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i 100% sure that Wade is the best player in the league right now, if not, prove it!

He's the best player in the league based on what? That he averages 1 more ppg than lebron and kobe?

For god sake its not about best player... its about most valuable player to his team !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it would be best player jordan would have won mvp awards all the faking year except in wizards...

Big Green , yeah, stats and ability to win game in clutch situations in the 4-th quarter, while LBJ and Kobe sits and rest on bench, when their teams wins without them.

Prev, i now that, and i'm talking about value, Wade has more Value for the heat that Bron and Kobe for their teams!

LeBron and Kobe sit and rest because their teams are up by 15 points. Wade has to stay out there.

i 100% sure that Wade is the best player in the league right now, if not, prove it!

Prove that he is, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You can't just state your opinions and fact and challenge people to disprove them, you've got to prove your point too.

Big Green , yeah, stats and ability to win game in clutch situations in the 4-th quarter, while LBJ and Kobe sits and rest on bench, when their teams wins without them.

They sit because their teams have the game well in hand, thanks in no small part to their performance through the first three quarters which has put their team so far out in front in the first place. It's not like they're better off without them in the lineup or didn't need them to get that big lead in the first place. In fact, you could go the other way and suggest that Kobe and LeBron can win a game in only three quarters whereas it takes Wade all the way down to the waning minutes to get the win though that's not a particularly fair assessment either.

Wade is undisputably the most important and valuable player to the Heat and really stands out as such because he's a lone star on a team whose roster has some up and coming players and the potential to get better in the coming years but for now is largely mediocre from top to bottom. That makes any star player on a lousy to mediocre team the MVP by default, because they really don't have anyone else who can come close to playing at a high level in the NBA (at least for now). It's a standout performance, no question, but it stands out even more because no one else on the team is close to being that good or capable of handling the premier role.

If we're going to base the MVP on how a team fares (or would fare) without their star, you might as well give the MVP to Gilbert Arenas. The Wizards are 15-50 without him this year.

i 100% sure that Wade is the best player in the league right now, if not, prove it!

Prove that he is, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You can't just state your opinions and fact and challenge people to disprove them, you've got to prove your point too.

okay, i tired to wright another useless essey, so i think stats should be enought so far, but everything can change

Big Green , yeah, stats and ability to win game in clutch situations in the 4-th quarter, while LBJ and Kobe sits and rest on bench, when their teams wins without them.

They sit because their teams have the game well in hand, thanks in no small part to their performance through the first three quarters which has put their team so far out in front in the first place. It's not like they're better off without them in the lineup or didn't need them to get that big lead in the first place. In fact, you could go the other way and suggest that Kobe and LeBron can win a game in only three quarters whereas it takes Wade all the way down to the waning minutes to get the win though that's not a particularly fair assessment either.

Wade is undisputably the most important and valuable player to the Heat and really stands out as such because he's a lone star on a team whose roster has some up and coming players and the potential to get better in the coming years but for now is largely mediocre from top to bottom. That makes any star player on a lousy to mediocre team the MVP by default, because they really don't have anyone else who can come close to playing at a high level in the NBA (at least for now). It's a standout performance, no question, but it stands out even more because no one else on the team is close to being that good or capable of handling the premier role.

you see, kobe sits, LBJ sits teams winning without them, so those team are strong enought, but Wade have to play all the time to win, and his team can't breath without him!

^^^ Haha, i gotta agree with Andrew's Arenas statement there.
I agree with the guy in the video(don't know name, sorry) how he said that Wade is "Valuable" to his team, and how without him, they're nothing, thus meaning that he deserves it most.
The thing is, last season, LeBron was in a similar state as Wade. He didn't have a player like Mo Williams, who can become a second scorer and the Cavs were like 0-8 when LeBron didn't play, just showing how valuable he was and still is to the Cavs.
It would be a good thing if Wade wins it this season, then people can change their perspective of what can make a player worthy enough of the MVP award, not to just be on a team with a good enough record.

th guy's name is Rashad Ahmad - one of the premier NBA analysts!

you see, kobe sits, LBJ sits teams winning without them, so those team are strong enought, but Wade have to play all the time to win, and his team can't breath without him!

I'm sorry, but that's so ridiculously absurd and fanboyish that I a) have to pull out a term I hate like fanboy and b) have to post this video:

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You're missing the point entirely. If they sit out an entire fourth quarter, it's because their team is winning by a huge margin by the end of the third. That gives them a chance to rest and if the team doesn't blow that big lead - which they aren't likely to do if the opponent is playing that poorly to begin with or has called it a game and sent in their deep bench too - then they get a break. If the Heat weren't mediocre aside from Wade, he'd be doing the same thing and a couple of years ago, when the Heat were atop the East, that's what would happen. And as I said, the fact that Kobe and LeBron's teams are winning big at the end of the third quarter is usually thanks in no small part to their impressive play through the first three quarters.

Just because Wade is currently in a situation where he has to carry the team like that doesn't make him better, especially since Kobe and LeBron have been in similar situations in recent years and done just as good a job of it, or better. No one's denying Wade is playing fantastic basketball and is keeping the Heat afloat. But to put him way above Kobe and LeBron as you are is unbelievably homerish.

th guy's name is Rashad Ahmad - one of the premier NBA analysts!

Ahmad Rashad, actually.

you see, kobe sits, LBJ sits teams winning without them, so those team are strong enought, but Wade have to play all the time to win, and his team can't breath without him!

I'm sorry, but that's so ridiculously absurd and fanboyish that I a) have to pull out a term I hate like fanboy and b) have to post this video:

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You're missing the point entirely. If they sit out an entire fourth quarter, it's because their team is winning by a huge margin by the end of the third. That gives them a chance to rest and if the team doesn't blow that big lead - which they aren't likely to do if the opponent is playing that poorly to begin with or has called it a game and sent in their deep bench too - then they get a break. If the Heat weren't mediocre aside from Wade, he'd be doing the same thing and a couple of years ago, when the Heat were atop the East, that's what would happen. And as I said, the fact that Kobe and LeBron's teams are winning big at the end of the third quarter is usually thanks in no small part to their impressive play through the first three quarters.

okay, this is a different point of view! if heat had Shaq this season, Wade wouldn't be so valuable as he is right now, that is main criteria!

th guy's name is Rashad Ahmad - one of the premier NBA analysts!

Ahmad Rashad, actually.

this is a black hole in English language and manner of name, surname calling. in Russia and some European, Asia countries you can always understand where is man's name, and where is sur name, and in official documents we always wright second name first.
example: my name is Daniel Gudkov, Gudkov Daniel doesn't mean that ny first name is Gudkov. almost every european will laught on that! Rashad Hamad, Ahman Rashad -

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I agree that wade is most valuable player of those three (lebron ,kobe , wade) Cause without him heat would be at 15 wins like last season or so... what would lakers do without kobe? They would have a record like heat has at the moment,same about cavs... and james with kobe can sit on 4th qt cause theyr team players/coaches w/e is better than heat is... thats why wade must play all the time.And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

this is a black hole in English language and manner of name, surname calling. in Russia and some European, Asia countries you can always understand where is man's name, and where is sur name, and in official documents we always wright second name first.
example: my name is Daniel Gudkov, Gudkov Daniel doesn't mean that ny first name is Gudkov. almost every european will laught on that! Rashad Hamad, Ahman Rashad -

That's fine and interesting to know, but the fact remains Ahmad Rashard is not Russian and does not write his name that way. And if you are going to write names that way despite how the person themselves not doing so, why don't you refer to Dwyane Wade as Wade Dwyane? Just curious.

And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

I didn't actually say that. I said that Kobe and LeBron's dominant play in many of these blowouts largely contribute to the fact the teams are up by double digits heading into the fourth (such as kobe's 61 point game against the Knicks, where he was pushing 50 by the end of the third) and with a lead like that, they don't need to play. That doesn't make Wade better at it, just because Kobe and LeBron haven't had to do it so often this year. What about Kobe scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Rockets to give the Lakers the win in their latest game?

I agree that wade is most valuable player of those three (lebron ,kobe , wade) Cause without him heat would be at 15 wins like last season or so... what would lakers do without kobe? They would have a record like heat has at the moment,same about cavs... and james with kobe can sit on 4th qt cause theyr team players/coaches w/e is better than heat is... thats why wade must play all the time.And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

you right 100%

Andrew, yeah, let's leave this subject alone already! great discussion, man!

this is a black hole in English language and manner of name, surname calling. in Russia and some European, Asia countries you can always understand where is man's name, and where is sur name, and in official documents we always wright second name first.
example: my name is Daniel Gudkov, Gudkov Daniel doesn't mean that ny first name is Gudkov. almost every european will laught on that! Rashad Hamad, Ahman Rashad -

That's fine and interesting to know, but the fact remains Ahmad Rashard is not Russian and does not write his name that way. And if you are going to write names that way despite how the person themselves not doing so, why don't you refer to Dwyane Wade as Wade Dwyane? Just curious.

And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

I didn't actually say that. I said that Kobe and LeBron's dominant play in many of these blowouts largely contribute to the fact the teams are up by double digits heading into the fourth (such as kobe's 61 point game against the Knicks, where he was pushing 50 by the end of the third) and with a lead like that, they don't need to play. That doesn't make Wade better at it, just because Kobe and LeBron haven't had to do it so often this year. What about Kobe scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Rockets to give the Lakers the win in their latest game?

What about wade scoring 40 or more points in 4 games from 5they played?Yes i agree that kobe or james can sit in 4th because they score 50 pts in first 3 qts but if wade would score 50pts or so in first 3qts you think he will be able to sit in 4th? No he would play all 4th qt cause his team is too weak to win the game without wade even if it was 15 or 20points lead when wade went to bench...

No one's saying Wade isn't a great player or denying these accomplishments but he's seemingly made out to be doing something that Kobe and LeBron are supposedly incapable of doing or haven't done, which just isn't the case because they did those things when they were on weaker teams. Simply being a star on a weaker team does not automatically make you the clear cut choice to be MVP. If that's the case then there's a few other players we should toss out there for consideration this year and several we can make a case for retroactively looking back at past MVP winners.

I don't think Wade would necessarily have to come back into the game, it'd give him a chance to catch a breath at the beginning of the fourth and if the other team didn't make a run - and if they're down 20 to the Heat heading into the fourth they're likely not playing well or a much weaker team to begin with - then there'd be no reason for him to go back in. Also, the Lakers and Cavs aren't immune to such collapses, Kobe and LeBron certainly do go back in sometimes to stop an opponent's run.

But again, I'm not denying Wade's abilities or accomplishments. I'm just saying that it can't fairly be suggested he's doing something Kobe and LeBron cannot do just because they haven't been called upon to do it this season, especially because they've done it before.

okay, this is a different point of view! if heat had Shaq this season, Wade wouldn't be so valuable as he is right now, that is main criteria!

actually no it doesn't make him less valuable, it would just mean that he'll need to do less then what he is doing now for his team to win, and that's the thing for Kobe and Lebron right now..they don't have to do as much for the team, it doesn't make them less valuable to the team. A situation where it's unnecessary for a guy to do all the things he could do doesn't equal to being less valuable.

And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

I didn't actually say that. I said that Kobe and LeBron's dominant play in many of these blowouts largely contribute to the fact the teams are up by double digits heading into the fourth (such as kobe's 61 point game against the Knicks, where he was pushing 50 by the end of the third) and with a lead like that, they don't need to play. That doesn't make Wade better at it, just because Kobe and LeBron haven't had to do it so often this year. What about Kobe scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Rockets to give the Lakers the win in their latest game?

Agreed with Andrew. Adding on to this, the reason why they can sit and rest is because they are able to earn that rest, they dominate in the first 3 and get that lead, then are able to sit out. y'all are saying Wade can't sit out like them cause of the team, that's true, but the fact is, if he was able to make it a 15, 20, 25 point lead by the fourth quarter, any basketball club would be able to hold onto that lead, they are crap, but not that crap...JO is a former all star in his early 30s? young talented Michael Beasley who is a scoring beast (what, 28 in that game off the bench?), 3 point champ Daequan Cook? Moon? Haslem? Chalmers?
The Heat isn't the same crap team it was last season when it won just 15...they made some great additions either through the draft or via trade, and you have to get the record straight, they lost not only Wade last season, they lost quite a few key players to injuries, thats like the Knicks team earlier in the season when they had something like 7 available players for a game? What i am saying is Wade is being seen as "More Valuable" then the other candidates for the MVP award when he isn't, it's just that his situation allows him to be exposed more for the success of his team and seemingly more valuable to his team then say Kobe to his.

you got my point!

okay, this is a different point of view! if heat had Shaq this season, Wade wouldn't be so valuable as he is right now, that is main criteria!

actually no it doesn't make him less valuable, it would just mean that he'll need to do less then what he is doing now for his team to win, and that's the thing for Kobe and Lebron right now..they don't have to do as much for the team, it doesn't make them less valuable to the team. A situation where it's unnecessary for a guy to do all the things he could do doesn't equal to being less valuable.

And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

I didn't actually say that. I said that Kobe and LeBron's dominant play in many of these blowouts largely contribute to the fact the teams are up by double digits heading into the fourth (such as kobe's 61 point game against the Knicks, where he was pushing 50 by the end of the third) and with a lead like that, they don't need to play. That doesn't make Wade better at it, just because Kobe and LeBron haven't had to do it so often this year. What about Kobe scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Rockets to give the Lakers the win in their latest game?

Agreed with Andrew. Adding on to this, the reason why they can sit and rest is because they are able to earn that rest, they dominate in the first 3 and get that lead, then are able to sit out. y'all are saying Wade can't sit out like them cause of the team, that's true, but the fact is, if he was able to make it a 15, 20, 25 point lead by the fourth quarter, any basketball club would be able to hold onto that lead, they are crap, but not that crap...JO is a former all star in his early 30s? young talented Michael Beasley who is a scoring beast (what, 28 in that game off the bench?), 3 point champ Daequan Cook? Moon? Haslem? Chalmers?
The Heat isn't the same crap team it was last season when it won just 15...they made some great additions either through the draft or via trade, and you have to get the record straight, they lost not only Wade last season, they lost quite a few key players to injuries, thats like the Knicks team earlier in the season when they had something like 7 available players for a game? What i am saying is Wade is being seen as "More Valuable" then the other candidates for the MVP award when he isn't, it's just that his situation allows him to be exposed more for the success of his team and seemingly more valuable to his team then say Kobe to his.

Yeah i agree with you... finally person who understands what im trying to say.Anyways heat isnt crap like you said... but team is very young and heat needs time to be more sucesful without wade playing all game long

okay, this is a different point of view! if heat had Shaq this season, Wade wouldn't be so valuable as he is right now, that is main criteria!

actually no it doesn't make him less valuable, it would just mean that he'll need to do less then what he is doing now for his team to win, and that's the thing for Kobe and Lebron right now..they don't have to do as much for the team, it doesn't make them less valuable to the team. A situation where it's unnecessary for a guy to do all the things he could do doesn't equal to being less valuable.

And NO kobe and james dont sit on the bench on 4th qt cause they played amazing on 3th ... they sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont... simple as that.

I didn't actually say that. I said that Kobe and LeBron's dominant play in many of these blowouts largely contribute to the fact the teams are up by double digits heading into the fourth (such as kobe's 61 point game against the Knicks, where he was pushing 50 by the end of the third) and with a lead like that, they don't need to play. That doesn't make Wade better at it, just because Kobe and LeBron haven't had to do it so often this year. What about Kobe scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Rockets to give the Lakers the win in their latest game?

Agreed with Andrew. Adding on to this, the reason why they can sit and rest is because they are able to earn that rest, they dominate in the first 3 and get that lead, then are able to sit out. y'all are saying Wade can't sit out like them cause of the team, that's true, but the fact is, if he was able to make it a 15, 20, 25 point lead by the fourth quarter, any basketball club would be able to hold onto that lead, they are crap, but not that crap...JO is a former all star in his early 30s? young talented Michael Beasley who is a scoring beast (what, 28 in that game off the bench?), 3 point champ Daequan Cook? Moon? Haslem? Chalmers?
The Heat isn't the same crap team it was last season when it won just 15...they made some great additions either through the draft or via trade, and you have to get the record straight, they lost not only Wade last season, they lost quite a few key players to injuries, thats like the Knicks team earlier in the season when they had something like 7 available players for a game? What i am saying is Wade is being seen as "More Valuable" then the other candidates for the MVP award when he isn't, it's just that his situation allows him to be exposed more for the success of his team and seemingly more valuable to his team then say Kobe to his.

Yeah i agree with you... finally person who understands what im trying to say.Anyways heat isnt crap like you said... but team is very young and heat needs time to be more sucesful without wade playing all game long

erm...you said that

sit cause they have players who can keep the lead which was made by them... and heat dont...

and i am saying the heat does have players who can keep a lead made, but because it isn't made 99% of the time for the heat, that's why wade has to always play in the 4th in order to win the game for his team, whereas the other 2 guys are able to create that kind of a lead for their own teams before the 4th, and that kind of a lead, any team in the nba could sustain, the players wouldn't even be in the league if they cannot sustain a large double digit lead with little time remaining...

any team in the nba could sustain, the players wouldn't even be in the league if they cannot sustain a large double digit lead with little time remaining...

Have you heard of the Los Angeles Clippers?

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/tnt_o ... ipoff.nba/

but I really think Lebron will win this year!,but If Wade wins i'll be happy also,but if kobe wins I'll never watch the Lakers games ever again

any team in the nba could sustain, the players wouldn't even be in the league if they cannot sustain a large double digit lead with little time remaining...

Have you heard of the Los Angeles Clippers?

Since when can the Clippers create a double digit lead going into the fourth quarter?

any team in the nba could sustain, the players wouldn't even be in the league if they cannot sustain a large double digit lead with little time remaining...

Have you heard of the Los Angeles Clippers?

Since when can the Clippers create a double digit lead going into the fourth quarter?

if they would play with baron vs wizards maybe ...