Bogut-Watch

I'm also not sure why Bogut is being compared to Kwame. They play entirely different styles to begin with, and unfortunately with Bogut stats don't always tell the story.

Anyways he had a fairly average game today, looks like he got into early foul trouble. Apparentely every time Bogut has played under 26 minutes the Bucks have lost. They lost this game and he played 25 minutes. If only he had an extra minute to put up the 12 or so points they needed

If you watched the game, anyone with half a brain would notice that Shaq went to work when Mihm was defending him. But then you know what your talking about right?

I use 9% of my brain so that means I don't use half a brain, sorry for me being stupid.
OMFG Kwame locked-down Shaq in a game. That one game makes him worthy of all the expectations for him and being the #1 draft pick, it also erases the shitty way he's been playing for 4 years.

Jesus Christ Kid. I was talking about his defense

In great AllAhndrew's name, look who's talking about misreading something, have you read the previous posts? I wasn't even calling Kwame a bust..

At least he can back up the shite he's saying not like that other 1st pick bitch, Kwame Brown.

I was talking about how Bogut can "walk the walk" even with such a big-mouth. It was a reference on Bogut's comments during the preseason regarding his opinions on Kobe Bryant, and his comparison with other Australian former NBA players.
I called Kwame a bitch because of the way he used to bitch while on Washington on how the fans didn't like him and all that shit. Even with the Lakers he still bitched about about his playing time with the Wizards and blaming other players for it.
(Unless of course you were literally referring to Bogut's big mouth )

Yeah, Kwame, the guy who got pushed around by Shaq right? Can you give me a link to the lakers-heat boxscore? were you able to watch that game? Stupid Bust needs to learn to defend.

You're the one who called him a Stupid Bust. I called him a (whiny) bitch. I never called him a bust in the previous posts (in this thread anyway )
Damn, reading is fun.

All that effort and i still dont understand why you'd compare Andrew Bogut to GULP Kwame Brown.

They play entirely different styles to begin with

Jae's right, but I compared them just to get my point across which is..

Bogut (who still contributes better numbers than Kwame even when he was coming off the bench)

Only an idiot would compare the #1 pick out of high school to the #1 pick with more thatn enough college experience.

College experience doesn't mean that a player is already good compared to HS players. Because I'm an idiot, I will compare:

1998 Draft
#1 - Michael Olowakandi
#25 - Al Harrington

2002 Draft
#1 - Yao Ming - no (USA) college experience but was already playing international basketball, and as professional in China.
#9 - Amare Stoudemire - not a top pick, no college experience but one of the best players who came out of his draft class (the other is Tayshaun Prince).

2003 Draft
#1 - Lebron James - It's Lebron friggin' James, do I need to elaborate?

Coming out from HS or college, a #1 pick is a #1 pick. Lack of college ball isn't an excuse to play like shite for 4 years in the NBA if you're a #1 pick in the draft. Of course there are other straight from HS NBA players that took at least 5 years to show their true game but those players are not #1 picks as that bitch Kwame is. Kwame is picked #1 for a reason, and if he can't fulfill the expectations of being a #1 pick then I might as well call him a

Stupid Bust

like the other #1 bust picks before him.

I use 9% of my brain so that means I don't use half a brain, sorry for me being stupid.
OMFG Kwame locked-down Shaq in a game. That one game makes him worthy of all the expectations for him and being the #1 draft pick, it also erases the shitty way he's been playing for 4 years.

You suck at sarcasm dude. Oh and thank you for once again proving my point that you know nothing. Kwame has been playing good defense ever since he came back from that injury.

In great AllAhndrew's name, look who's talking about misreading something, have you read the previous posts? I wasn't even calling Kwame a bust..

And i didnt say anything about you calling kwame a bust. you are a genius kid.

I was talking about how Bogut can "walk the walk" even with such a big-mouth. It was a reference on Bogut's comments during the preseason regarding his opinions on Kobe Bryant, and his comparison with other Australian former NBA players.

And you're stating the obvious because?

I called Kwame a bitch because of the way he used to bitch while on Washington on how the fans didn't like him and all that shit. Even with the Lakers he still bitched about about his playing time with the Wizards and blaming other players for it.

He was an NBA player talking about other NBa players. How many NBA games has bogut played when he was running his mouth? Yeah, none.

You're the one who called him a Stupid Bust. I called him a (whiny) bitch. I never called him a bust in the previous posts (in this thread anyway :Very Happy: )
Damn, reading is fun. :Rolling Eyes:

And your point is?

Bogut (who still contributes better numbers than Kwame even when he was coming off the bench)

Yes, you talk about the stats while i was talking about Kwame's defense. Very smart indeed.

College experience doesn't mean that a player is already good compared to HS players. Because I'm an idiot, I will compare:

1998 Draft
#1 - Michael Olowakandi
#25 - Al Harrington

2002 Draft
#1 - Yao Ming - no (USA) college experience but was already playing international basketball, and as professional in China.
#9 - Amare Stoudemire - not a top pick, no college experience but one of the best players who came out of his draft class (the other is Tayshaun Prince).

2003 Draft
#1 - Lebron James - It's Lebron friggin' James, do I need to elaborate?

Coming out from HS or college, a #1 pick is a #1 pick. Lack of college ball isn't an excuse to play like shite for 4 years in the NBA if you're a #1 pick in the draft. Of course there are other straight from HS NBA players that took at least 5 years to show their true game but those players are not #1 picks as that bitch Kwame is. Kwame is picked #1 for a reason, and if he can't fulfill the expectations of being a #1 pick then I might as well call him a

NEWSFLASH: You just proved my point. You were able to point out only 2 HS players that jumped to the NBA and made immediate impact. College players usually have the advantage over HS players. Oh and LOL on using Al Harrington as an example. He did'nt make a big impact in his rookie year.

Oh and dont blame a player for being a number 1 pick, the gm's picked them. Only a stupid mindless idiot would do such a thing.

WARNING: BOGUT DEFENSE BELOW

To be fair he was hardly "running his mouth". He was asked a question and he answered it honestly. Even though I'm a Lakers fan, nothing he said about Kobe was untrue. It's not like he was one of those idiots calling him a rapist and a ball hog.

I know dude. It's just that im a very big Kobe fan.

You suck at sarcasm dude

Tell me about it.

And i didnt say anything about you calling kwame a bust

The misreading statement I was referring to is..

At least he can back up the shite he's saying not like that other 1st pick bitch, Kwame Brown.

Yeah, Kwame, the guy who got pushed around by Shaq right? Can you give me a link to the lakers-heat boxscore? were you able to watch that game? Stupid Bust needs to learn to defend.

I didn't say anything about Kwame being a bad defender, I said he's a (whiny) bitch and yet you reply about his defense and your sarcastic remark about him being a Stupid Bust. I guess you assumed that I was implying Kwame as a bust? Meh..

you are a genius kid.

And your point is?

*read previous statements above*

And you're stating the obvious because?

because *read previous statements above* and ..

you are a genius kid.

Yes, you talk about the stats while i was talking about Kwame's defense.

Then why would you ask for some stats?

Can you give me a link to the lakers-heat boxscore?

Unless you're referring to a different type of "boxscore", you're the one who initially wanted to talk stats.

Very smart indeed.

You just proved my point.

What point? This one?..

compare the #1 pick out of high school to the #1 pick with more thatn enough college experience.

I just did use the only 2 (as you said) HS players that made an immediate impact to show that HS players can be equal with from college players and refute your point, but you just added this one statement recently..

College players usually have the advantage over HS players

Wow, you added a late statement to make yourself appear that your point was proven.

Very smart indeed.

you are a genius kid.

Whoop!

LOL on using Al Harrington as an example. He did'nt make a big impact in his rookie year

The same could be said of KandiMan
Clipps record in his rookie year: 9 W - 41 L (lockout season)

you put way too much effort into that

What effort? Most of it is copy and paste.
The things that I really typed doesn't even amount to a single paragraph on one post.

All that effort and you still make no sense.
Kwame Brown and Andrew Bogut should not even be in the same sentence.

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 Name     Min     FG     3Pt      FT     Off     Reb     Ast     TO     Stl     Blk      PF      Pts
A. Bogut   38     4-8     0-0     3-4     1       6        2      0      0      0        3        11

Not a bad effort against Shaq and co.

look at Shaq "fuck it I'll try and defend someone next time"



I read that the mask affects his peripheral vision, which would sort of explain why his rebounding numbers have gone right down since he started wearing it.

That Bogut's dunk is fully sick.

fuck it I'll try and defend someone next time"

somehow i doubt that Shaq would even be thinking of defending anyone.

All that effort and you still make no sense.
Kwame Brown and Andrew Bogut should not even be in the same sentence.

Try the concept of thinking and understanding sometime. It's good for your health.

That's a great photo for a caption contest. Personally, I think Shaq's saying "Please...you call that a dunk?" And insert Crocodile Dundee reference here. It kind of reminds me of NBA Live actually, the way Shaq's reacting to the dunk and Haslem's just staring into space waiting for someone to collect the ball and inbound.

Alright, I'll try to salvage this post with something slightly more intellectual. So far Bogut's been satisfactory especially with a couple of decent games as of late, I'd hoped his scoring would be higher but that's not going to happen when you have someone like Redd lighting it up the way he has been and the comeback year Ford is having so far. He's not going to get the same touches as he did at Utah but I think it's obvious that he can play at the NBA level.

By recent standards 12-8 wouldn't be bad numbers to have at the end of the year for a big man taken first overall. Hardly off the charts but good solid numbers.

I think its been proven, that if bogut got more shots, he'd probably able to average 20 and 10 for a season.. well I recon he could anyway.. But the team is full of ballhogs.

The team is REALLY perimeter based. From what I've seen/read, with his boxing out he seems to basically give Magloire 5 or so rebounds per game. Bogut could easily take them himself, but he just boxes out his man (and whoever else is in the area... seriously watch him box out, it's awesome) and Magloire takes the ball. He's a bit too tentative on offense and looks to pass before doing anything else. I think that's mainly the fault of the system the Bucks have in place. I don't think he'd want to ruffle any feathers by taking 15 or so shots per game.

That all being said, even though his first season numbers are Olowokandi-ish, they tell like 10% of the story. Someone pointed out that Tim Duncan could have 10 points and 9 rebounds but have a bigger effect on his team than another player having 20/12. I think Bogut's that kind of guy... he's obviously not going to be Tim Duncan, but if the Bucks want to win they need him there plain and simple.

He's a bit too tentative on offense and looks to pass before doing anything else. I think that's mainly the fault of the system the Bucks have in place.

with Bucks/Miami on espn a week or 2 ago, in the first quarter Milwaukee was giving out the extra pass before taking the shot and were playing great. If the whole team could play like you say bogut does, then fantastic, because they would be playing alot better

Yeah, they're a bit too trigger happy. TJ ford is now being called "MeJ" by the fans at RealGM

Yeah, they're a bit too trigger happy. TJ ford is now being called "MeJ"

That horrible shooting percentage! I don't know whether to or

i wouldn't call them too trigger happy. They play to their strengths, which just happens to be Redd & Mo Williams. They just don't have any true inside presence.

The formula is obviously working and i doubt they'll make serious changes. Some dude on ESPN said that Bucks should be considered amongst the East's elite....but they don't have one good defensive starter.

A) They may not have Shaq down low, but the rotation of Magloire, Bogut, Smith, and Gadzuric is better than what most teams fill the 4 and 5 with on a nightly basis. They're hardly starved of capable big men.

B) Don't believe everything you hear on ESPN. (This statement, however, I agree with to a degree.)

C) Bobby Simmons is a good defensive starter. He doesn't put up gaudy steal or block numbers, and he's not Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest, but again, he's a fully capable perimeter defender in the same way that, say, DeShawn Stevenson is. They're 2nd tier defenders, which is better than most of the league.

1. true
2. it was a fan writing in, not an "expert"
3. kinda, but i wouldn't exactly trust him to get the stops when they are necessary.

I don't think a bit more balance in their game would hurt... sure they have good outside shooters, but does that mean it has to be their go-to play on every play. Obviously Bogut and Magloire aren't going to combine for 40 points per night or anything, but it could help their overall game if teams had to contend with more of an inside-outside thing as opposed to 90% outside.