Can Spree return to being an all star?

[Matthew]

But enough for Baron Davis and Spree? I dont think so, and the coaches would probably get davis in instead of spree...

[Andrew]

Forgot about Davis. Spree would still have a chance though.

[Fresh8]

IMO- Depending on how Davis/Spree do this season...only one of them will make East team...if they doin' bout the same...would they consider on how much impact they have on their teams??

Or do they choose the player who is more of a "fan Favourite"

[Matthew]

Uh dude, spree cant make the east team, he's in the western conference now. Before me and andrew were talking about if it would be easier now to make the all star game becuase he's in the west...

[Fresh8]

My bad man...but isn't Minny moving East?

[Andrew]

With New Orleans moving into the Western Conference either this coming season season or the season after when the Bobcats enter the NBA, the Timberwolves and Grizzlies have both expressed interest in moving into the Eastern Conference.

[LeBron James]

i think sprewell´s averages are very low in minesota .

[Andrew]

His scoring will be down from his Golden State and New York days as KG, Cassell and Wally World will be taking a lot of shots and most likely all scoring in double figures. Spree could still get 12-15 points though. His other numbers will probably remain about the same.

[scubilete]

His "steller" stats from the 94/95 season (where he was the all star game starter) of 19.6 ppg, 3 apg and 2.6 rpg are nothing compared to what guys are putting up now, and yet he was the all star game starter for the east. That to me shows how weak the league was at that position.

Well, you forgot you are a starter when the public asks for it, if he started was not cause of his numbers but because of majority of votes to start.

However, so is robert Horry. Does that make him one of the best power forwards or small forwards?

Well, Robert Horry has never scored more than 16 points (like Reggie has) per game in a season to be considered one of the best PF/SF nor has ever been an all-star.

Mark Price was an allstar, and also one of the better 3 point shooters and the best free throw shooter in the leagues history, does that mean he is one of the best pg's?

Actually, Mark Price was considered one of the best in his days, you can't mention him to say he's in the category of Cousy, Magic, etc, however that doesn't make him less. I supposed you remember KJ, he is not in the category of Magic/Cousy/Big O either but that doesn't mean he is not one of the best PGs this league has had.

He has never been a decent rebounder for his position

Ohhh, a decent rebounder for his position, I guess you meant the SGs need to take at least 4 or 5 rebs per game, even when they have PFs & Cs doing that job. Let's watch Dumars career and say Dumars is a mediocre SG for not taking as many rebs as others.

he has never really been able to make his teamates better

Whoever who think a SG job is make his teammates better is wrong. Others do but that's not their job, his job was shooting the ball, and that's what he did best.

he has never really been able to shut a guy down defensively.

Well, let's see, when you say a guy down defensively, you meant any guy, right?, well he shut down several times the Knicks & the Bulls, that would count 12 guys at a time.

I know you cant take away his confidence, but you cant overlook his flaws either..

I do see where the problem is, you wanted Reggie/Richmond/Dumars to do what Kobe/T-mac/Iverson are doing in order to call them great SGs. So cause those old SGs were not highflying/rebounders/shot blocker players, were not as fascinating as these active guys are, then you want to believe they have no place as one of the best SGs the league has had. Thanks God not everyone believe that's the way you rate a player as one of the best, I mean Bill Walton was one of the greatest of this game and he wouldn't even be a match for Shaq.

where he was selected it was only coz his name did not apear on any ballot!!

I did vote for Spree this last year

I still think his chances are better out west.

, the SGs of the west are Allen, Kobe, Finley, ???? Maybe some of the Warriors guys or the now Nuggets if they caught any. I believe Spree can make the team easier from the west.

i think sprewell´s averages are very low in minesota .

He hasn't played yet J-Kidd.

His scoring will be down from his Golden State and New York days as KG, Cassell and Wally World will be taking a lot of shots and most likely all scoring in double figures.

Possibly, I forgot how Cassell likes to play but if he comes back as a PG which he should (I mean passing first), & knowing Wally was taking over the 2 spot in the team cause nobody (other than Garnett) was likely shooting the ball, I supposed Spree will be taking enough shots. I know Spree is inconsistent in his shooting jumpers, but he is more aggressive than Wally is and that will take him to the line, I believe his average will drop just a bit.

[Matthew]

Well, you forgot you are a starter when the public asks for it, if he started was not cause of his numbers but because of majority of votes to start.

Whether the fans voted him in or not is irrelivent. It shows how weak the spot was in 94/95, which is why Spree was all nba that season.

Well, Robert Horry has never scored more than 16 points (like Reggie has) per game in a season to be considered one of the best PF/SF nor has ever been an all-star.

Lol, yes, thats right. But i was saying just becuase horry is clutch doesnt make him one of the greats to play his position

Actually, Mark Price was considered one of the best in his days, you can't mention him to say he's in the category of Cousy, Magic, etc, however that doesn't make him less.

Wow you agree with me . So if you can see the logic in that, why do you think reggie is one of the best shooting guards in the leagues history? He is amongst the best of the 90's, ill agree with that. But in terms of looking back other greats, the guys who are at the top of the position, reggie doesn't rate along with them imo.

I supposed you remember KJ, he is not in the category of Magic/Cousy/Big O either but that doesn't mean he is not one of the best PGs this league has had.

Exact same thing with KJ. He was one of the better pgs in the 90's, but when you look at other guys throught the history of the game, the legends who played that position, he cant be alongside them. That doesnt make him worse as a player, it just means he isnt amongst the best of all time to play pg... Just like reggie isnt amongst the best.

Ohhh, a decent rebounder for his position, I guess you meant the SGs need to take at least 4 or 5 rebs per game, even when they have PFs & Cs doing that job. Let's watch Dumars career and say Dumars is a mediocre SG for not taking as many rebs as others.

lol try not to have an orgasm . The point i was making when i said he wasnt a strong rebounder is he isnt a complete player. He is very one dimensional. At least with Dumars he was a great defender and he could score plus he made other guys around him better (Grant hill for example).

Whoever who think a SG job is make his teammates better is wrong. Others do but that's not their job,

Most great players do make their teamates better. Look at MJ, Shaq, Magic, Bill Russel, Hakeem etc etc. They all made their teamates better. Once again this proves he was one dimensional imo.

his job was shooting the ball, and that's what he did best

Thats Virtually all he did...

Well, let's see, when you say a guy down defensively, you meant any guy, right?, well he shut down several times the Knicks & the Bulls, that would count 12 guys at a time.

That might have been the dumbest thing ive ever seen. So reggie Miller shut down the Bulls' defensively all by himself? lol! Thats what you just said. Geeze, you really know your basketball

I do see where the problem is, you wanted Reggie/Richmond/Dumars to do what Kobe/T-mac/Iverson are doing in order to call them great SGs. So cause those old SGs were not highflying/rebounders/shot blocker players, were not as fascinating as these active guys are, then you want to believe they have no place as one of the best SGs the league has had.

For starters Iverson isnt a shotblocker or rebounder. Second of all, a player imo doesnt have to be a high flyer to be a great player. He can't be one dimensional tho. If he could be, then Shawn Bradley might be considered a great centre becuase he is an efficent shot blocker.

Thanks God not everyone believe that's the way you rate a player as one of the best, I mean Bill Walton was one of the greatest of this game and he wouldn't even be a match for Shaq.

I never said Reggie isnt a good player. I think he was amongst the elite 2 guards of the 90's. But I dont think he is in terms of the history... I cant break that down any clearer for you.

He hasn't played yet J-Kidd

lol

Possibly, I forgot how Cassell likes to play but if he comes back as a PG which he should (I mean passing first), & knowing Wally was taking over the 2 spot in the team cause nobody (other than Garnett) was likely shooting the ball, I supposed Spree will be taking enough shots. I know Spree is inconsistent in his shooting jumpers, but he is more aggressive than Wally is and that will take him to the line, I believe his average will drop just a bit

I agree with that

[MaD_hAND1e]

damn, spree was awesome back in the warriors days, anyone remember tht half court JUMPSHOT he made tht bet the buzzer at half time? lol and he was a good fighter in the warriors too, he bet up PJ Carlesimo and got suspended for a season or something

[Matthew]

Yeah and he was vilified for it... and he didnt actually punch pj i dont think, i think he just put his hands around his neck.

[Andrew]

Yeah, he apparently attempted to strangle Carlisemo. Upon being seperated Spree left, only to return with two-by-four - or so the story goes.

[scubilete]

That doesnt make him worse as a player, it just means he isnt amongst the best of all time to play pg... Just like reggie isnt amongst the best.

So in order to be among the best you need to be a Legend or be a hall of famer? I'm sorry I have a different opinion. I consider greatest/best different categories. Shawn Kemp/Grant Hill (any) is one of the best the league has had, not one of the greatest, do you see any dif.?

But I dont think he is in terms of the history... I cant break that down any clearer for you.

Actually, knowing the league hasn't had that many great SGs, I consider him one of the best the league has had. I can't make it any clearer than that to you.

Also, let's try not to make Dr. J a SG, that would make Mullin, Dominique, Alex English Shooting Guards as well.

So reggie Miller shut down the Bulls' defensively all by himself?

Actually you might have forgotten it, I really believe it's nice to forget bad experiences.

That might have been the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

, That would mean you don't see your posts after you type them.

[Matthew]

So in order to be among the best you need to be a Legend or be a hall of famer? I'm sorry I have a different opinion. I consider greatest/best different categories. Shawn Kemp/Grant Hill (any) is one of the best the league has had, not one of the greatest, do you see any dif.?

Well, just to clear things up, you have to be top 5 in that position to be amongst the best. The best being the top. Not middle or lower, but the absolute best.

Actually, knowing the league hasn't had that many great SGs, I consider him one of the best the league has had. I can't make it any clearer than that to you.

So in your books he is alongside MJ, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, george gervin and earl monroe?

Actually you might have forgotten it, I really believe it's nice to forget bad experiences.

Lol so you are saying Reggie Miller shut the bulls down (defensively) all by himself? when? "That might have been the dumbest thing ive ever seen."

[Andrew]

That might have been the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

That would mean you don't see your posts after you type them.

Guys, you're starting to head towards a flame. Please keep the arguments on topic, and refrain from making comments personal. Thanks.

[Shep]

c'mon andrew, its a discussion that scubilete is contributing to...its bound to head towards a flame war...

[Andrew]

Sorry, but that sort of comment is out of line, as it certainly doesn't help keep peace in the forum.