X's Hypothetical Draft Do-overs *1984 Posted*

any updates?

any updates?

sorry everybody, I've been really busy the last couple of weeks....I haven't forgotten about the re-drafts & I will finish them, just time is a little bit more precious with studies re-commencing on top of my full-time work & the usual time spent pleasing the Mrs & so on....heck, I haven't played my PS3 in about 6 weeks, so time isn't quite there at present....I'll try & get an update out by about Tuesday/Wednesday at latest....

glad there are a few people interested still

I'm interested to see what you'll do with the 1988 Draft. I'm guessing Charles Smith, Chris Morris and Tim Perry will be dropping out of the lottery with Dan Majerle and Rod Strickland moving up. Number one's a tough choice though. Danny Manning remaining at one wouldn't be such a bad idea given the prospects in that draft but then you could probably put Smits or Richmond there as well.

I'm excited as always X, I've enjoyed this thread immensely.

thanks for interest....I'll post it in 2 days' time, as am busy tonight & tomorrow....

1988 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

1. LA Clippers: SG- Mitch Richmond (picked #5)

The Clippers needed help in a lot of places, but they surely wouldn't have passed on a career 21ppg scorer. The Rock becomes the foundations for a new age in Clippers basketball.

2. Indiana: C- Rik Smits (picked #2)

I can't see the Pacers passing on the best big man in the draft in Dutchman Rik Smits. He had a nice career for them & really helped them become the elite in the East in the late 90's.

3. Philadelphia: SG- Hersey Hawkins (picked #6)

Whilst pairing the talented Danny Manning with Sir Charles might've worked, I still see them getting a guard with this pick. I'll have them taking Hawkins, this time by pick rather than via trade. Hersey provides great shooting & adds another offensive dimension to the Sixers team.

4. New Jersey: PF/SF- Danny Manning (picked #1)

The Nets take the best available talent in Jayhawk Danny Manning. When healthy & before the worst of his injuries, he was an All-Star calibre forward. The Nets will put him next to Buck Williams & form a pretty good frontcourt.

5. Golden State: C- Rony Seikaly (picked #9)

The Warriors always need help inside, so why not take a centre that is going to be good for the next decade? Seikaly was fairly agile for a big man, so I could see him fitting at this spot.

6. LA Clippers: PG- Rod Strickland (picked #19)

Combined with the #1 selection, this might've capped the Clippers best ever draft. The Clippers needed a starting PG & low & behold, one of the most underrated PG's of his time is available at this spot in Rod Strickland. I was always a big fan of his game, & think that a backcourt of Strickland & Richmond propels the Clippers to a regular playoff team in a couple of years.

7. Phoenix: SG/SF- Dan Majerle (picked #14)

To think Suns' fans booed him when they picked him at #14, imagine what they would've done had they taken Thunder Dan at #7 (over Tim Perry of all people too). Well, it's happening & this pick makes too much sense that nothing else needs to be said on the matter.

8. Charlotte: PF- Charles Smith (picked #3)

I actually had the brand new franchise sticking with Rex Chapman at this pick, then I realised that they had nothing to lose by taking the more talented Charles Smith. He was a good player before injuries slowed him down after his 4th season. I'm willing to bet that the new Hornets were willing to take a 20ppg & 7rpg over the sharpshooting Chapman, who would be out of town a few years later anyways.

9. Miami: SG- Rex Chapman (picked #8)

The Heat take who the Hornets pass on in sharpshooting Rex Chapman. Solid pick at this juncture.


Four toughest omissions: Chris Morris (#4), Grant Long (#33), Vernon Maxwell (#47), Anthony Mason (#53).

Biggest flop: Tim Perry (#8).

Did you know: Tito Horford (#39), Al Horford's dad, was drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks.


Not too many flops in this draft, but not too many high end prospects either. I'm guessing if their is an argument on this re-draft, it'll be that perhaps Danny Manning should've went ahead of Hawkins at #3. Interested to hear what people think.

I probably won't get a chance to post the 1987 re-draft for another week, so enjoy & post your opinions. Cheers.

It's a bummer Anthony Mason couldn't squeak in somewhere, I'd think he could. I understand the logic though.

Nice job.

Rod Strickland and Mitch Richmond in the same backcourt would have been terrifying for every team in the league on both sides of the floor. That would have been really fun to watch.

I would probably still take Manning over Hawkins, though I agree a guard would have been a more balanced compliment to Barkley. Originally I would have dropped Smith from the lottery as I'd forgotten he produced some solid seasons in between a few injury ravaged campaigns which tend to overshadow what he was capable of doing.

It's a bummer Anthony Mason couldn't squeak in somewhere, I'd think he could. I understand the logic though.

Nice job.

yeah, the fact that it took him a year or so to get into NBA (he played in USBL or some budget league out of college) & then it took him another few years to establish himself as a legit pro, that went against him....when he did establish himself, he was definitely one of the better prospects in the draft....

Rod Strickland and Mitch Richmond in the same backcourt would have been terrifying for every team in the league on both sides of the floor. That would have been really fun to watch.

that it would've been....

I would probably still take Manning over Hawkins, though I agree a guard would have been a more balanced compliment to Barkley. Originally I would have dropped Smith from the lottery as I'd forgotten he produced some solid seasons in between a few injury ravaged campaigns which tend to overshadow what he was capable of doing.

yeah, that was my thought process....it was a 50-50 pick but I went with the balance it brought them as a playoff team....

as for Charles Smith, I remember seeing him as a Knickerbocker, & thought he stunk it up....although they played him as a SF even though he was more a PF....I recall seeing a NBA action piece or some other ESPN piece on Charles Smith & he looked like quite the player....pre-injuries that is....

Imagine the outrage if Danny Manning had really slipped a couple spots like that. What an incredible player he was at Kansas. He was one of those few guys we've had that were number 1 pick without question, and anybody who said otherwise was an idiot.

I miss this topic. You came so close to the 1984 draft (and seeing Jordan go second). I hope you continue this someday.

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Jordan was 1984 draft?

My bad.

and my god was the 84 class a good one

Richmond and Strickland in the same draft would absolutely be the best draft choices the Clippers ever made since moving to LA. (They drafted Bob McAdoo and Adrian Dantley while in Buffalo, and Tom Chambers and Terry Cummings in San Diego.)

Very interesting that the opportunity may have been there to select them both. I would've liked to see them play together when they were young. I'll have to settle with the bad Wizards teams of '98-'01.

I miss this topic. You came so close to the 1984 draft (and seeing Jordan go second). I hope you continue this someday.

yeah, I was actually thinking about this thread & when I should actually finish it....I think the Ewing draft is the last one that I would have to do....the reason why I had paused this thread is that I was doing an intensive CA module....whilst that finished in December, I'm getting married in just over a month's time & European honeymoon to keep me busy in March, so don't expect it to be finalised until sometime after then....sorry for the delay though....

Bumpety bump, due to popular demand (from one NLSC member), I may as well finish what I started....probably a fitting time since I'm in countdown mode to NBA Draft Party & piss-up near the end of this week (day off work & all)

Looking back on all the re-drafts I did, I now realise it's wrong to try to re-draft before at least 3 years have passed. Preferably at least 5 years minimum. That's why the initial 2005, 2006 and 2007 re-drafts don't look so good now. I guess it gives good insight on how the 2007/08 season has changed much of our perceptions on some player's games.

To summarise for anybody who missed this, the re-draft are as follows:

2007: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 562#795562

Need to make some room for Thaddeus Young.

2006: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 576#795576

Methinks Roy goes number 1, Gay & Rondo go higher, probably Brewer too.

2005: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 874#795874

Since this re-draft, a bit has changed. Paul & Williams would go 1 & 2. Bynum would move way up into top 5, I'd probably keep Bogut just in top 5 as he's still getting better & he's big. Probably Monta Ellis in top 5 as well. Rest is alright, although I'd probably get rid of picks 11 to 14 & bring in the toughest omissions (except for the Turk).

2004: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 662#796662

I'm not happy with this re-draft anymore, as one additional year of play has moved some of the guys late lottery to much higher. Too much effort to do all re-drafts though.

2003: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 064#797064

Again, David West deserves a bump & Darko deserves a negative bump. This re-draft was done 4 years after, let's see if the 5 year minimum gap for re-draft helps. This also goes to show how underrated West was & also how much he has improved over his career to date.

2002: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 229#798229

As you can see, when I did this one, 5 years after, not much has changed in last year, maybe you could bump Dunleavy a couple of spots higher & Krstic a few spots down, but not too bad.

2001: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 855#798855

Fairly strong draft. I'd probably bump Tyson Chandler up to maybe 7. Tough call. Hard to see Jefferson so long & Battier & Dalembert missing out.

2000: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 363#800363

Looks like Hedo Turkoglu jumps up to potentially as high as 6.

1999: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 592#801592

What a strong draft this was

1998: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 691#802691

Another strong draft. Flip Brad Miller & Raef, I got them back to front.

1997: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 569#803569

A weak draft outside the top 4.

1996: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 272#804272

Another nice draft.

1995: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 271#805271

Draft class started alright, but due to injuries & other stuff, they faded pretty quickly, outside of the guy at the top of course.

1994: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 450#806450

Outside of some very good talent at top, not a great draft at all.

1993: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 409#807409

Can't believe I put Mash so low such is life....

1992: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 685#808685

Should've been better. Injuries didn't help.

1991: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 897#809897

At the top, maybe not strong, but still a pretty solid draft.

1990: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 266#811266

Luvin' that Ced goes number 3

1989: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 675#813675

Nervous Pervis makes the cut

1988: http://www.nbaliveforums.com/viewtopic. ... 847#819847

The Rock says


Up next: 1987 Re-Draft. The Admiral. Scottie Pippen. KJ. Reggie. Yeah, I think we have something to work with

Damn, too bad you won't update the last 3-4 years. Oh well, glad to see it back!

[The X]

1987 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

1. San Antonio: C- David Robinson (picked #1)

I don't think those 2 years of Navy service whilst waiting for The Admiral would bother them, so Spurs take Robinson at one. No doubt about it.

2. Phoenix: SF- Scottie Pippen (picked #5)

For me it's between Pip & Reggie Miller. Since they would acquire Eddie Johnson, I think a complementary do everything player like Pip might fit better. It's one of those can't lose picks. Some might argue Kevin Johnson here, but his time will come.

3. New Jersey: SG- Reggie Miller (picked #11)

The Nets were quite stocked in the frontcourt with Buck Williams, Orlando Woolridge & Mike Gminski, so they definitely needed guard help more than anything else. Whilst KJ name might come into equation, you don't pass on Reggie at this spot. And besides, he might hurt Knicks more since he's across the river. Indy might not like it though.

4. LA Clippers: PG- Kevin Johnson (picked #7)

I think they take the best available player in PG Kevin Johnson, who boosts the team's offence for many years to come.

5. Seattle: PG- Mark Jackson (picked #18)

Dale Ellis, Xavier McDaniel & Tom Chambers. One thing is common is they all need somebody to get them the basketball. PG seems to be a gimme at this pick & Mark Jackson beats out the likes of Kenny Smith & Muggsy Bogues as the best available.

6. Sacramento: PF/C- Horace Grant (picked #10)

This team was strong on wings with Reggie Theus, had a good big man in Otis Thorpe, but they could use a centre & point guard. So the debate here is between Horace Grant (not a centre, but between him & Thorpe, they cover PF & C positions) & Kenny Smith, who they did end up picking. Smith would end up out of town within a couple of years, so I'm going with Ho.

7. Cleveland: SG/SF- Reggie Lewis (picked #22)

Cavs were quite stacked with Brad Daugherty, Mark Price, Larry Nance, Craig Ehlo & "Hot Rod Williams", so it's best available talent I guess. Chances are the late Reggie Lewis might have got them over the hump one of those years in the late 80's & early 90's over Jordan & the Bulls prior to his death following the 1992/93 season.


Four toughest omissions: Armon Gilliam (#2), Reggie Williams (#4), Kenny Smith (#6), Muggsy Bogues (#12).

Biggest flop: Dennis Hopson (#3).


Lottery is really getting short now. Pretty good though, can't complain.

That's enough for today, 1986 re-draft is next on the agenda. Cheers.

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I don't think there's any question of Pip going at #2 over Reggie. I'm not sure about Reggie Lewis going at #7 though. I don't disagree in terms of talent but if a team could look into the future and see the health problems that he'd have leading to his untimely passing (after 92/93, not 02/03 ) perhaps they'd reconsider.

I think blazers hit jackpot by getting aldrdige for tyrus thomas. aldridge was 3rd most improved this year, and thomas skips practices.. which one would u want?

That doesn't have anything to do with the 1987 Draft, but the way things have turned out I'd rather the Bulls kept Aldridge.

I think blazers hit jackpot by getting aldrdige for tyrus thomas. aldridge was 3rd most improved this year, and thomas skips practices.. which one would u want?

lmao, are you high? were those 2 even born in 87?

I think blazers hit jackpot by getting aldrdige for tyrus thomas. aldridge was 3rd most improved this year, and thomas skips practices.. which one would u want?

lmao, are you high? were those 2 even born in 87?[/quote
i was just saying it didnt know we were on 87 topic