Dream Team vs The best of today, who would win?

Thats right. Stock was injured, but he played in a handfull of games (like 3 or 4). I dont think it was a broken leg tho...

I think he slightly broke his leg but nothing too severe though.

No one replaced Stock on the original Dream Team, but I believe he only appeared in 4 games during the tournament.

dream team wins this one. i think its a no brainer. the only edge the current best has on the dream team is athleticism and perhaps strength/conditioning (due to technology, supplements, etc). but what the dream team 'lacked' in those departments, they more then made it up for with their experience, great understanding of the game, and craftiness

with the exception of maybe pippen & drexler (plus the chump from duke), every player on the dream team roster are first ballot hall of famers. and when that dream team was formed back in '92, they were already all hall of fame material at the time. also isiah thomas was left off the team, one of the game's greatest PG.

perhaps you can debate the bench of the dream team could take on the nba's current best. OT- one of the most amazing things i saw: went to the bulls game against the warriors back in the run TMC days. i had courtside seats and watched Chris Mullin warmup and not miss one single shot. simply amazing

anyway, i'm not saying the nba's current best are a bunch of slouches, but i think they would be outmatched by the dream team.

If Malone's a choker, then KG is much worse since Malone has at least made it past the first round unlike KG. Also, Malone did have a few good games in the Finals against Chicago that most people overlook (Game 3, 4 97 and Game 5 98). Finally, against MJ in his prime, most people would look like chokers. Also, Malone played very well in the conference playoffs against other teams (like the Lakers, Spurs, and Rockets).

yes but KG had no help.
Malone had one of the best pg's ever.
and also Malone is dirty lol, and got away with a lot down in the post.

And im pretty sure with Spree,Cassel,Wally and candiman,hudson............im pretty sure KG will make it past the 1st rnd.

You're right about Malone having help, but he also had to play tougher teams than Garnett has had to. Also, I don't think that the Wolves will make it past the first round this year because the only team out of the big four they could have beaten was Dallas and with Jamison on the Mavs, I don't think the Wolves have enough to take out Dallas.

Are we talking about their history or at the moment they were the dream team?

If we are talking about the moment they were dream team, no doubt today's players would win, the good thing about the dream team was having Magic playing with Bird & Jordan, something he didn't do usually as being a west conf. player. However, Magic was already retired and Bird's career was coming to an end, meaning those 2 were not at their best. You can't mentioned what they did before they were Dream team cause that's not part of it.

Current best:
Shaq
Duncan
KG
Ko-be
Kidd
Iverson
T-Mac
Dirk
Jermaine Oneal
Webber
Payton
Ben Wallace
And of course they would be matched up with the Original dream team:
Barkley
Jordan
Malone
Mullin
Drexler
Ewing
Pip
Robinson
Larry legend
Magic
Laettner (lol)
Stock

However, I would use Carter instead of Ben.

No match for today's players. (bold any match won by the Dream Team)

Shaq is the best center in decades (obviously Shaq over Patrick),
nobody can stop Duncan (Duncan over Malone),
KG is probably the most complete player ever (KG over Barkley),
Kobe would rape MJ easily &
J-Kidd is too fast for a retired Magic.
Those were against my real starters.

Iverson over Drexler (that's the answer),
T-mac over Pippen (a good match but T-mac is too much),
Payton over Stockton (easily),
Dirk over Mullin (no comment),
Webber over Laettner (completely),
Robinson over J.O'Neal (abuse),
Bird over Vince (for sure)

i think duncan is the only player better than whatever counterpart pf the dream team can throw at hmi, the rest i'd probably have to give to the dream team save maybe shaq/admiral. sure, shaq was taken apart by keem early on, but that was when he was "little". now he's 335. yikes.

Why is everyone putting KG on the small forward position??? He is a PF not a SF! Anyways the current team TD, KG(PF), T-MAC, KOBE, and KIDD would win this matchup. IMO in the era of MJ, Bird the defense wasn't that good unlike now were players like kobe, td have to train well to last for a season.

Lol! And I thought your post in the spree thread was dumb

Shaq is the best center in decades

This I do agree with, But Ewing would force shaq to guard his Baseline J and that would open things up for Barkley, Malone and MJ to post up.

nobody can stop Duncan

And I doubt anyone would be able to stop Malone in 1992. I cant be bothered re typing it, so ill just quote myself: "Tim Duncan has the height, but malone has the strength and quickness. Duncan is more fundamentally sound, Karl Malone is more feirce. But, these players are incredibly well schooled and some will say boring. But fuck that, they are the 2 best power forwards of all time. Some could say Duncan is better, becuase he has 2 rings. But he never had to go through MJ. "

KG is probably the most complete player ever

Lol! More complete than Oscar Robertson who averaged a triple double in a season? lol ... thats all i can say...lol

Kobe would rape MJ easily

No no, MJ isnt a 19 year old girl...

J-Kidd is too fast for a retired Magic

Jason Kidd maybe faster, but every other fascet of Jason Kidds game is inferior than Magics.

Iverson over Drexler (that's the answer),

You sound like Mike Davis when you say that

Payton over Stockton

Individually? yes. In a team concept? no.

Dirk over Mullin (no comment),

Lol, that was a good explanation

Lol! And I thought your post in the spree thread was dumb

Shaq is the best center in decades

This I do agree with, But Ewing would force shaq to guard his Baseline J and that would open things up for Barkley, Malone and MJ to post up.

nobody can stop Duncan

And I doubt anyone would be able to stop Malone in 1992. I cant be bothered re typing it, so ill just quote myself: "Tim Duncan has the height, but malone has the strength and quickness. Duncan is more fundamentally sound, Karl Malone is more feirce. But, these players are incredibly well schooled and some will say boring. But fuck that, they are the 2 best power forwards of all time. Some could say Duncan is better, becuase he has 2 rings. But he never had to go through MJ. "

KG is probably the most complete player ever

Lol! More complete than Oscar Robertson who averaged a triple double in a season? lol ... thats all i can say...lol

Kobe would rape MJ easily

No no, MJ isnt a 19 year old girl...

J-Kidd is too fast for a retired Magic

Jason Kidd maybe faster, but every other fascet of Jason Kidds game is inferior than Magics.

Iverson over Drexler (that's the answer),

You sound like Mike Davis when you say that

Payton over Stockton

Individually? yes. In a team concept? no.

Dirk over Mullin (no comment),

Lol, that was a good explanation

LOL, it's funny cause it's true, especially the Kobe gag.

Kobe would rape MJ easily

no way would kobe rape MJ.. as great as an offensive player kobe is, i really do not think he would have his way w/ MJ.. MJ is no slouch on defense and his intensity would not allow kobe to dominate nor beat him.

And I doubt anyone would be able to stop Malone in 1992.

Actually Malone was great in 92, especially abusing of any PF who at that time was just 6-9, 6-10, Malone always had trouble facing Shawn Kemp, Kevin Willis, Otis Thorpe, and if you wanted to stop him, just had to throw a center at him or bigger guy (Malone was/is not that good facing bigger guys like Duncan), he didn't have many options, I doubt you have that in mind.

Tim Duncan has the height, but malone has the strength and quickness.

I don't think Duncan is that soft, however Malone strength & fierce would be an offensive foul in these days just like Shaq is unable to use those so often.

Some could say Duncan is better, becuase he has 2 rings. But he never had to go through MJ.

Some would say MJ didn't want to meet Duncan in the Finals, he he he, for some/same reason MJ didn't even make the playoffs last year.

Lol! More complete than Oscar Robertson who averaged a triple double in a season? lol ... thats all i can say...lol

Oscar averaged a triple double in a season, how many shot blocks he had?, how many steals he had?, Look at it this way, KG dominates every area of the game (that's being complete), you wouldn't ever see Big O blocking shots (who blocked 4 shots in his last year) and don't even mention the positions cause it's not KG job to steal balls/give assists.

Jason Kidd maybe faster, but every other fascet of Jason Kidds game is inferior than Magics.

For the same reason I asked if you were talking about their history or about the 92 season. Magic wasn't even in shape when he went to the olympics, he didn't lead the team in steals nor assists, they were just having fun there but that doesn't mean Magic was at his best.

You sound like Mike Davis when you say that

I'm sorry, I don't know who that is,

Why is everyone putting KG on the small forward position???

That's usually the position KG plays in the all-stars (meaning when he's having Duncan on his side like this case)

i really do not think he would have his way w/ MJ

No, he wouldn't have his way, that's why it is rape, non consensual.

MJ is no slouch on defense and his intensity would not allow kobe to dominate nor beat him.

Actually, Kobe scored 42 in the first half last time they faced . Yeah, I agree that was not the 92 MJ but somehow was a much more experienced MJ who was not supposed to get thru that.

Actually Malone was great in 92, especially abusing of any PF who at that time was just 6-9, 6-10, Malone always had trouble facing Shawn Kemp, Kevin Willis, Otis Thorpe, and if you wanted to stop him, just had to throw a center at him or bigger guy (Malone was/is not that good facing bigger guys like Duncan), he didn't have many options, I doubt you have that in mind.

Er, he struggled against centres? What about in 98? The Spurs were demolished in the 2nd round by the jazz. That was an older Malone and he wasnt as quick as he was in 92. As for "he didnt many options", i disagree. He was a strong post player, his jumper was comming along and he could defend well becuase he uses his strength to his advantage.

I don't think Duncan is that soft

Lol I never said Duncan is soft. Karl Malone is one of the strongest guys in league history. Thats not saying duncan is soft, its just saying he isnt as strong as the mailman.

Some would say MJ didn't want to meet Duncan in the Finals, he he he, for some/same reason MJ didn't even make the playoffs last year.

Some would say you're a dickhead.

Oscar averaged a triple double in a season, how many shot blocks he had?, how many steals he had

Lol you spastic They didnt record Blocks or steals in that season!
lol

you wouldn't ever see Big O blocking shots (who blocked 4 shots in his last year)and don't even mention the positions cause it's not KG job to steal balls/give assists.

Thats right, his final season, where his athleticism was probably well on its way down. And it may not be KG's job to give assists but lets have a look at kg's first seasons stats (seeing you want to bring up oscar's last seasons blocks)
Only 1.8? Doesnt sound like a complete player to me

For the same reason I asked if you were talking about their history or about the 92 season. Magic wasn't even in shape when he went to the olympics, he didn't lead the team in steals nor assists, they were just having fun there but that doesn't mean Magic was at his best.

Even an aid riddled Magic is better than Jason Kidd. We're not talking about a magic from 96, we're talking about the same magic who won the all star game mvp in 92.

Actually, Kobe scored 42 in the first half last time they faced . Yeah, I agree that was not the 92 MJ but somehow was a much more experienced MJ who was not supposed to get thru that.

Actually, Kobe scored most of his points on Byron Russell. And the mj in 92 was far superior to that of the mj in 2003.

Just a friendly reminder for both of you to keep the discussion basketball orientated and to steer clear of making the comments personal. Thanks.

i really do not think he would have his way w/ MJ

No, he wouldn't have his way, that's why it is rape, non consensual.

you know what i was trying to say so try staying on-topic and be a little bit more mature[/quote]

Er, he struggled against centres? What about in 98? The Spurs were demolished in the 2nd round by the jazz. That was an older Malone and he wasnt as quick as he was in 92. As for "he didnt many options", i disagree. He was a strong post player, his jumper was comming along and he could defend well becuase he uses his strength to his advantage.

Thanks for pointing that out. Most people conveniently forget how Malone single handedly took out Robinson and Duncan in 98. Also, I think some of you guys need to watch the other Dream Teamers play in their primes, or even in 1992, to realize how good those guys were.

Payton over Stockton (easily),

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Taking a Payton (35 yrs old and past his prime) over John Stockton in his prime. I recommend watching Stockton play in the early 90's so you can see just how good he was.

Er, he struggled against centres? What about in 98? The Spurs were demolished in the 2nd round by the jazz... That was an older Malone and he wasnt as quick as he was in 92.

Exactly, that was an older Malone & MVP as well. Malone was not facing Shawn Kemp & Otis Thorpe 4-5 times a season anymore. Besides that, remember in 92 he was not the MVP, it was Barkley kicking Malone's ass there. I don't think you forgot that,

Some would say you're a dickhead.

Yeah I know, those who see the same shape when they look at their mirror, .

And it may not be KG's job to give assists but lets have a look at kg's first seasons stats (seeing you want to bring up oscar's last seasons blocks)

Especially when Oscar doesn't have anything to do in this argument, you brought him up as the most complete player, if blocks & steals were not recorded while he was in his best, that's not my problem. Now you want to say KG is not the most complete player in the league, that's your own opinion, just keep it that way, I'll keep mine.

we're talking about the same magic who won the all star game mvp in 92.

Magic won that trophy cause of his 3pt shooting, he scored around (3) 3pts in the last period and finished with 22 pts I believe, Drexler had a much better overall game but it was Magic's night so they let him have the trophy.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Taking a Payton (35 yrs old and past his prime) over John Stockton in his prime.

A Payton (35 yrs old & past his prime?), we are talking about a guy who is still giving 8-9 assists per game and scoring 20+ every game, . John Stockton in his prime was never as good as Payton, he's just good distributing the ball, he never was a 20+ ppg player and what he did best (assists), Payton does it as well. Steals, Payton does steal around 2 steals per game, so there's not much to think about this comparison.

Watch him play in the early 90s?, ha!!!!, the guys dominating the early 90s were KJ & Hardaway, Payton was a kid and Stockton was just passing the ball.

Also, I think some of you guys need to watch the other Dream Teamers play in their primes, or even in 1992, to realize how good those guys were.

That's the case, you are talking about a team with 1 rookie & 2 handicaps, they were good 2-3 years before that, the fact they took other countries teams and demolished them, is not cause of how good they were playing but cause other teams were just amazed of watching those players together. Brazil was the only team who decided not to ask for their autographs cause that's what all other teams' players were doing, they were more fans than competitors.

I'm not trying to take anything from that team, but if you remember the comments from other teams players, you would know what I'm talking about.

An example? Let's see Shaq facing Olajuwon in the Finals, Shaq came with comments like Olajuwon was his idol and he had done something really fool to ask for his autograph few years ago, what happened next? Shaq got swept the worst way ever seen, with a healthy team.

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stockton vs payton i agree with the utah old-schoolers. a point guard's number one job is distribution and stock was and is the best distributor ever. 20 points is not a prequisite for the point, some would say it is even a hindrance since it's the point's job to be unselfish. hence ai became a sg.

as for duncan vs malone, i watched the old malone and he is admittedly great,. but i prefer duncan.

per the argument about duncan never having to go through jordan, thats true, but duncan did have to go through shaq and kobe and thats no easy task either. duncan is the only known player in the modern age to have an effect on present-day shaq defensively and offensively so i presume he could effect the mailman likewise.

Exactly, that was an older Malone & MVP as well.

Malone wasnt mvp in 98...

Besides that, remember in 92 he was not the MVP, it was Barkley kicking Malone's ass there

Hm, Barkley wasnt the mvp in 92 if thats what u mean. And in 92, barkley was in philly, so they only played twice a season..."I don't think you forgot that"

Especially when Oscar doesn't have anything to do in this argument

I brought him up when you said KG was the most complete player in NBA history. and seeing oscar is a part of the leagues history, he was entitled to be entered into that discussion. It's not as if i said "oscar would beat kg in their matchup", i just said he is more complete than kg, as the numbers indicate.

Magic won that trophy cause of his 3pt shooting, he scored around (3) 3pts in the last period and finished with 22 pts I believe, Drexler had a much better overall game but it was Magic's night so they let him have the trophy

For starters he finished with 25 points. Second of all he shot 9-12, so he wasnt just a 3 point shooter and he racked up more assists. You cant try and discount what magic did that game as just "3pt shooting"

Stockton was just passing the ball.

Hmm... 15.8 ppg, 13.7 assists per game and nearly 3 steals a game. If KJ and Timmy were dominating, why werent they selected to the dream team and stockon was?

I'm not trying to take anything from that team, but if you remember the comments from other teams players, you would know what I'm talking about.

An example? Let's see Shaq facing Olajuwon in the Finals, Shaq came with comments like Olajuwon was his idol and he had done something really fool to ask for his autograph few years ago, what happened next? Shaq got swept the worst way ever seen, with a healthy team.

Hakeem was on a rampage that playoffs. He took David Robinsons heart out the series before as well. Even if the opposing nations hated the dream team, they wouldve probably been beaten more becuase the greatest team assembled in team sports history was going easy on them, and that wouldve changed if the games were heated...

If KJ and Timmy were dominating, why werent they selected to the dream team and stockon was?

Why did they select Bird & Magic to play in that team, if those were not the players dominating?

You cant try and discount what magic did that game as just "3pt shooting"

I'm not trying to discount whatever Magic did, he got few 3pts in the last 2-3 mins, kinda desperate to be the leader, that's all I'm saying. You don't shoot 3pts in the last minute if you are up by 30, the only reason why he did it was to be the top leader.

Even if the opposing nations hated the dream team, they wouldve probably been beaten more becuase the greatest team assembled in team sports history was going easy on them, and that wouldve changed if the games were heated...

They would've been beaten but not by that margin, Brazil took the dream team and won the first half, the only time the dream team felt scared of losing, that's when they started playing physically. Last year was another Dream Team, wasn't it?, did they win?, no. You respect your opponents, don't idolize them.

I brought him up when you said KG was the most complete player in NBA history.

Let me see.

KG is probably the most complete player ever (KG over Barkley)

Ohhhh well, I'm sorry, are you trying to change the context of whatever I type?

And in 92, barkley was in philly, so they only played twice a season..."I don't think you forgot that"

The seasons are part of one year & part of the other, I don't think you forgot that,

For starters he finished with 25 points. Second of all he shot 9-12, so he wasnt just a 3 point shooter and he racked up more assists.

lol. Yeah

He had 25 points (9-12 FG), 9 assists, with two unforgivable plays at the final of the game (2 consecutive 3 pointers with Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan defending him). West won clearly by 40 (153-113), the second biggest difference in All-Star, and the second time that a team won by 40 points or more.

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as for duncan vs malone, i watched the old malone and he is admittedly great,. but i prefer duncan.

I know, Malone was a beast, completely great, but when you watch Duncan play (like you already agreed), you know well there's not that much anyone can do to make Duncan feel ridiculous.

Why did they select Bird & Magic to play in that team, if those were not the players dominating?

Becuase they were still forces. They may not have been in their own personal primes, but they were still the best at their positions in the league which is saying alot.

I'm not trying to discount whatever Magic did

You were by making out that all he did in that game was knock down a couple of threes and that alone won the mvp. You didnt mention his good shooting or assists so it did look like u were trying to discount it...

They would've been beaten but not by that margin, Brazil took the dream team and won the first half, the only time the dream team felt scared of losing, that's when they started playing physically

You just proved my point that the dream team had gears and they stepped it up when they needed to. Other teams knew that so not all of them went hard at the dream team. Look at brazil when they did...

Last year was another Dream Team, wasn't it?, did they win?, no

Last years team was not a dream team.

Ohhhh well, I'm sorry, are you trying to change the context of whatever I type

Lol you still thought kg was more complete than oscar and tried to argue you that with me..

The seasons are part of one year & part of the other, I don't think you forgot that

Lol.. you idiot

He had 25 points (9-12 FG), 9 assists, with two unforgivable plays at the final of the game (2 consecutive 3 pointers with Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan defending him). West won clearly by 40 (153-113), the second biggest difference in All-Star, and the second time that a team won by 40 points or more.

Hmmm u talk about me taking you out of context, i said he wasnt just a 3 point shooter. I know he made those shots, and they were great to watch. but he did other things too, like i said.

but they were still the best at their positions in the league which is saying alot.

, now that's funny. Are you saying that 2 handicaps/injured players were still the best at their positions in the league, lol. For your info, they were trying to combine the best players from the last decade, Magic wasn't even supposed to play there but he asked the league to let him play so he could represent those with AIDS.

That also answers your question of why KJ/Tim Hardaway were not selected for that team, last decade is the answer. Remember this year people were talking about whether or not Isiah had any objections with MJ playing in the All-Stars?, that was cause back in 92, Thomas was supposed to be part of that Dream Team and MJ didn't want him. In that case, we wouldn't have seen Stockton playing there but Thomas. I think that's more than a good explanation for you.

You were by making out that all he did in that game was knock down a couple of threes and that alone won the mvp. You didnt mention his good shooting or assists so it did look like u were trying to discount it...

1st Remember I'm a Magic Johnson fan. 2nd I'm just telling you the truth. 3rd His good shooting or assists wouldn't make him the AS MVP, why? Let's look at the stats with 1 min to go.

Drexler (27 mins, 10-15 FG, 9 rebs, 6 assts, 22 pts)
Magic (28 mins, 7-10 FG, 4-4 FT, 5 rebs, 9 assts, 19 pts)

There you have, Magic knew he needed to score more than Drexler in order to get the AS MVP, I do believe he would have gotten that award without having to, but knowing MJ didn't get it last season, I don't consider the league would have make an exception with Magic either.

I already posted the comment copied from the site, Magic scored 2 3pts in the last minute in order to get that AS MVP, and that was part of his desperation knowing he needed a better performance. It's not that all he did was shoot 3pts but if he wouldn't have shot/hit those, I doubt he would have got the award.

You just proved my point that the dream team had gears and they stepped it up when they needed to. Other teams knew that so not all of them went hard at the dream team. Look at brazil when they did...

I'm not saying that was a bad team, all I'm telling you is that their rivals were just admiring them. The only team who got to court decided to face them was Brazil, all others were just playing a fool basketball watching those guys dunk and steal their balls, lol. There was one time the Dream team did make a 4 player against none run, you can't consider there was competition there. And it is not that their level was too much but the opponents were just watching them play, they were amazed that these guys were playing in the same arena they were, they didn't play the Dream Team to humiliate them but just a plain & weak basketball, Brazil was the only team I saw playing hard like they wanted some, & they did get respect for doing that.

Last years team was not a dream team.

Actually they were, the definition of the dream team is a team composed by 11 professionals players & 1 coming from college as they were, so even if you think they were crashed & demolished by others, that was some kind of Dream Team.

you still thought kg was more complete than oscar and tried to argue you that with me.

Actually I am, there's nothing more to argue, KG is the most complete player you might ever see, period. One season averaging triple double, lol, that's really nice but yet he didn't average a triple double in his whole career. KG is having the most amazing career for a complete player after Olajuwon. Remember, career.

Lol.. you idiot

Actually, I'm trying to avoid comments like those, I would appreciate if you do too. I already took your "dickhead" comment as a joke, but just try not to cross the line.

i said he wasnt just a 3 point shooter. I know he made those shots, and they were great to watch. but he did other things too, like i said.

Well, that was a quote like it was stated. It was copied from a site & it said exactly how Magic got his 25 pts. Just wanted to remark that what I'm saying is not that Magic only got 3pts, but he had to shoot those in the last minute to get the award. Nobody up by 30 gets to shoot 3s in a real game, he knew he needed those.

if anyone's the most complete player ever i'd have to say magic or robertson or even mj (30 something 8 and 8 in a season? wow). i'd probably put duncan over kg as well because duncan does everything well, and isnt that the definition of complete? theres a reason td's nicked mr fundemental and kg isnt. but kg has that wierd and unique body and if you mean complete talent-wise and athletic-ability-wise than kg is definetely way up there, and he's still way up there even if you dont. i just dont think he was the most.

30 something 8 and 8 in a season? wow

, one season. If a player were assigned the most complete ever for having a good season, then we would have around 60 most complete players ever.

i'd probably put duncan over kg as well because duncan does everything well

Yeah, You would finish putting Mark Madsen over KG as well, Madsen does everything well.

and isnt that the definition of complete?

Do you think that being complete is to do things well?, lol. There's a bunch of guys who do everything well as well, so all of them are the most complete players?

Even if that was the right definition, Duncan needs to develop his vision to find open teammates, especially when we all know he is double teammed most of the times, meaning there's an open guy. His average of assists is low for a player who gets so many double teams & avg. of turnovers for the same reason is high. That's just to show you Duncan does almost everything well, but not everything.

theres a reason td's nicked mr fundemental and kg isnt.

Yeah, and you think that reason is?

Mr. Fundamental means class, style, technique. Duncan went to college, KG didn't. Well, that's in case you didn't know the reason why TD is nicked mr. fundamental, his style of playing the basketball is the reason why he's nicked like that, don't try to tell me it is cause he can do everything well, also that's not the definition of being complete.

but kg has that wierd and unique body and if you mean complete talent-wise and athletic-ability-wise than kg is definetely way up there

No, it is meant in stats, plus KG is more versatile. Look at the efficiency of them as well.

and he's still way up there even if you dont. i just dont think he was the most.

I'll tell you what, in the case you checked the efficiency of KG & TD, checked the formula, I would have to tell you their efficiency was nothing compared with Wilt's. However you won't ever see a player like Wilt and calling someone the most complete wouldn't affect him cause at that time the blocks & steals were not recorded.

But, for you to try to discard the posibilities of a player (who is effective in all areas of the game like KG is) being the most complete, it's called ignorance. KG does dominate the whole game & all the areas, he just showed us he's effective passing the ball, he gets steals, he can block shots, he can score, he takes as many rebs as the best. That's what made Olajuwon so great, that's what made Pippen a complete player, at this moment others can do 4 of those stats as good as he does but they would miss in one, hopefully that's more than clear to you and whoever else who has doubts.