The Spurs are 2007 champs!(much more inside)

I don’t really understand why people keeps whining about Verojao or Manu’s flopping. I know there are bunch of guys who just don’t want to see Cavs got into the Finals, of coz, Pistons’ fans, besides, those who hate LeBron for whatever reasons.

But trust me, there is no need to hate Verojao.

You must admit, “flopping” requires quick reaction, exact footwork and the insight of how offensive player is going to attack, and flopping also means a fifty-fifty to get a call for defensive foul.

Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest defender at his position, no doubt, also a very good flopper. But he’s so good at everything that people can forget his flopping and focus on his dunk, 3-pointers and passes.

Verojao plays with hustle and energetic, look around the league, how many players are willing to do what Verojao did for his team to win?

How many players just don’t give a shit about the game?
How many players you can see from their games that they really want their teams to win nowadays?

I think that’s why Spurs and Cavs got into the Finals. Even a blind can tell that some players in Utah and Detroit just don’t give a FXCK.

And please honestly answer this question: Don’t you want a guy like Verojao coming from the bench for your team?

Flopping isn’t Cheating, making someone got hurt is Cheating. Flopping just like everything else on the court, it can be avoid and stopped by smart move.

Sheed just got owned mentally. I mean, Com’on, MAN! You’ve played in NBA for over 10 years, you and your team are known for experienced and sophisticated, and you’re whining about referees got blinded by someone’s acting? You should have get over it!

No one’s gonna remember is it true that Wade, Verojao and Manu got fouled when they flop, the only thing we’ll remember is that Wade and Manu led Heat and Spurs won the Championships, and Cavs got into the Finals. Sheed once again showed he can’t control his temper when it matters the most, and he will always be remembered this way.

I don’t mean to offend Piston’s fans, but your team really did a bad job overally in the ECF, don’t blame Verojao’s flopping, that’s just one of the smallest issues.

Verojao is a good NBA player, and Cavs is a good team, unlike we expected, they don’t rely on one man show. If you just don’t like them, don’t watch the Finals or go boost for Spurs.

From what I saw at this point, the new age is coming, Bowen can’t guard James, Duncan will get into foul troble a lot, and can’t make the majority of his freethrows, as long as Cavs’ shoot the ball well, Cavs in 6.

lol, that was funny. Flopping may be "smart" I guess, but it is weak as hell. The offensive player has every right to be upset if they get called for a foul on a flop by the defensive player, however I do love the classy men who just take it and let it go. Anyway, my point is that flopping, while it may be a way to get your team into the game, really isn't in the spirit of the game, its just weak...

I don’t really understand why people keeps whining about Verojao or Manu’s flopping. I know there are bunch of guys who just don’t want to see Cavs got into the Finals, of coz, Pistons’ fans, besides, those who hate LeBron for whatever reasons.

But trust me, there is no need to hate Verojao.

You must admit, “flopping” requires quick reaction, exact footwork and the insight of how offensive player is going to attack, and flopping also means a fifty-fifty to get a call for defensive foul.

Scottie Pippen, one of the greatest defender at his position, no doubt, also a very good flopper. But he’s so good at everything that people can forget his flopping and focus on his dunk, 3-pointers and passes.

Verojao plays with hustle and energetic, look around the league, how many players are willing to do what Verojao did for his team to win?

How many players just don’t give a shit about the game?
How many players you can see from their games that they really want their teams to win nowadays?

I think that’s why Spurs and Cavs got into the Finals. Even a blind can tell that some players in Utah and Detroit just don’t give a FXCK.

And please honestly answer this question: Don’t you want a guy like Verojao coming from the bench for your team?

Flopping isn’t Cheating, making someone got hurt is Cheating. Flopping just like everything else on the court, it can be avoid and stopped by smart move.

Sheed just got owned mentally. I mean, Com’on, MAN! You’ve played in NBA for over 10 years, you and your team are known for experienced and sophisticated, and you’re whining about referees got blinded by someone’s acting? You should have get over it!

No one’s gonna remember is it true that Wade, Verojao and Manu got fouled when they flop, the only thing we’ll remember is that Wade and Manu led Heat and Spurs won the Championships, and Cavs got into the Finals. Sheed once again showed he can’t control his temper when it matters the most, and he will always be remembered this way.

I don’t mean to offend Piston’s fans, but your team really did a bad job overally in the ECF, don’t blame Verojao’s flopping, that’s just one of the smallest issues.

Verojao is a good NBA player, and Cavs is a good team, unlike we expected, they don’t rely on one man show. If you just don’t like them, don’t watch the Finals or go boost for Spurs.

From what I saw at this point, the new age is coming, Bowen can’t guard James, Duncan will get into foul troble a lot, and can’t make the majority of his freethrows, as long as Cavs’ shoot the ball well, Cavs in 6.

lol, that was funny. Flopping may be "smart" I guess, but it is weak as hell. The offensive player has every right to be upset if they get called for a foul on a flop by the defensive player, however I do love the classy men who just take it and let it go. Anyway, my point is that flopping, while it may be a way to get your team into the game, really isn't in the spirit of the game, its just weak...

I don't understand your argument.. why is it weak?
Is it weak that guys like Reggie and MJ to pump fake their defenders up and slightly leaning in to get a call to go to the line?

I mean it is somewhat similar... To "flop" u must be in position and predict your opposing player's movement. Letting your body take a big hit.

To draw yourself to the line you have to know where your defense is, and throw your body into them to get a call.

Basketball is a non contact sport.. a defender should be able to stand its ground and not be "moved".. flopping is just exaggerating the fact that the offensive player is committing a foul.

I don't think they are over doing it... And i mean.. it isn't called everytime, you are putting yourself at risk for leaving your man open after you "fall".. or even letting the Refs have a chance to let the other player go to the foul line...

yes, that is also weak. i hate when players pump fake then jump into the defender and get to the line. its one of those calls i want the nba to tell thier refs to use thier judgement. if the offensive players starts the contact then just go with a no call, and this crap will stop. players only play cheap to abuse the rules and get calls, if these players stop getting the calls they will stop the cheap play.

hmm, is it also weak when it's a loose ball and a player hustles for the ball and seem to go out of bounds then the 'player' make the ball hit another player (opposition), so the opposing player will be called for out of bounds because of last touch?

yes, that is also weak. i hate when players pump fake then jump into the defender and get to the line. its one of those calls i want the nba to tell thier refs to use thier judgement. if the offensive players starts the contact then just go with a no call, and this crap will stop. players only play cheap to abuse the rules and get calls, if these players stop getting the calls they will stop the cheap play.

if a player jumps vertical with his hands straight up, then a no-call is the right choice, however i believe that if you fake out a player and jump into them then it should be a foul....otherwise the advantage will always be with the D.

I don't understand your argument.. why is it weak?
Is it weak that guys like Reggie and MJ to pump fake their defenders up and slightly leaning in to get a call to go to the line?

I mean it is somewhat similar... To "flop" u must be in position and predict your opposing player's movement. Letting your body take a big hit.

To draw yourself to the line you have to know where your defense is, and throw your body into them to get a call.

Basketball is a non contact sport.. a defender should be able to stand its ground and not be "moved".. flopping is just exaggerating the fact that the offensive player is committing a foul.

I don't think they are over doing it... And i mean.. it isn't called everytime, you are putting yourself at risk for leaving your man open after you "fall".. or even letting the Refs have a chance to let the other player go to the foul line...

I never said drawing an offensive foul was weak. If you have actually positioned yourself and taken a hit, that's a great play! A flop is exactly that, a flop. ie - someone falling over by themself. How is that not weak? Its just a poor excuse of a "physical" play. At least a jumpshooter drawing contact actually has contact, I don't see how they are the same really at all.

yes, that is also weak. i hate when players pump fake then jump into the defender and get to the line. its one of those calls i want the nba to tell thier refs to use thier judgement. if the offensive players starts the contact then just go with a no call, and this crap will stop. players only play cheap to abuse the rules and get calls, if these players stop getting the calls they will stop the cheap play.

if a player jumps vertical with his hands straight up, then a no-call is the right choice, however i believe that if you fake out a player and jump into them then it should be a foul....otherwise the advantage will always be with the D.

thats what i mean, when the defender goes straight up it should be a no call, otherwise all you gotta do is get a guy in the air then jump into him and you go to the line. if the defender is jumping any direction but straight up and down then call the foul on the defense.

Every time a defender, who tries to contest or block a shot, more or less he will lean his body toward the shooter. And most of the time, the “pump fake and leaning” foul works because defender is guarding too close to the ball handler, usually very good shooters, for example: Richard Hamilton (He is the master of drawing this foul.)

So it’s extremely hard for referees to judge whether there is a foul or not, especially with the unclear angle and eyesight on the court.

Basically, a defender takes off because he got deceived by the pump fake, so freethrows are rewarded to the successful offense.

The same reason goes to flopping, referees are not stupid, they won’t blow the whistle when “someone falling over by themselves”, there will always be some contact between the players. Referees can’t watch the replay over and over again on the TV like us, the judgment must be made quick, so they goes by experimentalism, by the legal precedents of NBA.

These things always give you reasons to complain about the player you hate or the should-have-won games that your team didn’t get. But these things won’t change for someone’s personal opinion, and you must deal with that because they will happen a lot in the game for many years to come, unless you don’t want to watch NBA anymore.

Flopping isn’t weak in objective aspect, that’s why there is a “take charge” button in NBA Live. Flopping is only weak when the player’s hairstyle bothers you or his team caused your favor team lose.

Flopping isn’t weak in objective aspect, that’s why there is a “take charge” button in NBA Live. Flopping is only weak when the player’s hairstyle bothers you or his team caused your favor team lose.

lol, that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. I actually like Varejao (or however you spell it) i like his hustle and i also want the cavs to win (so there goes your argument). But falling over when getting "touched" is a weak ass play.

Spurs in 4.

Perhaps Tim Duncan will sprain his ankle or something. Then maybe Spurs in 6.

I'd say Spurs in 5. Cavs will surprise the Spurs in Game 1 or in the first game in Cleveland, but then SA will make the neccesary adjustments and it will be over.

spurs in 4, and this final is fucking boring unless lebron lights it up every game which probably wont happen.

These things always give you reasons to complain about the player you hate or the should-have-won games that your team didn’t get. But these things won’t change for someone’s personal opinion, and you must deal with that because they will happen a lot in the game for many years to come, unless you don’t want to watch NBA anymore.

Flopping isn’t weak in objective aspect, that’s why there is a “take charge” button in NBA Live. Flopping is only weak when the player’s hairstyle bothers you or his team caused your favor team lose.

well i hate flopping and i complain about it constantly yet i have no interest in any of the playoff teams this season. my team now sits with the 5th pick overall so clearly the reasons you just gave are false. i am a fan of basketball and want to watch basketball, not auditions to be in a movie

Yep that's it...let's all underestimate the Cavs....being the underdog going into the detroit series sure helped um. Spurs in four...yay

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and please quote me on this a few weeks from now...

Cavs in six.

I'm gonna say Spurs in 6 games.

Referees in 4. Hey, they've taken alot of shit this year, they deserve a championship.

Whyyyy do I keep hearing Finals and boring in the same sentence? Are you guys even basketball fans or just cheerleaders for your favorite teams/players? We just witnessed the changing of the guard in the east alot sooner than expected. Now the finals will be the latest dynasty versus the next legend in the making. Good offensive and defensive execution doesn't equal boring. This series has alot of potential.

and about flopping: I don't know if this has been said or not but D-wade crashes all over the place during the course of the games, and he attempts more ft than anyone else in the L.(he is respected) Someone made a good point about drawing charges being comparable to the offensive player catching a defender in the air to draw contact. I agree totally, never looked at it that way before.(guess I gotta stop hating Manu now)

and damn, give the kid a break(Lebron haters) he's not going anywhere for a long time, might as well get used to him.

Drawing charges isn't flopping mate. However flopping can draw charges, it is just a pussy's way of doing it.

Hey if you think the spurs are boring then you have a great problem. When did great team play became boring? The problem with ballers right now is that they only praise the highlights (emphatic dunks, sleek passes, and blocks that go 15 rows in to the stands) but teamwork, off the ball movements, boxing out, great team defense and fundamentals are not even noticed even though these are the essences of the game. You need a lecture from Bill Russell (read his playoffs blog on NBA.com and you'll know what I mean). If you don't know him then here are his "tiny" credentials (The anchor of the Boston Celtics juggernaut during the 60's which won "ONLY 11 championships including 8 in a row in his 13 year career").

its too bad they didnt track blocks but in his day cause i think its a record that would never get broken

Whyyyy do I keep hearing Finals and boring in the same sentence? Are you guys even basketball fans or just cheerleaders for your favorite teams/players? We just witnessed the changing of the guard in the east alot sooner than expected. Now the finals will be the latest dynasty versus the next legend in the making. Good offensive and defensive execution doesn't equal boring. This series has alot of potential.

and about flopping: I don't know if this has been said or not but D-wade crashes all over the place during the course of the games, and he attempts more ft than anyone else in the L.(he is respected) Someone made a good point about drawing charges being comparable to the offensive player catching a defender in the air to draw contact. I agree totally, never looked at it that way before.(guess I gotta stop hating Manu now)

and damn, give the kid a break(Lebron haters) he's not going anywhere for a long time, might as well get used to him.

Exactly! When the Pistons and Spurs were projected to be in the NBA finals , people complained that ratings would drop and the series would be "boring" just because a high-octane offense like the Suns was not present. Personally , for me , I enjoy watching basketball regardless of who is playing , whether it be the Trailblazers or the Wizards or the Sixers or whoever. As long as it is a close game , I'll be watching or listening on the radio.

the ratings for last seasons Miami vs Dallas matchup were almost the same as Det vs SAS 05.

lol, that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. I actually like Varejao (or however you spell it) i like his hustle and i also want the cavs to win (so there goes your argument). But falling over when getting "touched" is a weak ass play.

Drawing charges isn't flopping mate. However flopping can draw charges, it is just a pussy's way of doing it.

Ok, I heard that... you got your second Technique Foul, out of the game, Carmo Wallace!

LOL, great come back.......... Good to see you know I'm right.