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YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:27 am

This Bogut-Watch thread is still going strong not like that Darko-Watch. :lol:

by **Fenix** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:39 am

shadowgrin wrote:This Bogut-Watch thread is still going strong not like that Darko-Watch.

He's actually playing less than last year. God, he must be pissed off :lol:

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by **J@3** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:27 pm

I noticed that, I think Andrew Bynum is having basically an identical season to Darko statistically.

Anyways Bogut had a good game, 13/3/5 in like 28 minutes. A few Bucks fans gave him game MVP again, although they're very pissed off at the coach. Apparentely at one point, Paul Pierce (with 5 fouls) started playing PF and matched up on Bogut. So Stotts calls a time out and subs Bogut out for Jiri Welsch... very bizarre.

by **joyufat** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:17 pm

Does Stotts have it in for Bogut? I understand if Stotts doesn't want to run the offense through him, but the lack of minutes is what's most questionable. Bogut's slightly foul prone but really not much worse than most other 4's and 5's.

by **SnitchDevil** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:26 pm

The lack of minutes is not questionable. Bogut cant play D.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:30 pm

So is Yao Ming, but Yao still gets his minutes. :roll:

And at this point in the season Yao is relatively a softy compared to Bogut.

by **J@3** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:38 pm

Kobe The Devil wrote:The lack of minutes is not questionable. Bogut cant play D.

That's interesting, according to the Bucks fans at RealGM (i.e, guys who watch every game and know what they're talking about) his D has been fantastic this season. The only players he's struggled against are quick PF's like Frye and Odom. He's playing out of position regardless.

by **Fenix** on Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:57 pm

Jae wrote:
Kobe The Devil wrote:The lack of minutes is not questionable. Bogut cant play D.

That's interesting, according to the Bucks fans at RealGM (i.e, guys who watch every game and know what they're talking about) his D has been fantastic this season. The only players he's struggled against are quick PF's like Frye and Odom. He's playing out of position regardless.

Just for the record - Frye is not by any means a 'quick PF'. He runs the floor great for a big man, but his expected position in the pros was always seen as a bit of a 'tweener' - not big/strong enough to play C and not quick enough to defend quicker PFs. And by quick I mean Amare/Swift/Wilcox/Gooden/Odom quick.

by **Matt** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:47 am

Bogut is active on D but by no means he's been "fantastic".

by **J@3** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:19 am

VanK wrote:
Jae wrote:
Kobe The Devil wrote:The lack of minutes is not questionable. Bogut cant play D.

That's interesting, according to the Bucks fans at RealGM (i.e, guys who watch every game and know what they're talking about) his D has been fantastic this season. The only players he's struggled against are quick PF's like Frye and Odom. He's playing out of position regardless.

Just for the record - Frye is not by any means a 'quick PF'. He runs the floor great for a big man, but his expected position in the pros was always seen as a bit of a 'tweener' - not big/strong enough to play C and not quick enough to defend quicker PFs. And by quick I mean Amare/Swift/Wilcox/Gooden/Odom quick.

You're right, he struggled with Frye because he struggles with perimeter big men... should've clarified that more instead of just "quick".

From the 5 or so games I've seen I'd say Bogut is "solid" defensively. I'd agree that fantastic is a bit of an overstatement, but he's improved drastically since the Olympics (god he was awful on D) and definitely hasn't been bad enough to warrant having his minutes stripped.

by **Matt** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:08 am

his minutes are stripped usually because

1. he picks up early fouls

2. other teams go with a smaller line up and Bucks adjust (playing Kukoc)

by **Laxation** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:01 am

i dont understand why stotts adjusts according to the other team, if they put in a small lineup fuck em, bucks will get the rebounds

by **Matt** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:43 pm

On the assumption that they force missed shots, which isn't Bucks strength. If they play Bogut on a quicker guy 2 things will happen more often than not, the offensive player will blow by Bogut and score easily or Bogut will foul. Not good either way.

On the other end however Bogut doesn't have any offensive go to moves which doesn't make sense to put him in. Most of his points come from drive and dish situations and hustle points.

by **J@3** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:53 pm

You don't have to score everytime you touch the ball to be effective. Read the link I posted a few posts back, everytime he touched the ball something positive happened. They could run their entire offense through him if they wanted to, his passing skills are good enough and when he's facing the basket he's pretty dangerous. It's just the back to the basket things he needs to work on.

Edit: God he sucked today.

by **SnitchDevil** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:02 pm

Bogut's D is by no means solid. Believe me, it's average at best.

He is also by no means a go to guy. Though he would probably thrive playing under the triangle offense. Yes, he is that type of player.(Longley, Travis Knight, Samaki Walker, Wennington) (N)

by **J@3** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:18 pm

Edit: Nevermind my post, you live in the Philippines. My assumption that you have no idea what you're talking about is right.

by **SnitchDevil** on Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:25 pm

No problemo. (Y)

by **Drex** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:39 am

Yes, he is that type of player.(Longley, Travis Knight, Samaki Walker, Wennington)

Yup, all those guys were first picks in the draft :crazy:

by **SnitchDevil** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:33 pm

Drex wrote:
Yes, he is that type of player.(Longley, Travis Knight, Samaki Walker, Wennington)

Yup, all those guys were first picks in the draft

Samaki was a lotto pick. :roll:

by **joyufat** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:26 pm

Matt wrote:On the assumption that they force missed shots, which isn't Bucks strength. If they play Bogut on a quicker guy 2 things will happen more often than not, the offensive player will blow by Bogut and score easily or Bogut will foul. Not good either way.

On the other end however Bogut doesn't have any offensive go to moves which doesn't make sense to put him in. Most of his points come from drive and dish situations and hustle points.

I guess that makes sense. So what you're saying is Bogut needs to develop either faster feet (probably won't happen) or polish his low-post moves, because right now he's mediocre on both defense and offense, so there's no compelling reason to include him except to counter similarly sized bodies. Yeah, that actually sounds right, I guess my "Go Aussie Go" attitude has been blinding me to this truth.

Jae wrote:You don't have to score everytime you touch the ball to be effective. Read the link I posted a few posts back, everytime he touched the ball something positive happened. They could run their entire offense through him if they wanted to, his passing skills are good enough and when he's facing the basket he's pretty dangerous. It's just the back to the basket things he needs to work on.

I don't think it would make sense to run the offense through him if he has no low-post moves. It works with Shaq because a dump inside to him forces the defense to react, creating openings. It wouldn't work with Bogut because the defense would just stick to its one-on-one matchups knowing that Bogut isn't going to do anything but pass.

by **SnitchDevil** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:47 pm

^^You better not be from the Philippines or no matter how much sense your post makes, it will be irrelevant because of certain assumptions by certain people.

Anyway, what goes around comes around anyway. (Y)

by **Matt** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:23 pm

You don't have to score everytime you touch the ball to be effective. Read the link I posted a few posts back, everytime he touched the ball something positive happened. They could run their entire offense through him if they wanted to, his passing skills are good enough and when he's facing the basket he's pretty dangerous. It's just the back to the basket things he needs to work on.

depends what you mean by run the offense through him. If you look at Dallas or Minny for example, both teams run their offense through Dirk & KG, but that only happens because both are not only very good passers but also demand the attention of the defense all the time.

I don't think that would work with Bogut because he doesn't command dbl teams yet. They should use him like Nets do with Krstic.....get him some early shots and dump him the ball a few times during the course of the game.

by **J@3** on Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:28 pm

^^You better not be from the Philippines or no matter how much sense your post makes, it will be irrelevant because of certain assumptions by certain people.

But your post didn't make any sense. You compared him to Longley and Travis Knight for christ sakes, have you even seen him play at all? Actually, have you even seen either of those guys play before?

by **SnitchDevil** on Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:31 pm

Jae wrote:
^^You better not be from the Philippines or no matter how much sense your post makes, it will be irrelevant because of certain assumptions by certain people.

But your post didn't make any sense. You compared him to Longley and Travis Knight for christ sakes, have you even seen him play at all? Actually, have you even seen either of those guys play before?

Have you ever heard of league pass? Is it even available in australia? :crazy:

by **J@3** on Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:04 pm

Like you have league pass. You'd struggle to pay the rent on the mud hut you live in, Pinoy fool.

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