Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:24 am
Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:36 am
koberulz wrote:NovU wrote:Lebron certainly has long ways to go if wants to be considered a game winning shot maker along in the likes of Kobe, or Jordan.
Given that Kobe and Jordan got those reputations because the media felt like handing them out, rather than actually doing anything to deserve them, and that same media seems determined to tear LeBron down regardless of what he does, it's reasonable to assume at this point that no matter what LeBron does he's never going to have that reputation.koberulz wrote:he certainly needs to back it up with memorable finishes as Kobe and Jordan have.
Why?
koberulz wrote:Say if he didn't defer to Haslem but made the basket himself, it could have been one of those memorable moments for the fans.
His job isn't to entertain fans. His job is to help his team win. That's what he was doing.
koberulz wrote:That's what he is being targeted for I assume.
He's being targeted for playing basketball instead of being a self-important douchebag. As opposed to last year, when he was targeted for being a self-important douchebag instead of playing basketball.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:15 am
Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:04 am
koberulz wrote:Given that Kobe and Jordan got those reputations because the media felt like handing them out, rather than actually doing anything to deserve them
Pdub wrote:What a horrible lesson for the kids:Don't pass it. The double came as soon as he got the ball so he already saw that Haslem was open. Haslem was ready for the pass the whole time. Why Lebron is getting the scrutiny is beyond me. If he is going to win a championship, he needs the people around him to be able to execute plays like that.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:45 pm
Andrew wrote:I'd suggest players like Jordan, Bird, Kobe etc gained those reputations because they do have their share of clutch plays and gamewinning shots.
For my part, I don't think it was a terrible play, he hit the open man who unfortunately in this case wasn't really the guy you'd want taking that shot.
Also, if Spoelstra drew it up for Haslem to take the last shot and for LeBron to be the passer/decoy, he should be getting a decent amount of blame here. Even if you're not going to have LeBron take that last shot, go with Battier before Haslem since Wade and Bosh are unavailable at this point.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:51 pm
Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:57 pm
Andrew wrote:It's just that he's also had some noteworthy moments where he's not been at his best when it's mattered most.
For someone that can flat out dominate the competition whenever he chooses these moments of passiveness are puzzling and a point of interest.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:44 pm
koberulz wrote:Like game one of the 1991 NBA Finals? Or like whichever year it was against Utah?
koberulz wrote:This argument basically states that we have to criticise everyone who doesn't make a selfish play, instead opting for the better option, if they've ever fucked up at anything ever.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:10 pm
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:29 pm
Andrew wrote:Watching the play again, I'd have to say Battier was a feasible option and he was 6/7 on the night. To answer your previous question, I think that's Chalmers at the three point line, who wasn't shooting well but probably would've still been a better choice than Haslem and just as open. It makes me wonder if it was drawn up that way, LeBron as the first choice and Haslem as Plan B if the double comes.
Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:59 pm
Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:37 pm
Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:45 pm
The X wrote:I prefer a play like that than one of Melo or Pierce or Kobe going one on whoever & shooting a low percentage shot (even if they make it).
Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:02 am
After all, this was an All-Star game, and ultimately the moment everyone had waited to witness. Game’s on the line, Bryant on James. There’s nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. Most of all, there’s nothing to lose. Take the shot, live with the consequences.
And truth be told, there are no consequences for failing on a long 3-pointer in the final seconds of an All-Star game, no consequences for driving past Bryant and missing a runner or missing a pull-up jumper. No one would’ve remembered a missed shot down two points to the Western Conference, but a long, wayward, get-this-ball-out-of-my-hands pass lingers longer.
“Yeah, he was telling me to shoot it,” James said. “I wish I could have that one back.”
Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:40 am
Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:02 pm
Q: I admire how all the talk from national media of stars taking our final shot doesn't hinder our stars from making the right basketball plays. -- Adam, Miami.
A: And you saw that on Wednesday night. The difference is this time Udonis Haslem and Chris Bosh made the shots. Like coaches often say, this is a make-or-miss league. Sometimes it's that simple.
Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:55 pm
Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:48 pm
Andrew wrote:Well, he came up with a big shot this time around.
He did actually pass up a decent shot inside, but Chalmers did have an alright look from three and they ultimately managed to run more time off the clock before LeBron got open for his clutch shot. Down three, it was a good play.
Great shot from Wade too, you could possibly give him the foul on that but he does kind of jump/lean into the defender and the NBA proclaimed they'd be cracking down on that, so good on them for following through with a non-call involving a star player. No bailout calls, no controversy, just a cold blooded clutch shot to decide the game. Great finish, so close yet so far for the Pacers in trying for a big road win.
Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:13 pm
Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:12 am
George7 wrote:As for Wade,what else can I say? He's the best game finisher in the league. Maybe tied with Kobe. Not many players can win a game that easily...
Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:03 am
SteveHTOWN wrote:George7 wrote:As for Wade,what else can I say? He's the best game finisher in the league. Maybe tied with Kobe. Not many players can win a game that easily...
Two words: Paul Pierce.