
lol at Pierce, he's been playing like that in his entire career. That's what makes him deadly.

Where do the Celtics take most of their shots from then?

The Celtics have two good scorers that are also excellent shooting the three-pointer, which is one of the Heat's weakness.
Paul Pierce and (healthy) Ray Allen are definitely better three-point shooters than any one in the Sixers roster.

The Celtics have a D-League bench and the 4th worst offense in the NBA.

The Celtics go-to scorers are still better than the Sixers scorers so the Celtics offense can be counted on some games compared to the Sixers where it would be lucky for their offense to even appear the whole 48 minutes.

Nope, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5th or 6th seed go down easily. It's not like they're the top 4 teams.
Production would go down if the defense is concentrated on you and you're the only one that can carry the team.
Also Mike Fratello. His offense is just eye rape. With the Bobcats you know that they suck, with Fratello it's like cutting off the legs of his players.

But maybe not that easily? Gasol failed to step up and be as good as he was in the regular season each year. Come on, I'm not expecting a miracle. We're talking about the all-time longest streak (until this year) of losses in the playoffs, they couldn't get a single win.

I'm talking about the current Odom. The one that sulked because he was almost traded in that Chris Paul deal so Odom asked to be traded. He got his wish and was traded but sulked again because he got traded away from the blessed light of Kobe.

He's had some personal problems, but I agree that it can't be an excuse for completely forgetting how to play basketball after playing at a near All-Star level the season before. That's an entirely different level, yeah.

I'll take a chance with a terrible Gasol's .165 WS/48 over a great Iguodala's .158 WS/48.

Isn't it a bit easier to have that higher when you're on a better team? Besides, that's a .007 difference, could that have a real impact even if he maintains that level? And I was talking about the fit here. I've already quoted the stats proving that without Iguodala our DRtg plummets. Can Gasol make up for that with his offense on a team with no spacing?

So expressing my opinion on why I think it is sensible and a worthy deal if the rumor prove true is not allowed?
Might as well tell the entire forums then not to post game results predictions about the playoffs and halting discussion about the possible future of the teams they support.
It's not like I'm passing off Bleacher Report articles in every posts and telling people that it's the gospel or the way Lakers fans still dreaming that they can get Dwight Howard.

Hmm... okay, might have slightly misunderstood you. Forget it.

As for Monta Ellis he's a terrible version of Iverson. Don't want.

My thoughts exactly, a very poor man's Iverson.

What that transvestite lolicon bass-playing benji said. I got confused regarding the extend and trade with the sign and trade.

Then what I said stands. We have valuable trade assets, losing which won't hurt us nearly as much as losing Iguodala.

What's your point? That guarding the mid-range area would be easier for Sixers opponents?
That's why their offense is below average.
That's why having a low post option is better instead of relying on too much jumpshots.

Sure thing. Only when there's no spacing, what happens to that low post option? It gets double-teamed because the other team is not worried about outside shooting. We saw that in the Celtics - Sixers series, for example. When Philly finally realised Garnett was destroying them, they were using Rondo's defender (Turner, most of the time) to double Garnett or Pierce. With pretty good results, except for the last 4 minutes of the series. That was happening also in the Lakers - Nuggets series - doubling Gasol and Bynum all day, because they have no shooters (despite somewhat having them on paper, which Philly doesn't even have). That was the cause of their mysterious disappearance in the second part of the series.

That's why I think having Gasol's reliable scoring from the post that appeared in the last 8 consecutive seasons in his career is much better than Iguodala's three point shooting that only appeared in 2 seasons of his career.

But it's been there for so long that it will start to fade away shortly, despite Gasol's game not being based on athleticism much.

But the Heart of a Champion! THE HEART OF A CHAMPEEEEEEN!

I know. That's also the reason why the Sixers were supposed to get swept or at the very most take one game at home. It's the mighty Celtics! THEY WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP 4 YEARS AGO!

lol at Pierce, he's been playing like that in his entire career. That's what makes him deadly.

Yeah, but he seems even slower to me now. Might be just my impression, though.

The Celtics have two good scorers that are also excellent shooting the three-pointer, which is one of the Heat's weakness.
Paul Pierce and (healthy) Ray Allen are definitely better three-point shooters than any one in the Sixers roster.

Healthy is what Allen is not at the moment, which makes him hardly a threat on offense and a non-factor on defense.
Anyway, that's not what I asked about. The Celtics are a jumpshooting team, probably even more that the Sixers.

The Celtics go-to scorers are still better than the Sixers scorers so the Celtics offense can be counted on some games compared to the Sixers where it would be lucky for their offense to even appear the whole 48 minutes.

Yet it rarely does. Their go-to scorers can easily be limited by doubling off of Rondo. Do that and you'll be just fine unless you're really badly out of luck and he suddenly starts making threes.

for having another Sixers fan in the forums since sexy Drex was gone and Cartar being eaten by bears.

Isn't it a bit easier to have that higher when you're on a better team?

Kevin Love and Greg Monroe disagree.

The Celtics are a jumpshooting team, probably even more that the Sixers.

10-15 feet: Sixers 1st, Celtics 5th
16-23 feet: Sixers 2nd, Celtics 3rd, lol at Bobcats being 1st

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx

10-15 feet: Sixers 1st, Celtics 5th
16-23 feet: Sixers 2nd, Celtics 3rd, lol at Bobcats being 1st

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx

Even so, minimal differences which proves the Celtics take a lot of jumpshots.

for having another Sixers fan in the forums since sexy Drex was gone and Cartar being eaten by bears.

There were quite a few of us during the Iverson era but apparently not many stuck around after December 2006. I wouldn't have another team to root for anyway, so might as well keep supporting the Sixers even though they're seemingly forever mediocre now.