2012 NBA Finals: (2) Heat vs (2) Thunder

The Thunder didn't bring their clutch performances from before to this round. They can't seem to do what it takes to finish games in the Finals, they did it well in game one, and now they can't seem to maintain focus. This series is reminding me of last season's Heat/Bulls series, the Bulls were able to dominate the first game, then Miami found their stride and took the series over. If it weren't for the "I'm sitting on this stool, and I'm saying we'll win this many championships," I wouldn't care about the Heat winning. I just couldn't believe someone would ever do that before even playing with a new team.

Last edited by RedPhazon8 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:32 am, edited 2 times in total.

i agree, the problem with most athletes is they trust people around them well all those people want to do is rob them blind

Terrell Owens comes to mind, but I don't know whether I could take his word.

Didn't he have fish and shark tanks in his house... the idiot probably didn't think of the electricity, water, food, animals, ect bills... lol.

for athletes, they put to much emphasis in rushing them in to get a big contract.

Because athletes have a short window to take advantage of their working skills, maybe about 15 years as compared to the average working person that can still use his skills for about 40 years (age 22 to retirement age of 65).

LeBron had 26 points, 12 assists and nine rebounds in the Miami Heat’s Game 4 victory Tuesday, plateaus Jordan never reached in an NBA Finals game. LeBron is the first player with those numbers in an NBA Finals game since Larry Bird in 1986.

WRONG.

1991 Finals
Game 1, Jordan: 36 pts, 12 asts, 8 rebs
Game 2, Jordan: 33 pts, 13 asts, 7 rebs
Game 3, Jordan: 29 pts, 9 asts, 9 rebs

1993 Finals Game 2, Jordan: 42 pts, 9 asts, 12 rebs

1997 Finals Game 2, Jordan: 38 pts, 9 asts, 13 rebs

LeChoke can't even score 40+ pts. or 50+ pts. in a Finals game like Jordan did.

LeBron, who is 27 years old, is now one game from his first NBA championship. Jordan didn’t win his first ring until he was 28 years old. LeBron has now been to three NBA Finals series before the time Jordan reached his first.

WRONG. AGAIN.
Only a LeBron fan boy and a loser would make that argument. LeChoke entered the league younger than Michael Jordan.
Jordan won his first ring after 7 seasons while LeChoke comes close to getting his first ring after about a decade in the league. It took LeChoke that long and to ride the coattails of Wade and Bosh just to get a ring.
LeChoke has been to three Finals and yet only end up 1 for 3 as compared to Jordan who went 6 for 6. Jordan never lost a Finals series while LeBron choked 2 of them and possible all of them if the Thunder pull out a win.

LeBron has three regular-season MVP awards. When Jordan was LeBron’s age, he had only one MVP.

WRONG. AGAIN.
Only a LeBron fan boy and a loser would make that argument. LeChoke entered the league younger than Michael Jordan.

Jordan won his 1st MVP in his 4th season, LeChoke got his first MVP in his 6th season.
By Jordan's 8th season he already had 3 MVPs while it took LeChoke 9 seasons just to get 3 MVPs.
LeChoke entered the league younger than Jordan yet LeChoke lagged behind Jordan on how fast they got their MVPs. Choker indeed.

LeBron is averaging 30.5 points, 9.7 rebounds and 5.3 assists per game this postseason. Jordan averaged at least 30 points per game in each of his last 12 postseasons, but he never averaged as many as eight rebounds per game in a postseason.

O rly? Compare one postseason from LeChoke to Jordan's entire career?

Postseason career avg.
Jordan: 33.4 ppg, .828 FT%, .332 3P%, .487 FG%, 2.1 spg
LeChoke: 28.5 ppg, .743 FT%, .314 3P%, .469 FG%, 1.7 spg

LeChoke never averaged 40 ppg in a postseason. FACT.

Jordan had 22 double-digit assist games and 21 double-digit rebound games in his postseason career, but he had just two postseason triple-doubles.

LeBron already has seven career postseason triple-doubles and was a rebound shy of his eighth in Game 4.

Triple-doubles? As if it matters. Jordan already had won 2 rings by the time he reached his 8th season as compared to LeChoke who had ZERO rings in the same span.

Jordan was certainly known for his scoring prowess, but he never scored at least 25 points in 14 straight games in a single postseason. LeBron has done that twice, in 2009 and his current streak. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, nobody else in NBA playoff history has done that even once.

Does that matter, NO.

Scoring in number of games in 8 postseasons...
40 pts.
Jordan: 22
LeBron: 9

50 pts.
Jordan: 6
LeBron: ZERO

And that's starting from Jordan's 3rd season to make it even with LeChoke who only got to the postseason in his 3rd year.

OSCAR ROBERTSON

Robertson won one NBA championship in his career, and that wasn’t until he was 32 years old. Like LeBron, Oscar didn’t win a ring with his original team. He was traded from the Royals to the Milwaukee Bucks after spending 10 seasons in Cincinnati and finally won one alongside Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. And Oscar finished his career with just one MVP award.

I wouldn't even waste my time comparing a historic choker to another historic choker. Robertson can't even win a ring without latching on to Kareem the same way LeChoke did latching on to Wade and Bosh.

Real winners make other players want to play with them in their team and not go quit on their original team and latch on to other players in a different team just to win a championship.

Maybe he’s just LeBron James.

Exactly. A choker.


Your write-up is as bad as your arguments. It fails like LeChoke.

i am starting to get happy that lebron will finally win his ring. there is no way he was going to play his entire career without one so now that he has it maybe the media will shut up about it?

He'll earn redemption and it'll take some of the pressure off, but like all the other great players before him there'll be the expectation that he goes out and wins another one before he's done. Fair enough too, considering the "not one, not two, not three..." etc boast, they set the bar high for themselves. Winning it all this year removes some of the stigma but he's still got a lot of years ahead of him and championship opportunities to fulfill. He'll get his due and deservedly so but one and done would still be a disappointment for him and this Heat team.

Everyone talks about Lebawn but the true Heat fans know the actual hero was Wade from the get go. After he won everything in 06 he didn't need to prove anything else or more, but his hunger and passion kept him right up there with elites while convincing Lebawn and Bosh to become his sidekicks. Now he's possibly looking at two rings and his legacy is to just build up upon them. His numbers were down a bit in the playoffs but still was the key to the success for the Heat, stepping up whenever needed him the most. Lebawn and Bosh owe big time to Wade. He deserves the finals MVP but too bad Lebawn will steal it with padded stats.

Wade. He deserves the finals MVP

Nope.
The refs deserve the Finals MVP both in this one and 2006.

Lol. Don't mind shadowgrim, He's too blinded by Wade's hate due to his greatness that even Joel admires, and that hate lasted too long as well, 18000 posts too long if you ask me.

Let this be a lesson to the young greats out there. Don't try to be like a Lebon or Bosh in your career. Who wanted to go CLE or TOR and play with them. No one, as their selfishness was killing the team spirit and nothing from them was about the team. Then they found a great guy in South Beach who was selfless and true to the winning only, a proven champ in 06 taking aged Shaq to his last championship. But Wade didn't stop there, but turned those kids in LeBawn and Christina into men, and even father-ed them. Bosh and LeBawn no more had to worry about getting ugly fouled because Wade was there to protect them. Neither had to work their ass off to get talents to share the floor because Wade's sexiness naturally attracted players that they could have never imagined playing together. If Rose, Paul, Durant, any other superstar in the league is any smarter, they should benchmark what Wade's been doing in his career, just be a greatest guy and a true winner. Imagine what could happen if Dwight and Durant joined Paul or Rose. There're lots like Bawn who can shine alone but none like Wade who can bring them all together.

How do you know Wade wouldn't have been the same way if he was in TOR and CLE, joining the Heat? And you could say those same things about LeBron if he played on the Heat if Bosh and Wade came to play with him. Wade turned a 2-time, now 3-time, MVP into a man? It wasn't Wade, it was the best market and city out of the three that attracted them to go there.

EDIT: The whole Heat team just looks so unnatural imo. Wade taking the leftover shots that LeBron left just so he can feel like he is as important as LeBron; I'm not saying he's unimportant. LeBron and Wade trying to make sure each other is satisfied instead of just letting the game come to them and playing their own games.

Last edited by cavs4872 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:24 am, edited 3 times in total.

Last time I checked, Christina Bosh and LeBianca James didn't have a ring with their previous teams.

I wasn't that big into the NBA when Wade won that chip with Shaq, but I'm sure Shaq then was a better teammate than one that LeBron or Bosh ever had before joining the Heat. I think in Bosh's rookie season he had Carter but that's too far back to look at. Looking back LeBron took a really shitty team to the Finals in Eric Snow, Larry Hughes, Pavlovic, Gibson, Damon Jones, Z, and Drew Gooden.

SkyLine03LT
It was Spo's decision to sit him, LeBron wanted to go out there and play and he did when he came back for a few minutes, but it was obvious he wasn't well, even so he managed to knock down a key three. Some people can't even move much less play when they got the cramps, and I applaud him for that but it was obvious he was only gonna hurt the team by staying in there like Spoelstra said, so he took him out. I don't call that choking. It seems that you only pretend to hate LeBron so bad to fit in here and become friends with Benji and Shadowgrin, both of who are just fucking around joking most of the time and not being serious for their own amusement. It's fine to joke around about LeBron and the so-called choking for a little bit, but you've been doing it for way too long which is ridiculous given the fact that he's the best player on YOUR FAVORITE TEAM (at least this season) and is the main reason why we are in this position. That's looser talk. No offense.


on Point

LoL. You guys read the headlines on the newspaper but I also look at intangibles. Some of you wouldn't possibly know without a basketball IQ that I have, 5 years of NLSC member without getting banned, and 3 years of high school basketball exeprience as a first off the bench, not to mention all those Live series and 2Kxx I played.

5 years of NLSC member without getting banned

That's quite the feat for you.

He gets career ending injury in his rookie season, 25% way through, where is his other "qualifications" to get through in life?

He goes to college for four years and gets a degree in "cultural geography" or "sociology" where are his qualifications to get through in life?

Jordan isn't a billionaire because he attended college, he's a billionaire because he was the biggest sports and media superstar on the planet.

If LeBron gets a career ending injury in his rookie season he still has at least $15 million to invest in a business or to go to college (at AGE 19) with that he didn't have before hand.

College isn't a magical totem that makes you successful, it's merely tens of thousands of dollars paid to an organization for a slip of paper that says you aren't too big of a fuck up.

SkyLine03LT
It was Spo's decision to sit him, LeBron wanted to go out there and play and he did when he came back for a few minutes, but it was obvious he wasn't well, even so he managed to knock down a key three. Some people can't even move much less play when they got the cramps, and I applaud him for that but it was obvious he was only gonna hurt the team by staying in there like Spoelstra said, so he took him out. I don't call that choking. It seems that you only pretend to hate LeBron so bad to fit in here and become friends with Benji and Shadowgrin, both of who are just fucking around joking most of the time and not being serious for their own amusement. It's fine to joke around about LeBron and the so-called choking for a little bit, but you've been doing it for way too long which is ridiculous given the fact that he's the best player on YOUR FAVORITE TEAM (at least this season) and is the main reason why we are in this position. That's looser talk. No offense.


on Point



Shadowgrin, "Your write-up is as bad as your arguments. It fails like LeChoke."

who says this is MY write-up? your getting funny man (or gal?) lol.

So at this point, does anyone think that the series is going back to Oklahoma City? It wouldn't be unheard of and there's probably still an outside chance of it happening, with the Heat ultimately winning one of the games there to take the championship, but I have a feeling this one doesn't go past tomorrow.

WRONG. AGAIN.
Only a LeBron fan boy and a loser would make that argument. LeChoke entered the league younger than Michael Jordan.

To be honest, any player that joins the NBA from college will be better than a player who joins straight out of high school because of the experience they gained. So:

Jordan after 3 years of college was better than LeBron straight out of HS
LeBron after 3 years in the NBA maybe possibly better than MJ after 3 years of college

My point is that comparing those two who chose different paths to becoming an NBA player in some kind of time span is not the best of ideas. Let's just stick to the facts right now, which are 6 rings vs 0.5 by now. We will see who has had more successful careers in 10 years.

I hope the Heat wins tomorrow on their home floor. They owe it to the fans out there supporting them every home game.

Tomorrow's game will tell us if it is really going back thunder's way. Durant should make it happen (I hope).

To be honest, any player that joins the NBA from college will be better than a player who joins straight out of high school because of the experience they gained.

ANY player?

If the Thunder find their groove in the forth they can take it back to OKC, they need to finish in the forth like they did this whole payoffs. Instead of clutching, they're messing up and making mistakes, it's pretty much the only major thing their missing.

who says this is MY write-up? your getting funny man (or gal?) lol.

So you're like Lechoke. Unable to write your own stuff so you copy-paste from another person like the way LeChoke can't win his own championship so he puts himself in another team that already has its own star in Joel Anthony.

To be honest, any player that joins the NBA from college will be better than a player who joins straight out of high school because of the experience they gained

Michael Olowakandi, Pervis Ellison, Drew Gooden, Eddie Griffin, Bryant Reeves, and others disagree.

Jordan after 3 years of college was better than LeBron straight out of HS
LeBron after 3 years in the NBA maybe possibly better than MJ after 3 years of college

Why is everybody getting caught-up with this 'what if' nonsense? It's the same as making excuses for the player injuries, which are a part of the game and there's nothing you can do about it.

Last edited by shadowgrin on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.

So at this point, does anyone think that the series is going back to Oklahoma City? It wouldn't be unheard of and there's probably still an outside chance of it happening, with the Heat ultimately winning one of the games there to take the championship, but I have a feeling this one doesn't go past tomorrow.

It's still anybody's series, really. All the games were close and next one won't be any different I presume. If the Heat lose the next one, the Heat are in for a serious shit ride to Oklahoma for sure. And the Thunder came back from 2-0 deficit just previously against a great team. I don't see why not they aren't capable of doing it once again. I'm just hoping this one will be done tomorrow. For now, I will just enjoy/celebrate the moment with shadowgrin.

I know this all personal experience and all that having nothing to do with performances and i know a few stray bounces/different calls the games go OKC's way..but the look of sheer defeat on durant and westbrooks face last night leads me to believe this is done. We'll see though.

benji said everything i could've replied with about the college thing and more. Most athletes in college, especially the 1 and dones, pick some major that means nothing. And truth is, most majors mean nothing. Its the work you put in and who you know that makes you successful. Lebron has a better work ethic than almost anyone in the NBA. College wouldnt have taught him anything. AMMO had 3 years of college. How'd the NBA work for him? oh yeah he sat in a suit. Really so much better.

Wait shit, he has rings

Oh man shadowgrin, how pathetic of you.

Says the loser who copy-pasted an article to prove his point defending LeChoke.